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deano
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He's almost as bad as Clinton!
Obama-sex-rat
How anyone can look at themselves in a mirror if they voted for this mysogenist, I just don't know. How can they sleep at. night knowing they out such a man in the White House?
President "hope for the future" is a sexist. Who new the left produced such people. I thought it was only us Nazi's who said that sort of thing.
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Is this illiterate fuck-wit routine of yours supposed to be a joke, Deano?
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I'm not sure what this story proves except that public figures must be as wary of what they say about friends as of what they say about foes.
IOW, ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
@ leo:
Dunno about sexism; it might prove the commentor's need for glasses.
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From the linked article:
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Jennifer Rubin in the Washington Post wonders whether everyone has "gone stark raving mad", saying the president was "bludgeoned" into apologising. "Conservatives should figure out there is a bunch of real stuff to be complaining about, and much of this nonsense simply makes them look like they are back in junior high. And the tut-tutters on the left? Well, they shouldn't be surprised that young women don't want to be called 'feminists'. If the compliment police are going to descend every time a pleasantry is offered, well then the heck with 'feminism'."
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Maybe all females everywhere donning the full-bodied Burka will eliminate sexism at a stroke .
Or maybe I'm thinking Orwellian futurist police state . Men are forced to view a picture of a good-looking woman, if there is measurable pupil dilation they are shot for being sexist.
"Stark raving mad" gets my vote.
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Originally posted by Josephine:
An article about benevolent sexism, in case you're wondering what the issue is.
Not much mystery to be had here; most of the sexism I personally encounter is of this type. In fact, sexism -- can we be frank? -- is rampant in U.S. culture, as substantial a presence -- though it may take slightly less overt and less disempowering forms these days -- as it has ever been. I'd say that in some ways it's worse than what my mother had to deal with, and I am no spring chicken.
In my seat in the state legislature, I am surrounded by men, and they talk solely to each other. They ignore my remarks and offer none of their own to me. To be fair, they're almost all Republicans as well (I'm a Democrat); let's hope that's the actual reason for their remaining incommunicado.
My issue is this: does one off-hand, humorously-intended (and possibly ironic) remark which is characteristic of this normative-sexist culture (coming as it does from a highly-placed political figure who has appointed women to numerous positions of power) really indicate entrenched misogyny in that executive?
Must we actually micro-analyze every frigging syllable out of every public official's mouth and use it to beat him or her about the head and shoulders?
Frankly, I'm a lot more disturbed by those officials who imagine women's wombs clamp shut when confronted with rapists, or who think that women should be forced to bring every conceivable pregnancy, all puns intended, to term, even against her will, or without the ability to support the resulting baby, or even at the cost of her own life.
Sexism is a serious and profoundly damaging phenomenon for women and men alike. Calling a friend good-looking is not.
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We're all sexist, all you beautiful ugly pieces of sweet smelling turds. I guess you folks elected Obama, penis and all, didn't you?
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If only there was this much faux-rage directed at the hyper-sexualization of young girls through advertising; the restriction of women's reproductive choices; the judgment and scorn heaped upon women who are strong public figures (e.g., Hillary = bitch) and the judgment heaped on women who try to balance the demands of the workforce with the expectation that they take the lead parenting and homemaker role at home - and scorn heaped on those who drop the ball from time to time. That kind of sexism is still rampant.
The reaction to Obama's comment mystifies me. Mens' looks are increasingly the subject of commentary nowadays. We had to endure gushing from the very same right wing about Paul Ryan's "dreamy" blue eyes and buff physique during the last campaign. This is a culture that is increasingly thralled by physical appearance. Women are undoubtedly the target of it more than men, but that is changing.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Josephine:
An article about benevolent sexism, in case you're wondering what the issue is.
I have commented before on the way that newspaper articles always feel the need to comment on Mrs Merkel's clothes and hair before they discuss her policies. Mrs Clinton's pant suits seemed to attract a similar interest.
I'd like to write it off as just a symptom of society's sexism, but it is true that women have a rather greater range of acceptable clothing and hairstyle choices than men in a business setting, and I note that new new energy secretary seems to have attracted a certain amount of interest for having unusual hair.
So I don't know that the line is always so easy to draw.
ETA: Dr. Moniz is the nominee for Energy Secretary - he hasn't been confirmed yet.
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Total fucking non-story as far as I'm concerned. Is this a joke?
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Well, she is good looking. Anyone who has a problem with me figuring she is can pound sand.
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Originally posted by Gextvedde:
Total fucking non-story as far as I'm concerned. Is this a joke?
I think it's deano's idea of one.
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Originally posted by Gextvedde:
Total fucking non-story as far as I'm concerned. Is this a joke?
Well, it has been fodder for the right-wing rage machine in the U.S. recently. (I guess Benghazi doesn't have the traction it used to.) One could argue they're a joke though.
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What's that I see in my tea cup? Ah yes, a storm.
fwiw, Obama is without doubt the best looking president in the history of the United States. But that's the opinion of one straight middle-aged white guy.
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Kelly Alves
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To me the story is he acknowledged the implications of his remark and amended it.
Sorry, but this stuff does matter. (Do read Josephine's article.) If you have a tremendous amount to offer the world, and the first thing people what to talk about is how you look, the temptation is to wonder if any of those things you have to offer would be less important to those people if you didn't look the right way.
It's not that it's not okay to be cute, it's that a female colleague wants to hear it's not at the top of the list of what makes her valuable. And not in a sigh, eye-roll, of-course-it-isn't sort of way. In a consistently reinforced way.
So good on Obama for taking it seriously. Everybody has a less- than-tactful moment, he stepped up when he had his and admitted it. And didn't' say "It's up to the oversensitive bitches to adjust to my comfort level."
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Despite Josephine and I disagreeing in purg recently, I think we're in a similar place on this one. I agree with Kelly, it does matter.
I think that the inappropriateness is reduced by the fact that it was amongst a bunch of other, appropriate compliments. But this was in a public speech. There's a difference there, than if he just mentioned it to his mates. The implication for Ms Harris is that her ability to be a good Attorney General is dependent on her looks. And the implication for people that aren't blessed with a similar level of good looks are somehow less capable professionally.
On a scale of importance, yes, it's not that big a deal, and there's been much worse said with no apology. So I also agree with the 'storm in a teacup' comments. But I do think it was inappropriate, and it was right he apologised. But since it wasn't a huge deal, and he did apologise, that should be the end of it. Story over.
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Sioni Sais
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OK Kelly, this does matter and President Obama was right to apologise. On the other hand it isn't what matters most, nor was it the first thing he said about Ms Harris. This link shows that he stated 'she was "brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough, and she is exactly what you'd want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake"' before he said anything about her appearance.
Yes, he made a mistake, but it wasn't as if he put looks first.
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Republicans: "Oh look! Another stick to beat Obama with!"
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
OK Kelly, this does matter and President Obama was right to apologise. On the other hand it isn't what matters most, nor was it the first thing he said about Ms Harris. This link shows that he stated 'she was "brilliant and she is dedicated and she is tough, and she is exactly what you'd want in anybody who is administering the law and making sure that everybody is getting a fair shake"' before he said anything about her appearance.
Yes, he made a mistake, but it wasn't as if he put looks first.
Fair enough.
Read the "I fucking love science" stuff in Josephine's article. God, it cut me to the heart. Because I fucking love "I fucking love science" and the fantastic shit that woman does is worth two Nobel prizes--always has been, even when she was faceless--and the fact that guys were sailing up to her evaluating her "shaggability" as if that was their privilege, and not something that wasn't any of their damn business to do... it just sucks. And I praise her for calling it out.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Read the "I fucking love science" stuff in Josephine's article. God, it cut me to the heart. Because I fucking love "I fucking love science" and the fantastic shit that woman does is worth two Nobel prizes--always has been, even when she was faceless--and the fact that guys were sailing up to her evaluating her "shaggability" as if that was their privilege, and not something that wasn't any of their damn business to do... it just sucks. And I praise her for calling it out.
I read that "I fucking love science" stuff and there's a heck of a lot in there that is very close to home. I work in IT, in a scientific environment in South Wales, all of which leads to a non-inclusive culture. Women working in that environment have to be capable and to take no shit whatsoever, because some of the guys working there are troglodytes and glory in it. Maybe it's catching!
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I think it's the "glory in it" bit that has caused PTSD in me.
Mine comes from certain scathing sexists I ran across in my gaming years, which can be equally harrowing for women who try to navigate it. And some of the guys who think they can white-glove women...
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
Mens' looks are increasingly the subject of commentary nowadays. We had to endure gushing from the very same right wing about Paul Ryan's "dreamy" blue eyes and buff physique during the last campaign. This is a culture that is increasingly thralled by physical appearance. Women are undoubtedly the target of it more than men, but that is changing.
Indeed, I think the solution is to give women more permission to comment on the looks of men, not to tell men they can't comment on the looks of women.
Because let's face it, most of us are not blind. We notice whether we consider someone attractive or not.
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It's deeper than that Orfeo. Sexuality is part of all human relationships, whether acknowledged and controlled or allowed to unconsciously influence. Human beings size up each others physical attributes and consider the mating potential or whether our antlers are larger than the next deer's. Because Obama didn't decide to censor his comments, he's been less civilized than we expect, but we shouldn't expect him to check his hormones at the door, nor take anti-androgen drugs. Women are wont to censor themselves more in western cultures, but they are affected by the same human and hormonal issues than men. Hence the care taken with dress, cosmetics, hair, though these seem often aimed at both sexes more clearly than with men.
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lilBuddha
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I will agree that Kamala Harris' looks should not have come into it at all. What I do object to is that, as a group, the Republicans do exponentially more to harm women's rights.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I work in IT, in a scientific environment in South Wales, all of which leads to a non-inclusive culture.
Gonna have to call you on this on. Our pal deano has stated IT is practically UK Feminista.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Indeed, I think the solution is to give women more permission to comment on the looks of men, not to tell men they can't comment on the looks of women.
Because let's face it, most of us are not blind. We notice whether we consider someone attractive or not.
I might agree with you, but I would make a distinction between commenting and evaluating (emphasis on the root "value")
Again I would refer to some o the comments made by they guys toward the IFLS gal. some were just "hey you're cute". Some added comments about her "fuckability" Um, who's job is it to evaluate that?
Because as far as I can see, in the REAL world all kinds of people of various attractiveness levels are getting laid. There is no actual "you must be this hot to fuck" bar, so why talk as if there is one? Commenting is fine as long as it is one person's opinion and not framed as a categorical evaluation.
But the bit about women "given permission"-- note how you phrased that-- I agree with that. Because there still is this lingering sense that it is men that make the "evaluations" (basing this on some of the more appalling comments discussed, ) and that the female half of the human race are just this sort of buffet waiting for selection.
Case in point-- months ago, we were having a similar discussion about whether or not women should be flattered by random evaluations (i'm going to assume we all agree simple compliments aren't a problem) a guy said something (trying to empathize) about how he might be flattered by a nice looking lady complimenting him, but not at all flattering if he got it from Roseanne Barr. The conversation had moved too far to address it, but I remember thinking,"Why? If a compliment is a good thing, then why isn't it just as good getting it from Roseanne Barr? She's not saying she's attractive, she's saying YOU are."
Unless(as I suspect) the compliment is read as "evaluation" and the implication is "selection." Which would both explain why women get uncomfortable about the context and delivery of certain compliments, and why men might have the unfortunate societal consequence of having to watch how they phrase their compliments a bit more.
But as you say, if women were freer about commenting on men's appearance, and men therefore got to sense the "compliment/ evaluation" difference for themselves, maybe things would balance out enough for us all to be a little more humane about how we talk about each other.
Also, maybe the only problem at all with what Obama said was the word "best." As per above, he may be president, but it's just not his job to make public evaluations of that sort.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Also, maybe the only problem at all with what Obama said was the word "best." As per above, he may be president, but it's just not his job to make public evaluations of that sort.
He's the president talking about an Attorney General, in a reasonably official context (it's actually quite hard for the president to have an unofficial context in public). The fact that Dr Harris is easy on the eye is completely irrelevant to her performance as Attorney General. It shouldn't matter whether she looks like Christie Brinkley or Chris Christie.
The president shouldn't have brought her looks up, he knows he shouldn't, and apologized - it's not a big deal.
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OK, fuckin' a, that's about as right as right can be.
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So yes, everyday sexism is an issue. It is wrong and mistaken, and should be stamped out. Obama was wrong to make a comment that is sexist, and he has now apologised for it.
The truth is that people make mistakes, and the best people acknowledge that, and seek to improve. Did anyone actually expect that Obama was perfect?
Because GWB was so brilliant, wasn't he*?
And deano - you are a rotten piece of arse-crack mould, if you think this is funny in any way. Kindly drop into the blocked u-bend of life and die.
*sorry, did I say brilliant? I meant the only fucking politician who could make Boris seem like a competent leader.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Gonna have to call you on this on. Our pal deano has stated IT is practically UK Feminista.
I haven't stated that. That's what's know as "a load of old bollocks".
It's interesting to see how many people here are minimising Obama's comments. Lefties protecting a sexist. Who'da thunk'it?
Still, I'm glad that some don't want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend this isn't important.
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Originally posted by deano:
It's interesting to see how many people here are minimising Obama's comments. Lefties protecting a sexist. Who'da thunk'it?
Still, I'm glad that some don't want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend this isn't important.
Looking at Obama's record as a whole, I think very few people would describe him as "a sexist". He is a normal human being who slipped up once and has apologised for it. Just as one swallow does not make a summer, one remark does not define a person.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
So yes, everyday sexism is an issue. It is wrong and mistaken, and should be stamped out. Obama was wrong to make a comment that is sexist, and he has now apologised for it.
The truth is that people make mistakes, and the best people acknowledge that, and seek to improve. Did anyone actually expect that Obama was perfect?
Because GWB was so brilliant, wasn't he*?
And deano - you are a rotten piece of arse-crack mould, if you think this is funny in any way. Kindly drop into the blocked u-bend of life and die.
*sorry, did I say brilliant? I meant the only fucking politician who could make Boris seem like a competent leader.
I don't think this is funny. It's terrible and Congress should start hearings. I mean why wouldn't you. He's the President.
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Oh believe me, I know plenty of people who would have been spamming my timeline if Obama had actually been unrepentantly sexist. As it is, this is the first I have heard about it.
I don't think everyday sexism is funny. Similarly, I don't think you are funny deano. A shimmering block of knob cheese, maybe.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
[QUOTE] Indeed, I think the solution is to give women more permission to comment on the looks of men, not to tell men they can't comment on the looks of women.
Because let's face it, most of us are not blind. We notice whether we consider someone attractive or not.
Um, no. NO NO NO NO.
First, I do not fucking need anyone's fucking "permission" to say whatever I fucking please about anybody. All I have to do is be prepared for the consequences.
And what about those consequences?
Do you actually imagine, for one minute, that my publicly and loudly speculating about, oh, say, the length of Guy #1's penis in the hearing of several other guys, or even in the presence of mixed company, is actually likely to IMPROVE anybody's sexist behavior?
Give. Me. A. Break.
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It's always the same with Democrats. From Kennedy to Clinton to Obama.
It starts with "You look hot!!" and ends up with "Do you want a cigar?"
I suspect the dismissive attitude shown here would be howls of faux outrage were a conservative to have made similar comments.
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Obama has out his foot in it before - about the special olympics for example. One or two pratfalls do not a serial philanderer make. They don't even make a sexist.
deano - what nobody can work out is whether you're just trying to be funny or whether you really are that stupid. Me, I don't think it's an either-or option.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Gonna have to call you on this on. Our pal deano has stated IT is practically UK Feminista.
I haven't stated that. That's what's know as "a load of old bollocks".
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]Not in my experience. I've worked in IT for almost 30 years and in my experience it's a great industry for women.
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Gonna have to call you on this on. Our pal deano has stated IT is practically UK Feminista.
I haven't stated that. That's what's know as "a load of old bollocks".
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]Not in my experience. I've worked in IT for almost 30 years and in my experience it's a great industry for women.
So you equate a good industry for women to work in with a hotbed of radical feminism!
Wow. No wonder you're desperate to defend Obama, you're even more sexist than he is.
There is some serious hypocrisy from the left on display here. Ad hominen attacks merely confirm the lack of real arguments.
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Methinks the deano doth protest too much.
The habitual user of hyperbole (I guess that's one way of looking at it, kinder than merely seeing provocation) goes off the deep end when someone else makes a little use of hyperbole.
Plank out of eye time, deano. Hyperbole is a game anyone can play. You don't have a corner on that market.
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Originally posted by deano:
There is some serious hypocrisy from the left on display here. Ad hominen attacks merely confirm the lack of real arguments.
I'm at all sure what the argument here is .
Is an obsession re. all things 'left' treatable these days ?
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I will agree that Kamala Harris' looks should not have come into it at all. What I do object to is that, as a group, the Republicans do exponentially more to harm women's rights.
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I work in IT, in a scientific environment in South Wales, all of which leads to a non-inclusive culture.
Gonna have to call you on this on. Our pal deano has stated IT is practically UK Feminista.
Either my experience is at odds with deano's, or deano's idea of what is great for women is off-beam. Mind you, I've worked in IT elsewhere in the UK and it has been much better there for women, so maybe geography plays a part too.
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It's interesting to see how many people here are minimising Obama's comments. Lefties protecting a sexist. Who'da thunk'it?
Still, I'm glad that some don't want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend this isn't important.
Looking at Obama's record as a whole, I think very few people would describe him as "a sexist". He is a normal human being who slipped up once and has apologized for it. Just as one swallow does not make a summer, one remark does not define a person.
Exactly. While I did want to unpack the issues a little, as I started off saying, the news to me is that he apologized. The usual tactic would be to throw all kinds of spin over it that made whoever complained look evil. That is exactly what Clinton did, so bringing him into the OP only highlights how much more class Obama has than Clinton.
I also agree with others that deano is playing Johnny Hyperbole, and I suspect he is getting off on digging at Obama supporters on that basis alone, and if I get the sense he is twisting my words to dig at people, I will eat him.
"Charges drawn up?" Good God, what nonsense. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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I'm surprised that nobody's pointed out the obvious sexism revealed by Obama's actions. For example, he appointed a female Secretary of State, and 100% of his Supreme Court appointees have been women, and he appointed more women to the Federal bench in his first term than any other president has in a single term.
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An article about benevolent sexism, in case you're wondering what the issue is.
That link worked yesterday, I was going to look at it again, where's it gone?
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Originally posted by Porridge:
I'm surprised that nobody's pointed out the obvious sexism revealed by Obama's actions. For example, he appointed a female Secretary of State, and 100% of his Supreme Court appointees have been women, and he appointed more women to the Federal bench in his first term than any other president has in a single term.
That probably illustrates the difference between what Obama once said and what he has done over a period of years.
I'd suggest that what people do matters more.
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I suspect the dismissive attitude shown here would be howls of faux outrage were a conservative to have made similar comments.
I remember something of the like happening not too long ago here in the UK...joking turned into baying for blood...
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..... are we talking about cameron and the "There there dear" jibe in the House of Commons ?
He was fuckin lucky to get away as lightly as he did with that one .
He wouldn't have got off had my Missis been on the end of it I can tell you that !
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Methinks the deano doth protest too much.
The habitual user of hyperbole (I guess that's one way of looking at it, kinder than merely seeing provocation) goes off the deep end when someone else makes a little use of hyperbole.
Plank out of eye time, deano. Hyperbole is a game anyone can play. You don't have a corner on that market.
Hypocrisy even more than hyperbole. deano's posts indicate an utter lack of a meaningful morality.
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