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This should be purgatory, and I am sure a host will be along and move it shortly. In the meanwhile, who is Enkis ?
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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You don't know who Enki is? Google him.
This is NOT Purgatory; this is HISTORY.
barnabas62 does not want this kind of data in HIS domain.
Please create a category for HISTORY.
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When a host does move it, can they shorten the links please cos they do horrible things to my screen. Ta muchly ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Doublethink: In the meanwhile, who is Enkis ?
Enki.
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Indeed.
I'm also on dial-up, which is like, pulling onto the freeway when you're on your hands and knees.
I live in the forest, and there is no dsl here.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
You don't know who Enki is? Google him.
This is NOT Purgatory; this is HISTORY.
barnabas62 does not want this kind of data in HIS domain.
Please create a category for HISTORY.
EEWC
Purgatory is board for discussion of topics that don't fit on any of the other boards Emily.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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Doublethink: In the meanwhile, who is Enkis ?
Enki.
Interesting, so entirely different theological tradition then. I don't know much about Sumerian theology.
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ITTWACW......
Ian J.
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Doublethink: Interesting, so entirely different theological tradition then. I don't know much about Sumerian theology.
Neither do I. I'm planning to read the Wikipedia article when I have more time.
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Emily
I've tried to be patient with you but my patience is rapidly running out.
I've explained NUMEROUS times that what you want to post is suitable for the Purgatory boards, but you have paid no attention whatsoever. Others have tried to help as well, but still you choose to ignore friendly advice given by others.
I have also said numerous times that you should read the guidelines for each board to get a feel for what is discussed where. If you had bothered to take that advice, you would know that All Saints is NOT the correct board for this sort of discussion. Do you need me to spell it out for you?
The correct board is Purgatory -that's P U R G A T O R Y
Got it now?
So, what's it to be? Are you going to actually start taking peoples' advice or are you going to be thrown overboard? The choice is yours.
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WHY? Even though Sacred Geometry of the Annunaki underlies the Pyramid system and the cathedral system, Elites have garnered and sequestered this knowledge away from the People.
It's WHY ELITES RULE TODAY, without our consent.
Is this a promotion for a Dan Brown Style novel?
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Anybody care?
I care, if you keep posting stuff like this the plebs might find out and I'll lose my elite ruler status. shhhh ok?
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
The History of the Annunaki who settled this planet with civilization 200 thousand years ago has practically never been told ...
Funny that. Maybe it's because there's no evidence whatsoever that any of it actually happened.
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I know it's giving the H&A's a lot of trouble, but to be honest this is lots of fun, so more power to Emily's elbow I say if she can just post on the right board and not get herself banned. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
It will keep us amused for hours.
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Originally posted by Thyme:
It will keep us amused for hours.
Try minutes and you'll be closer to getting that right.
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
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WHY? Even though Sacred Geometry of the Annunaki underlies the Pyramid system and the cathedral system, Elites have garnered and sequestered this knowledge away from the People.
It's WHY ELITES RULE TODAY, without our consent.
Is this a promotion for a Dan Brown Style novel?
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Anybody care?
I care, if you keep posting stuff like this the plebs might find out and I'll lose my elite ruler status. shhhh ok?
Could be. Dan Brown was on Breakfast this morning. But he is doing Dante rather than Sumerians.
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As all the All Saints Hosts appear to be out and about, I'll move this thread to Purg ... Off we go!
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After reading the hilarious thread in Styx, I was amazed to find this thread here.
Carry on…
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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I've just noticed that there is an Emily E Windsor Cragg on Facebook, who wrote the following a few months ago:
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Please know, I get kicked out of Forums all the time because I confront their dogma: ATS, GLP, BBC, Crows have all decided I'm just "too much" for their boundaries. Facebook is on the cusp of making the same decision, that I'm too dangerous to be here. I realize this. So I'm [sic] participation may indeed be temporary.
If, Emily, this is you (and it certainly looks like it, given the subject matter of that page), then please note that if you refuse to provide something called EVIDENCE for your claims, then you are the one who is promoting dogma. I am personally very happy to discuss this subject with you (assuming I can find the time), if it is done on the basis of evidence and argument. How on earth do you expect us to believe what you are saying, simply on the basis of your say-so??
It really is not being unreasonable to ask for your claims to be supported with just something objective. How about it?
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
It really is not being unreasonable to ask for your claims to be supported with just something objective.
Annunaki of the gaps?
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Ah, if only I could still get in touch with Marduk (whom I first met on GH and then onJREF), he could give us all the links and counter-arguments! He can read Sumerian for a start.
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Komensky
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Maybe Elvis could help?
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Can I put in a claim for Baptist Landmarkism/ Trail of Blood here? That Cathars and the like were really Truly Believing Baptists™ who were exterminated by the Nasty Cruel Catholicses™ (along of course with all the evidence proving they were Truly Believing Baptists™, doubtless aided and abetted by the Enim and the Illuminati)?
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by Croesos
Annunaki of the gaps?
That sounds almost as esoteric as "naturalism of the gaps". ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
If, Emily, this is you (and it certainly looks like it, given the subject matter of that page), then please note that if you refuse to provide something called EVIDENCE for your claims, then you are the one who is promoting dogma. I am personally very happy to discuss this subject with you (assuming I can find the time), if it is done on the basis of evidence and argument. How on earth do you expect us to believe what you are saying, simply on the basis of your say-so??
It really is not being unreasonable to ask for your claims to be supported with just something objective. How about it?
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
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Originally posted by Croesos
Annunaki of the gaps?
That sounds almost as esoteric as "naturalism of the gaps".
If you don't consider naturalistic explanations to be valid, exactly what kind of "evidence" would you find acceptable?
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Nice to hear from Emily again, as here in Alpha Centauri, she has a loyal band of readers. Some of the links are dodgy, as here we are being patched through by our broadband controller on the exo-planet, which you earthlings laughingly call Alpha Centauri Bb. But enough of such badinage.
But we know enough about your Jesus, to realize that with the retirement of Sir Alex, he is one of the most promising football managers around. I say all power to the elbow of Emily! Greetings from the exo-planet laughingly called Alpha Centauri Bb!
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Croesos -
I didn't say that naturalistic explanations were not valid. I was criticising "naturalism of the gaps": assuming that everything has to be explained in accordance with philosophical naturalism (a highly tendentious and ill-defined philosophy) even if that explanation is absurdly improbable.
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Originally posted by The Midge:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
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WHY? Even though Sacred Geometry of the Annunaki underlies the Pyramid system and the cathedral system, Elites have garnered and sequestered this knowledge away from the People.
It's WHY ELITES RULE TODAY, without our consent.
Is this a promotion for a Dan Brown Style novel?
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Anybody care?
I care, if you keep posting stuff like this the plebs might find out and I'll lose my elite ruler status. shhhh ok?
Could be. Dan Brown was on Breakfast this morning. But he is doing Dante rather than Sumerians.
Dan Brown at his worst is more logical than this,.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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This is neither the circus nor heaven - no trolling, no games. Parodies that make no debating point come very close to personal attack / trolling.
You are not obliged to participate in this thread if you don't want to, other boards (including hell) are thataway -->
Doublethink
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
Croesos -
I didn't say that naturalistic explanations were not valid. I was criticising "naturalism of the gaps": assuming that everything has to be explained in accordance with philosophical naturalism (a highly tendentious and ill-defined philosophy) even if that explanation is absurdly improbable.
![[Confused]](confused.gif) So if you accept spectral evidence as valid, what's wrong with the Annunaki postulate?
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EtymologicalEvangelical
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Originally posted by Croesos
So if you accept spectral evidence as valid, what's wrong with the Annunaki postulate?
Nothing's wrong with it IF I accept spectral evidence.
Trouble is though, me old fruit... I don't accept "spectral evidence"!!
Where the blazes did you get that idea from? Or is this just another one of your wild assumptions, of which there have been many in your responses to my posts?
I never realised that logical inference was termed "spectral evidence"!
Now it's my turn to go:
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Crœsos
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Which brings me back to my still unanswered question of what you consider valid evidence? You seem like a "selective naturalist" (not related to "natural selection"), who will require ironclad physical evidence for other people's pet ideas but dismiss any similar scrutiny of their own as "philosophical naturalism".
In short, isn't your request for "evidence" the exact kind of thing you dismiss as the product of "a highly tendentious and ill-defined philosophy" in other contexts?
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quetzalcoatl
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That is the problem with 'supernatural evidence', isn't it? It has no constraints, unless you begin to appeal to naturalism. Thus I have evidence that magical pixie dust is at work in the universe. How can this be falsified? It can't, under a supernatural aegis.
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The history of the Templars only goes back 1000 years
The History of the Jacobian Covenant only goes back 2600 years (Video)
The History of the Annunaki who settled this planet with civilization 200 thousand years ago has practically never been told ...
I find it amusing the way this OP treats Masonic/Templar conspiracy theories as the Establishment narrative that needs to be exposed and debunked by the Annunaki theorists.
Though I suppose with the kind of money and media-attention that Dan Brown garners these days, there are those who might suspect he's the guy running the black helicopters.
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Which Annanuki postulate do you mean, Croesos?
On the consistency argument, many Christians today are quite happy with the methods of Historical criticism and their application to any ancient texts, including those of particular significance to Christians. It seems consistent to me to subject the "Annanuki postulate" (whichever one you are thinking about) to that standard.
Let's take Sitchin's theory. I take it that you're not really surprised by the following observations.
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Sitchin's ideas have been rejected by scientists and academics, who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. His work has been criticized for flawed methodology and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims
Given this thread is about a Shipmate's claims about what constitutes HISTORY, it seems fine to me to argue that, for various critical reasons, the Annanuki extra-terrestrial theories should not be considered as HISTORY unless and until they have been through some form of academic peer review. Based on the Sitchin article, at least one of the Annanuki theories is marked "failed" already.
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Crœsos
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Originally posted by Stetson:
Though I suppose with the kind of money and media-attention that Dan Brown garners these days, there are those who might suspect he's the guy running the black helicopters.
Hey, don't make fun of renowned Dan Brown.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Let's take Sitchin's theory. I take it that you're not really surprised by the following observations.
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Sitchin's ideas have been rejected by scientists and academics, who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. His work has been criticized for flawed methodology and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims
Given this thread is about a Shipmate's claims about what constitutes HISTORY, it seems fine to me to argue that, for various critical reasons, the Annanuki extra-terrestrial theories should not be considered as HISTORY unless and until they have been through some form of academic peer review. Based on the Sitchin article, at least one of the Annanuki theories is marked "failed" already.
Only if you confine yourself to the straightjacket of "philosophical naturalism". There could be some supernatural explanation about why it seems like Sitchin is just making shit up but in fact reality has been warped to conceal the real truth.
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Magic pixie dust fits the bill.
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Can I poke it with a stick through the bars too? Can I? Can I?
God bless you Emily. Really. Which He will. All will be well.
Or is that just too ad hominem Oh Hosts ?
Emily, we'd probably be better off in Hell if you like. It's warmer there. Some of us can try and love you there.
As for the subject, let's assume I completely agree with you 110%, where do we go from here to loving the poor ? To making a difference ? To seeing the future break in to the present ?
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Can I poke it with a stick through the bars too? Can I? Can I?
<Snipping something I hope was sincere>
Or is that just too ad hominem Oh Hosts ?
What do you think, Martin? In what way is this sentence related to the OP?
Answer in the Styx, please.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Let's take Sitchin's theory. I take it that you're not really surprised by the following observations.
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Sitchin's ideas have been rejected by scientists and academics, who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. His work has been criticized for flawed methodology and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims
Given this thread is about a Shipmate's claims about what constitutes HISTORY, it seems fine to me to argue that, for various critical reasons, the Annanuki extra-terrestrial theories should not be considered as HISTORY unless and until they have been through some form of academic peer review. Based on the Sitchin article, at least one of the Annanuki theories is marked "failed" already.
Only if you confine yourself to the straightjacket of "philosophical naturalism". There could be some supernatural explanation about why it seems like Sitchin is just making shit up but in fact reality has been warped to conceal the real truth.
Too binary, Croesos. I don't see philosophical naturalism as a controlling factor in any peer review. If a person of faith and an agnostic, both with the necessary critical expertise, look at a particular hypothesis and the evidence for it and both judge it to be unfounded in their professional opinion, then the hypothesis has failed their peer review. They then take their professional hats off, leave their measured responses behind, go to a pub for a drink and say "well, actually, unfounded may be the professional judgment, but basically, the notion is batshit crazy!", they are doing what people do. Philosophical presuppositions do not determine or confine the results of professional judgments. Personal judgements (in the bar afterwards) are another matter.
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Oh!
I placed the links to evidence in the Annunaki thread.
what I expected to discuss here is how it happens to be that Scriptures only begin 4000 years ago when in scientific fact, the Earth is 3.5 billion years old.
Doesn't make sense to me that Earth, with so many mysterious artifacts, pyramids and hidden cultures, must restrain ourselves to such a short official history.
Any takers?
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Who's saying that the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures constitute the "official history" of the earth? (leaving aside the yeccies, who are looking relatively reasonable at this point ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ).
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Originally posted by EtymologicalEvangelical:
I've just noticed that there is an Emily E Windsor Cragg on Facebook, who wrote the following a few months ago:
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Please know, I get kicked out of Forums all the time because I confront their dogma: ATS, GLP, BBC, Crows have all decided I'm just "too much" for their boundaries. Facebook is on the cusp of making the same decision, that I'm too dangerous to be here. I realize this. So I'm [sic] participation may indeed be temporary.
If,
Emily, this is you (and it certainly looks like it, given the subject matter of that page), then please note that if you refuse to provide something called EVIDENCE for your claims, then you are the one who is promoting dogma. I am personally very happy to discuss this subject with you (assuming I can find the time), if it is done on the basis of evidence and argument. How on earth do you expect us to believe what you are saying, simply on the basis of your say-so??
It really is not being unreasonable to ask for your claims to be supported with just something objective. How about it?
Please check the Annunaki thread for links to "evidence." If that is not sufficient, let me know, okay?
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Ah, if only I could still get in touch with Marduk (whom I first met on GH and then onJREF), he could give us all the links and counter-arguments! He can read Sumerian for a start.
Marduk is not a buddy of mine.
I can't help you find him.
I work at losing him all the time.
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Doublethink: In the meanwhile, who is Enkis ?
Enki.
Interesting, so entirely different theological tradition then. I don't know much about Sumerian theology.
Actually, it's New Age Cosmology, that's all.
They live where they manifest by visualization.
Causes and effects have no meaning to those folks.
Imagine if you lived on a Holodeck.
Um-hum.
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Who's saying that the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures constitute the "official history" of the earth? (leaving aside the yeccies, who are looking relatively reasonable at this point ).
If you read the directives of the Rethuglican and Democrapic Potties, that's where they get their stuff ... NO FURTHER than 4000 years BACK.
And the texbooks our kids get in school continue that myth. Have you read your kids' textbooks?
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I could do with a translator at this point, Emily. I haven't the least idea what point you are trying to make.
By definition what we call ancient history began about 5,000 years ago. But that is purely a historian's definition, based on the earliest available written records.
From a historian's viewpoint, the written records are interesting as a source of information, but their existence may only provide fragmentary and partial information. That's just the general problem with recorded history. The same argument applies to archaeological findings; they provide at best fragmentary evidence.
The historians' pictures of ancient history are variable, subject to change as a result of further findings.
And that is a common feature of historical research for any period for which there are records. New records (archaeological, written) may be found at any time, cast some fresh light on any period. But the record will remain partial, fragmentary. Much that happened never gets recorded, or even if it does, records can get destroyed, or permanently lost.
The record of history is variable, and so therefore are the opinions on the records available so far. We're constrained by the available data. In general, the fewer the sources, the more provisional the picture.
The record of what happened may be changing, but it is always less than what happened, and the same may be said of any interpretations of the record. These are just the best that researchers are able to do with the record.
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Sitchin was not a theoretician. He was a translator among other translators.
It's the Sumerians who had opinions about their history going back and back and back.
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Which Annanuki postulate do you mean, Croesos?
On the consistency argument, many Christians today are quite happy with the methods of Historical criticism and their application to any ancient texts, including those of particular significance to Christians. It seems consistent to me to subject the "Annanuki postulate" (whichever one you are thinking about) to that standard.
Let's take Sitchin's theory. I take it that you're not really surprised by the following observations.
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Sitchin's ideas have been rejected by scientists and academics, who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. His work has been criticized for flawed methodology and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims
Given this thread is about a Shipmate's claims about what constitutes HISTORY, it seems fine to me to argue that, for various critical reasons, the Annanuki extra-terrestrial theories should not be considered as HISTORY unless and until they have been through some form of academic peer review. Based on the Sitchin article, at least one of the Annanuki theories is marked "failed" already.
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I could do with a translator at this point, Emily. I haven't the least idea what point you are trying to make.
By definition what we call ancient history began about 5,000 years ago.
Dear Barnabas, and yes I have and I disseminate copies of the Gospel of Barnabas, so I know you.
Ever hear of resurrection? That's another word for Life-after-life.
I'm in YHYH's "pocket," because as an unregenerate Dragon soul, my karma is "the law of the jungle."
The only good I get is if I EAT HUMANS.
Yuck! I'd rather starve.
So YHVH sequesters me because I DO NOT FIT IN.
Ancient history begins HALF A MILLION YEARS AGO when Annunaki first began mining gold here. Why? Because they needed CHEMTRAILS to spare the natural atmosphere on their planet which was dissipating.
Chemtrails are not new. Utilizing base elements to create a canopy over gaseous atmosphere has been tried and done over and over, usually with more bad results than good ones.
Okay. To proceed ...
Five thousands of civil history is less than one drop in the bucket ... so what we know for sure is, TPTB have NO INTEREST in telling us the real or whole story.
Can we agree this far?
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Originally posted by Lothiriel:
Who's saying that the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures constitute the "official history" of the earth? (leaving aside the yeccies, who are looking relatively reasonable at this point ).
If you read the directives of the Rethuglican and Democrapic Potties, that's where they get their stuff ... NO FURTHER than 4000 years BACK.
And the texbooks our kids get in school continue that myth. Have you read your kids' textbooks?
Emily
I make my living editing textbooks for (mostly) Canadian schools and universities, so I read them all the time. The timeframe they deal with depends on their subject matter: recorded human history begins about 4000 BC (which, if you do the math, is actually about 6000 years ago), archaeological records go back millennia further than that, paleontology millions of years, and geology billions of years.
I've worked on textbooks that discuss all these areas, each in their proper timeframes -- so this 4000-year boundary you speak of is unknown to me.
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