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Belle Ringer
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My instant reaction to the OP was - highly intelligent kid, nothing "wrong" with him at all, and I love the 11-12 year old age -- old enough to think creatively, young enough to still listen.
Many teachers (and schools) dislike intelligent kids because the kid asks question the teachers don't know the answers to which they feel undermines their authority. And even if they don't feel that personal ego threat, they experience the kid as disruptive, his questions and observations distracting attention away from what the class is supposed to be focusing on.
Getting a diagnosis makes everything "right" because it "proves" the problem is the kid, not the teacher or the school. But I don't think being "labeled" is good for a kid.
I second the suggestion to contact MENSA. They have a branch that is very concerned about gifted kids being ignored by the schools, a widespread problem. They have some programs, I don't know much about it, when to a session once where they talked about a gathering of kids and the thrill of being with other kids "like me". For once fitting in, being normal.
Another thing to look into, I am having a marvelous time with coursera.com, and although you are supposed to be 18 to sign up there are a number of kids age 11 or 12. I think 9 is the youngest I've heard of. Basically, early college level short courses in - almost anything, but heavily the sciences/computers. Free.
A lot of the courses are about doing - learn a computer program, learn how to create a smartphone app, I'm in a beginning guitar course that just started just this week (i.e. it's not too late to join) and an intermediate jazz improv course just started. Others are more about knowing - sustainable agriculture, cyrptography, astrobiology, animal behavior, climate change.
Outstanding courses from professors at "name" universities.
Useful Genetics just started (can still join), Intro to Psychology starts in a couple days, History of Rock starts May 13, Introductory Physics, Archeology in June, also in June a course that has you build your own speaker, one on Latin American culture, Internet History (I'm in the current offering of that and love it, and we have a 13 year old). Over 300 courses. Give that young mind something to chew on?
Most of these courses I've taken have been fantastic. They are adult environments, a history course is open about the brutality that went on in whatever era, a poetry class talks about - well, you know poetry. I.e. humanities courses you might want to kinda check the syllabus, ask if there will be discussions not appropriate for a pre-teen. But the STEM courses are all very focused, no "adult" discussions, and students are mutually helpful.
Coursera.com. Free. No penalty for trying something and dropping it. Free "certificate" for completing all the work and quizzes etc. Amazing new venture capitalist-backed program. Bet your kid would find something to soak up and quickly know more than you do about it!
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As an alternative to formal courses, what about homespun investigations? I used to love it when my parents encouraged me to make full use of encyclopedias, dictionaries, thesauruses, the Bible, BCP, Shakespeare anthology, etc. to answer questions they posed for me in the form of a quiz. Even better if they set a time limit and made it a challenge. And even better still if there was a prize at the end!
Finding out information quickly from various sources of reference (from books, not just google) is a very useful skill to acquire at a young age.
You will be in effect turning the questioning on its head and challenging him instead of him challenging you.
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I don't think asking questions is a big problem...and neither is you answering them.
If he's asking too many questions in school (which you don't seem to know), could a system be set up with some way to monitor that?
My mother once taught a student who would blurt out questions and comments. They had an agreement, he could blurt out 2 times during the hour. Once he used that up, he had to wait until the lecture was over to ask her in private. It gave him the freedom to ask if it was necessary, but held him accountable for not being a disruption.
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When we were growing up if we asked a question that my dad considered we could research ourselves the answer was invariably: Look it up in the Children's Encyclopaedia.
Do you have a paper encyclopaedia suitable for his age to which you can refer him? He could lose himself for hours in that. Suggest he notes his questions during the school day and looks them up when he gets home.
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Taliesin
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I wish I knew, today.
I feel rubbish after 3 hours sleep and struggling with a virus.
S2 is monosyllabic with 'what's the point?' his current offering.
Diabetic doc says he can have a 'test holiday' (not measuring blood sugars) so his mood can only get worse, frankly.
And, how long do I sit here waiting for him to come downstairs, and at which point does going up to get him become nagging, etc??
i think that's rhetorical.
how are you doing, LC?
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I have no comfort to offer, because I have no experience of being a parent. However, I recognise myself in both of the sons described, to varying extents.
Peer opinion is so vital to self-esteem, and maternal esteem and/or love, sadly, is not a substitute.
I was a bright child who, intellectually, could do anything he turned his mind to. Sometimes, I was willing and able to put the effort in, but I rapidly became extremely scared of being seen to make an effort, an anxiety which stays with me to this day.
My childhood and adolescent was entirely saved by music. Unfortunately, I haven't stayed with it at the same intensity in adulthood, and the issue of trying to bring my initial potential to fruition is still with me at the age of 40.
I'm not sure if that's comforting or depressing, but I hope it's some use.
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Does the teacher ask a question, and when LL raises his hand, say "does anyone besides LL know the answer"? If so, it's time for LL to learn to hold back and let other students have a chance. And learn that he doesn't have to answer, even if no one else does.
Takes some of us a while to learn that one.
{Whistles at ceiling.}
Someone mentioned fighting boredom by reading under the desk. That can push some teachers right over the edge. When I was several years older than LL, I was in a class that was way too slow for me. So I read in class, book on top of the desk. One day, the teacher stormed up to me, grabbed the book, and slammed it on the desk. We then had an Interesting Conversation, wherein she discovered that the book was on topic but way ahead of the class. She was shocked. But then she calmed down, and helped me and several other students find work closer to our level.
A thought: has he read Madeleine L'Engle's "A Wind In The Door"? Part of it is about "learning to adapt while remaining wholly yourself". (Charles Wallace, who is both bright and different, has problems when he starts school--teacher teaching something that's totally wrong and CW trying to educate her, etc.) BTW, this is the sequel to "A Wrinkle In Time"--which has a much-younger CW, but already his bright, different, annoying (sometimes) self.
Oh, and sometimes kids who don't fit find a sort of home in the school drama department. That might not be available to him for several years, but could be worth checking out.
FWIW. Good luck!
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Taliesin
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I used to read novels tucked inside my textbook. No one ever noticed or cared, but I wish I'd thought of reading something on topic!
I've just ordered that book from Amazon, thanks.
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Leorning Cniht
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Does the teacher ask a question, and when LL raises his hand, say "does anyone besides LL know the answer"? If so, it's time for LL to learn to hold back and let other students have a chance. And learn that he doesn't have to answer, even if no one else does.
Be like stalks?
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Re stalks:
Sometimes, sticking your head above the parapet is not a good survival technique. (Or gets you scythed, to use the stalk metaphor.) Kids who get a subject better than the other kids in the class can be too keen about either a) the fun of having the right answer, or b) showing off. It's usually interpreted as B. This causes a lot of tension, which can annoy even teachers and friends...messing up your day on a daily basis.
Look, all kids (IMHO) should have an exciting, enlightening, out-of-the-box time at school, every day. There should be lots of room for individualized learning, no matter what IQ, talents, disabilities, learning differences, etc. are involved. There should be lots of field trips and community projects. But most kids don't get that reality. So they've got to survive in the school reality that they've got.
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Taliesin
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How about this?
S1 is 15 (year 10) and he brought me his music homework, that he doesn't understand.
He doesn't understand it, because the teacher has misunderstood a basic concept about harmony and given them the first grid wrong - so he copies it off the board and she says it's right, but he can't fill in the other two grids because it made no sense.
So I've corrected the first grid and now he understands.
No one else will have been able to complete the homework unless they have a music-savvy parent.
If she marks his work wrong, how are we going to tackle that??
Luckily, he has an excellent relationship with the teacher and will be able to say something along the lines of, hey, thanks to your deliberate mistake, I really understand this stuff now!
But if it was S2, he'd be either horribly embarrassed, or pointing out her mistake straightfaced - and would probably have done so during the lesson - and if she didn't like him, it's all going to get messy, fast.
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Sometimes, sticking your head above the parapet is not a good survival technique. (Or gets you scythed, to use the stalk metaphor.) Kids who get a subject better than the other kids in the class can be too keen about either a) the fun of having the right answer, or b) showing off. It's usually interpreted as B. This causes a lot of tension, which can annoy even teachers and friends...messing up your day on a daily basis.
Annoys especially teachers.
When I was at school it just wasn;t cool to be clever. Even in the grammar school. Not until 6th form anyway.
I was very occasionally in a position of knowing some topic better than the teacher. Even in primary school. IN fact come to think of it, especially in primary school, because we didn't have specialist teachers. The science teachers in the grammar school clearly knew a lot more thqan the kids about their topics. Not always the case when we were, say, 8 or 9 years old. Especially if the topics included things like stars and planets and space travel and dinosaurs.
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Sorry, folks, just got back from camping in the Sierras (Kern River, like God's rock pile with water too!). No cell phone or internet, oh noes. But lots of good stuff here, will be back to digest as soon as I feed the kid!
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It will be good to hear how you are, LC, and how LL is doing. My son said his teacher looked really stressed when he mentioned the homework, and said 'you need the flattened 7th in a 7th chord' which, guess what, didn't enlighten him. I'm wondering if I am in fact wrong, (join me in heaven folks, if you're of a musical bent) but clearly if it is right, it's a) far more advanced than they need for GCSE in the UK and b) she didn't explain it very well, and probably isn't entirely sure herself.
interesting.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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7th chords are pretty basic in understanding harmony. They're the simplest dischord in the book, essential for cadences. When a piece of music ends "daaaaa- DUM" the daaaaa is a 7th. They do indeed have a flattened 7th because they're a variation of the triad based on the fifth - e.g. if you're playing in C major then the 7th chord you're going to meet most naturally is G major - this is why it's also called a Dominant 7th, as the fifth is also known as the Dominant. As the key of C has no sharps, the seventh from G is F, rather than the F# natural to the key of G.
So I'd not be surprised if this was required for GCSE as you can't really understand anything more than the most basic harmony without it. Even charismatic choruses use 7th chords...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_seventh
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Golden Key
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Taliesin--
Is the teacher a) a music teacher and b) a *trained* music teacher?
Sometimes, in the US, anyway, teacher who are trained in one thing are pushed to teach something know know little about. Due to budget problems, I think--can't afford two teachers.
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Taliesin
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Darling Karl, I am a music teacher, with an assortment of diploma, degree and masters, and I understand dominant 7ths.
Join me in heaven, and we shall thereafter discuss such delights as the angels shall bring us. I also play harp ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Yes, the music teacher is a music graduate who is a wonderful performer. My feeling is that she has given out a grid of little practical use, with no real understanding of what point she's trying to make. If you're going to teach harmony, you start with chords 1, 4 and 5 (primary) then add 3rd, 6th and 2nd, and teach them as useful realities, not an academic exercise. That's what I was annoyed about. Anyway, I digress...
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Yeah, like I said in Heaven I'd missed the thrust and hadn't realised you were a musico, so I'd mis-aimed my response.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Even charismatic choruses use 7th chords...
Of course. G, C, D7, with a touch of Em and D for a bit of colour. What more do you need?
The truly keen add Am, A7, G7, and a two-finger F and so get a whole three other keys - but that's going a bit far for church. By the time you get to F or Bm with a barre you are ready for your first recording session. (E major and A major are strictly for for wannabe rock stars, and only brass bands and nerdy jazz freaks need bother with flat keys)
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(My inner honest person feels compelled by conscience to point out that the music books I've seen by well-known "worship leaders" are actually harmonically a lot more complicated than that charicature. And in fact often a lot more complicated than my basic strumming skills can cope with. Even though I know at least twice as many chords as mentioned in my previous post ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif) )
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Taliesin
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Incidentally, as a teacher, I'm expected to teach, and most intelligent adults can give most(!) kids a run for their money.
When I'm supply, I'll teach geography, science, history... but I always understand what I'm doing. I'd never pick a random worksheet up and tell kids to do it, without understanding what it was about. If I have to cover science and it's chemistry (gulp!) I have to find something in it I actually get. Unless the teacher has left a specific piece of work, and if the kids ask questions we have to find out together. In which case I'm totally honest about what I know and what I don't.
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Okay, our update--
I've got an appointment scheduled with his school head on Monday to discuss the whole shebang--whether they want us there, whether we want to BE there, WTF certain people mean by saying ominously "He'll never survive anywhere else"...
I'm not expecting much from the meeting, just trying to get a handle on a situation where I've been choking down comments and responses for far too long. (It's even possible that they don't know we're at this point--I've been biting my tongue for so long that they may not realize how fed up my family is. I just haven't trusted myself to speak to them very often, not wanting to make things worse.) Anyway, I suppose I'll find out something on Monday. I'd better, school is almost out for the year.
On a different tangent, I finally got to look at the text of the DSM-V this morning and surprise surprise, there is a new disorder which fits my kid far, far better than the autistic spectrum stuff ever did. It's something called social communication disorder--and as far as I can tell, it covers the Aspergers's like communication issues he does have (big words, some difficulty with the back and forth of a conversation) while completely eliminating the stuff he doesn't have, like narrow fixated interests, stereotypy, sensory issues, and trouble with change in routine. I'd never heard of SCD before, but just reading it made me feel a lot more hopeful. The ASD stuff has always felt like trying to shove a foot into a shoe designed for another species. An elephant or deer, maybe.
Of course, the state won't have any services for SCD unless we continue to call it autism in school. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) But if I can stop wasting emotional energy arguing with people over a misfit diagnosis, maybe we can make it work better, whatever they insist on.
Of course, a real doctor (ha) will have to make that diagnosis (or not) later. Probably a lot later, as right now the thing isn't even published yet, and it's going to take yonks before they catch up with the new classifications. Not to mention the arguments that will go on for years about whether SCD is a real thing, whether it's realy a form of ASD, etc. etc. etc.
The thing that's really occupying me at the moment is the sudden emergence of Puberty-with-a-capital-P, and me realizing that I don't have any idea what a normal teenager is like. (No, I wasn't one.) He's getting a bit moody and mouthy. That's normal, isn't it? As well as eating me out of house and home?
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SCD is meant to catch a lot of people who would have been diagnosed with PDD-NOS or Asperger's under DSM-IV but who don't really have the repetitive interests and behaviours, etc, that are required for the new ASD diagnosis.
It does sound more appropriate to your child's circumstances.
The draft ICD-11 calls this disorder "social reciprocity disorder" and gives it an alias of "Asperger's Syndrome", which (in my opinion) is incorrect as AS always required repetitive interests and behaviours, even if some practitioners gave out the diagnosis where those symptoms were missing.
Interestingly, the ICD does not group SRD with communication disorders (where DSM5 puts SCD), but rather with "the autism spectrum and related disorders".
See http://id.who.int/icd/entity/2014349241
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Yes being mouthy and moody and eating you out of house and home is quite normal.
I used to say my son must have had hollow legs because I had no idea wehre he put all the food. Half a large loaf of bread toasted was his idea of a little snack.
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The ever-hungry teenage boy is a stereotype for the good reason that it fits about 90% of teenage boys! You'd better get used to finding that the leftovers you put the fridge yesterday are no longer there today, esp if said boy had a friend or two round in the evening.
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Try having a pair of teenage boys, plus their friends... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
When they're home from uni my food bills go through the roof - major supermarket shop roughly every 3 days.
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With The Otter Pup it was more surly and grunty, but that's probably close enough to mouthy and moody. Any more than one teen boy in my kitchen is referred to collectively as a swarm, as in a swarm of locusts. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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From what you all are saying, we're definitely hitting the moody teens...
FINALLY had a face to face interview with the principal--unexpectedly hopeful. From the guarded way he did or did not say things I gather he's had a shedload of complaints about the Nasty Teacher, but his life is politically complicated as she's related to his own immediate supervisor. Gah. I told him flat out that we weren't looking for a confrontation with her, we just wanted LL OUT of her class on any excuse. Autism, even. Blame it on us. Just get him the hell out of there.
He's going to see what can be done--don't want to get my hopes up, but possibly either an independent study or skipping him to a higher grade. We'll see. In the meantime I'm investigating the public school across the street, of which I've heard conflicting reports. Don't want to tip LL out of the frying pan into the fire, and he's likely to have nerdiness issues wherever he goes. But at least there he might not have NT for two classes all year.
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On a totally unrelated topic: When do guys start shaving? LL has developed a noticeable mustache... (well, it would be noticeable, he's got Asian hair coloring on Caucasian colored skin). You'd think his dad would handle this, but he still seems to see LL as his itty wee lad about two feet tall...
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He could just have a moustache - very on trend with the right kind of sun glasses.
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On the topic of shaving it varies widely. I started shaving when I was sixteen - mostly to get rid of peach fuzz. Didn't shave with any regularity until I was eighteen.
The boy across the street (my age mate) started shaving when he was twelve. He had a very noticeable 5 o'clock shadow when he was 14. His brother started when he was around 14, I think.
The peach fuzz dark hair in early puberty is not unusual. I've noticed it on my male scouts as early as 9 (very unusual) or ten. By eleven or twelve it was endemic. As you say skin tones and head hair colour have a lot to do with it. Don't fret. He will start shaving when he tells you he needs to.
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yes, and, kids tend to use any old bit of hardware when they suddenly decide it's time to shave (face/body) so a cheap and cheerful battery razor put in the bathroom and clearly for use by child when wanted is quite a good move. My son likes his peach fuzz tash but felt funny about 6 spiky looking hairs on chin!
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My son didn't go straight from "not shaving" to "shaving." The first couple of shaves were a month apart, then it was a fortnightly tidy up, then weekly. Proper regular shaving started years after the first neaten up.
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I know men who didn't start shaving as often as weekly until their late twenties. And others who could grow beards at fourteen.
As for me, I stopped shaving the day I did my last O level, because school uniform rules could no longer be enforced on me. (Boys were permitted moustaches but not beards) My Dad stopped shaving on the same day as I did. A week later he had a very respectable full beard. Two years later, so did I. After not shaving at all. These things vary.
(On the other hand he was going bald fast then, and my head hair was growing at about two inches a month)
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L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.
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Okay, random changes to the world here--a) nasty teacher is possibly in the process of taking a position in another state--not sure yet. b) shrink says I'm not autistic, so no explanation there. c) nobody in either school is returning my calls, so we are in limbo. Must try again, though nasty boss returns Tuesday and will have hissy fits if I manage to get an interview (and need time away from my desk).
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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