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deano
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Originally posted by ken:
You really, really don't understand what it's all about, do you?
Ken, you keep making these little bon mots, but they aren’t fooling anyone.
You’re devoid of ideas and argument.
Someone said I didn’t understand socialism. Of course I understand it. I understand it in depth, which is why I reject it out of hand.
Socialism is doomed by its own tragic inertia. It needs the whole planet before it can work, which it will never get. Anything less and it is lies pathetic and useless, like a Great White Shark, washed up on a beach. In the water it is perfection and will reign supreme over all in its domain. Floundering on the sand it is of no importance or relevance unless you deliberately walk into its mouth.
Ken you represent all that is good about the old left… nothing. Nothing at all. It has no merit or virtue, no relevance, and contributes nothing to people’s lives except a big dollop of sentiment and mawkishness.
Socialism – in the hard left sense – is a historical footnote. Only Blairism is now allowed, and unless you want to start a revolution then you really mustn’t hold out for anything further left than that.
What killed socialism was the great mass of the population saying “that beached shark is a nuisance! Get rid of it, we don’t want it!”. Baroness Thatcher was merely the vet that put the poor, shivering, flailing old thing out of its misery.
Drop it mate and move on with your life. If you don’t, you’ll be dragging the shark’s corpse of decaying, foetid, stinking old socialism around with you until you fall into your own grave with it.
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Firenze
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it's the same sort of triumphalism being exhibited by those celebrating Thatcher's death, which is even less warranted because they did nothing to bring it about.
What? You're saying we ought to have assassinated her?
Well at least it would have given the parties some sort of justification.
There's a sort of splendour to that degree of daftness, which it would be a pity to tarnish by trying to apply any kind of logic to it.
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HA HA HA, you're a bunch of sore losers. You haven't achieved much to create the sort of society YOU claim you'd like to see so the best you can do to make a contribution to society is to crow about the death from natural causes of an 87 yo woman. PATHETIC. Yet MT's legacy lives on in the UK, she has the last laugh.
The very type of triumphalism , typical of Thatcher herself, that has caused the grave-dancing methinks.
Exactly ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) and it's the same sort of triumphalism being exhibited by those celebrating Thatcher's death, which is even less warranted because they did nothing to bring it about.
It's triumphalism ...from people who lost?
Yeah that really doesn't make sense Evangeline
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This article in the Telegraph is worth a read. I think Peter Oborne articulates it very well. [Posted on the purgatory thread as well, but relevant to both]
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Evangeline
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
it's the same sort of triumphalism being exhibited by those celebrating Thatcher's death, which is even less warranted because they did nothing to bring it about.
What? You're saying we ought to have assassinated her?
Well at least it would have given the parties some sort of justification.
There's a sort of splendour to that degree of daftness, which it would be a pity to tarnish by trying to apply any kind of logic to it.
Oh good grief Firenze, this whole thing is daft, I didn't think that your response was a serious one and I replied in kind. The celebrators do deserve to be mocked though, for crowing about the death of somebody who's had no power for 20 years.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
it's the same sort of triumphalism being exhibited by those celebrating Thatcher's death, which is even less warranted because they did nothing to bring it about.
What? You're saying we ought to have assassinated her?
Well at least it would have given the parties some sort of justification.
There's a sort of splendour to that degree of daftness, which it would be a pity to tarnish by trying to apply any kind of logic to it.
Oh good grief Firenze, this whole thing is daft, I didn't think that your response was a serious one and I replied in kind. The celebrators do deserve to be mocked though, for crowing about the death of somebody who's had no power for 20 years.
Me, I'm more concerned about the areas around here that have hardly had any jobs for 20 years.
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L'organist
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Peter Oborne doesn't quite get it.
First, as a long-standing PM Mrs T was asked about her wishes for her funeral and was OFFERED a ceremonial sending-off. And she chose it.
Second, Clement Attlee made it very clear that he wanted a private funeral - it was stipulated in his Will and he reiterated it after the funeral for Churchill (when he almost fell down the steps of St Paul's).
Third, any similarities to the funeral of HM The Queen cannot be known, only surmised, since she is still very much alive. However, there are certain things we can take as a given: lying-in-state, Westminster Abbey, crowned heads of Europe, other heads of state, full royal family, national mourning.
Not one of the above is happening for Mrs T. State funeral? dream on.
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alienfromzog
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
The celebrators do deserve to be mocked though, for crowing about the death of somebody who's had no power for 20 years.
Paradoxically I think she's more powerful than she was two weeks ago.
Because of the right-wing-Thatcher-fetish, her influence is still very much felt in the political debate long after she lost actual power. Whether Thatcherites are worse than Thatcher or not is moot but symbolically she is very powerful. Post death, her symbolism increases and hence I think here more powerful now as a dead former-PM than as an ailing one.
As I said a few pages back. Even if you concede that Thatcher polices were right and necessary (I don't) even her most ardent supporters have to admit that some were hurt by what she did. As Karl mentioned some regions still feel those effects today.
I don't think it remotely unreasonable for those hurt by her not to like her. And given that ever since her rise to power and often to a great extent since, she has been lauded by the Right and given idol status. The tone of much of our press is that she is great and anyone who disagrees that she's great is wrong and defective somehow.
Thus, we should not be surprised that hatred is what many feel.
I would not condone dancing on anybody's grave but for me, it is no more sick than the patronising, insulting bollocks coming from some quarters.
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deano
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Oh, and for all those fuckwits who sing the ding, dong song, here's and alternative view for you...
Wicked
probably closer to reality than the fantasy land in which those who sing that song are living in.
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Oh, and for all those fuckwits who sing the ding, dong song, here's and alternative view for you...
Wicked
probably closer to reality than the fantasy land in which those who sing that song are living in.
Fantasy land? You mean.... she isn't dead?
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MT closed 154 pits during her reign with 1 miners' strike.
Harold Wilson closed 272 along with 2 miners' strikes, 3 day week, power blackouts and winter of discontent.
I don't recall any dancing at his funeral? Any reason?
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Originally posted by canalto2:
MT closed 154 pits during her reign with 1 miners' strike.
Harold Wilson closed 272 along with 2 miners' strikes, 3 day week, power blackouts and winter of discontent.
I don't recall any dancing at his funeral? Any reason?
Because his funeral was on the Isles of Scilly and trendy Metropolitan lefties don't venture beyond the M25.
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Actually the three day week was under Heath (and ended by Wilson) and the Winter of Discontent was under Callaghan.
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Actually the three day week was under Heath (and ended by Wilson) and the Winter of Discontent was under Callaghan.
Tut, tut. Mustn't let facts get in the way of a good story, must we now.
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Mention of David Jenkins of Durham above reminded me I was going to look out my badge of the time which stated "I love Cuckoos". Remember that?
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Third, any similarities to the funeral of HM The Queen cannot be known, only surmised, since she is still very much alive. However, there are certain things we can take as a given: ... crowned heads of Europe, other heads of state...
Not one of the above is happening for Mrs T. State funeral? dream on.
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Among the foreign dignitaries attending are the Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheikh Jaber Mubark Al-Sabah, the son of the ruler of Kuwait, Sheikh Nasser Sabah Al-Ahmed Al Sabah, and Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti.
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Thurible quoted from The Daily Telegraph
Among the foreign dignitaries attending are the Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheikh Jaber Mubark Al-Sabah, the son of the ruler of Kuwait, Sheikh Nasser Sabah Al-Ahmed Al Sabah, and Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti.
... none of whom is a Head of State:
Kuwait has an Emir
Italy has a President
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I was told yesterday, while at Mortlake Crematorium, that the Blessed Margaret/Wicked Witch [delete whichever is appropriate] is to be cremated there tomorrow.
Now, Mortlake Crematorium is at one end of Townmead Road in Kew, and at the other end, not very far away is the Richmond Borough recycling and waste disposal centre. Turn right you get the crem. Turn left, you get rid of your rubbish.
You are probably seeing where I am going with this...
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Originally posted by canalto2:
MT closed 154 pits during her reign with 1 miners' strike.
Harold Wilson closed 272 along with 2 miners' strikes, 3 day week, power blackouts and winter of discontent.
I don't recall any dancing at his funeral? Any reason?
Also, it's a real shame that the coal in those pits was so much more expensive (thanks to Scargill et al) and not as good a quality as coal mined and imported from abroad.
It was a no brainer... buy expensive and shitty coal from UK pits or shut them down and buy cheaper coal to keep the lights on at a lower price.
We know what the answer was don't we, and thank God she took that decision...
(BTW I once spat in A. Scargill's beer! I was a student at the time working in a Miners Welfare Club in a pit village just outside Chesterfield during the strike. He came in one day with McGahee and crew to "motivate the troops" in the village and surrounding areas. He was a wanker in person. So when I bent down to make it look like I was getting a pint pot from under the bar, I dribbled a little bit of spittle in before jamming it under the pump. Hee!)
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by canalto2:
MT closed 154 pits during her reign with 1 miners' strike.
Harold Wilson closed 272 along with 2 miners' strikes, 3 day week, power blackouts and winter of discontent.
I don't recall any dancing at his funeral? Any reason?
Also, it's a real shame that the coal in those pits was so much more expensive (thanks to Scargill et al) and not as good a quality as coal mined and imported from abroad.
It was a no brainer... buy expensive and shitty coal from UK pits or shut them down and buy cheaper coal to keep the lights on at a lower price.
I can safely say you know as much about geology as you do about socialism.
Which is, fuck all. You do seem to enjoy parading your staggeringly boorish ignorance at every turn, don't you?
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Originally posted by deano:
(BTW I once spat in A. Scargill's beer! I was a student at the time working in a Miners Welfare Club in a pit village just outside Chesterfield during the strike. He came in one day with McGahee and crew to "motivate the troops" in the village and surrounding areas. He was a wanker in person. So when I bent down to make it look like I was getting a pint pot from under the bar, I dribbled a little bit of spittle in before jamming it under the pump. Hee!)
Prejudices are self-fulfilling prophecies. I am aware of my prejudice of Tories as being selfish, deluded or downright stupid. I try to work on them. You make it difficult to do so.
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Anglican't
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I can safely say you know as much about geology as you do about socialism.
Enlighten us. Are you of the view that the mines were economical and commercially viable?
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Originally posted by deano:
(BTW I once spat in A. Scargill's beer! I was a student at the time working in a Miners Welfare Club in a pit village just outside Chesterfield during the strike. He came in one day with McGahee and crew to "motivate the troops" in the village and surrounding areas. He was a wanker in person. So when I bent down to make it look like I was getting a pint pot from under the bar, I dribbled a little bit of spittle in before jamming it under the pump. Hee!)
Obviously this was in your mature phase.
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Doc Tor
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I can safely say you know as much about geology as you do about socialism.
Enlighten us. Are you of the view that the mines were economical and commercially viable?
Which wasn't what deano was saying. Welsh anthracite was/is widely acknowledged as the finest coal on the planet, and almost all UK coal was superior in respect of energy density and sulphur content to the Polish coal we imported to replace it with.
As to its economic viability, we'd got most of the easy coal out. With new mining techniques, higher rates of extraction and working previously unworkable seams could have seen a significantly more gradual closure program, rather than the enormous cost to communities and the exchequer of simply shutting the mines and throwing all those (not just the miners) dependent on them on the dole.
Or do such costs not figure in your 'economic and commercially viable' calculations, just like they didn't with Thatcher?
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Evangeline
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
The celebrators do deserve to be mocked though, for crowing about the death of somebody who's had no power for 20 years.
Paradoxically I think she's more powerful than she was two weeks ago.
Because of the right-wing-Thatcher-fetish, her influence is still very much felt in the political debate long after she lost actual power. Whether Thatcherites are worse than Thatcher or not is moot but symbolically she is very powerful. Post death, her symbolism increases and hence I think here more powerful now as a dead former-PM than as an ailing one.
This is getting more purgatorial than hellish... but I agree with most of what you say. Is it possible though that the rather childish protests feed that power rather than the detract from it? I really do think that MT is probably laughing at the impotency of the effigy burning and song-singing etc it really just reinforces the totality of her "victory".
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As I said a few pages back. Even if you concede that Thatcher polices were right and necessary (I don't) even her most ardent supporters have to admit that some were hurt by what she did. As Karl mentioned some regions still feel those effects today.
I don't think it remotely unreasonable for those hurt by her not to like her. And given that ever since her rise to power and often to a great extent since, she has been lauded by the Right and given idol status. The tone of much of our press is that she is great and anyone who disagrees that she's great is wrong and defective somehow.
Thus, we should not be surprised that hatred is what many feel.
I would not condone dancing on anybody's grave but for me, it is no more sick than the patronising, insulting bollocks coming from some quarters.
AFZ
I'm all for an honest appraisal of Thatcher's Prime Ministership (believe it or not I'm not really a fan, i just think the protests are rather pathetic and weak), maybe if the vitriol (and the eulogising) was toned down, some valid criticisms would be aired and the shades of grey could be acknowledged rather than she's all black or all white, so to speak. Perhaps some healing could then occur.
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Is it possible though that the rather childish protests feed that power rather than the detract from it?
Yes, I agree with this to some extent, although I would say they feed the myth rather than any actual power.
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I remember reading that a couple of the South Wales pits were reopened by workers' co-operatives and operated profitably for a few years: the co-operatives closed them once the seams were exhausted.
So it seems that perhaps a few were profitable in the sense they were viable businesses (rather than as state concerns), but not the others.
On an unrelated point, I saw this in the Grauniad: "wiring my own white goods because I can't afford an electrician".
The UK is clearly in a shocking state if people can't afford to employ electricians to wire their plugs or, presumably, plumbers to flush their toilets. I blame Thatcher.
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What is the essential difference between wearing red/turning the back/downloading ding dong/ringing bells and spitting in Scargill's beer?
Reminder - my sig, and another site, donthatedonate. Thast's different.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Did anyone hear David Cameron on the radio this morning? He was bloody insufferable.
No, but I can imagine. I thank God that I didn't drive to work today and therefore have the Today programme on.
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Did anyone hear David Cameron on the radio this morning? He was bloody insufferable.
I had the radio on, but for some reason was asleep, not enjoying a dream about taking a supply lesson in a school under reorganisation, with a particularly obnoxious boy in the class. Is it worth using IPlayer to hear him?
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Did anyone hear David Cameron on the radio this morning? He was bloody insufferable.
I had the radio on, but for some reason was asleep, not enjoying a dream about taking a supply lesson in a school under reorganisation, with a particularly obnoxious boy in the class. Is it worth using IPlayer to hear him?
It's possible you did in your dream, from the description you give.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
What is the essential difference between wearing red/turning the back/downloading ding dong/ringing bells and spitting in Scargill's beer?
Three of those are legitimate forms of creative non-violent protest and one is a crude unpleasant personal assault?
What do I win?
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
it's the same sort of triumphalism being exhibited by those celebrating Thatcher's death, which is even less warranted because they did nothing to bring it about.
What? You're saying we ought to have assassinated her?
You could at least have tried.
Forgetting the IRA?
Poor taste, even for Hell.
OK, I've googled "IRA killed Thatcher" and come up with a blank.
And in the context of the comment (to the effect) that you shouldn't be gloating about her having carked it unless you did something to bring it about, I am frankly at a loss to understand your (obvious) distaste at my (obvious) smart-arsed (hopefully Mousethief Approved) one liner.
What is the problem?
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Originally posted by Left at the Altar:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
it's the same sort of triumphalism being exhibited by those celebrating Thatcher's death, which is even less warranted because they did nothing to bring it about.
What? You're saying we ought to have assassinated her?
You could at least have tried.
Forgetting the IRA?
Poor taste, even for Hell.
OK, I've googled "IRA killed Thatcher" and come up with a blank.
And in the context of the comment (to the effect) that you shouldn't be gloating about her having carked it unless you did something to bring it about, I am frankly at a loss to understand your (obvious) distaste at my (obvious) smart-arsed (hopefully Mousethief Approved) one liner.
What is the problem?
I agree re the whole smart arse answer and response and I can't see what the problem is.
As an aside, In the context of hell though, the point remains that rejoicing over something you had no hand in bringing about is just proving how powerless and sad you are.
Although LATA perhaps googling Brighton Hotel bombing might be more enlightening.
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Oh, the Don't Forget the Victims of The Brighton Hotel Bombing when Making Contribution to a Thread that Started With Ding Dong The Witch is Dead and Goes on to Suggest that You can only be Triumphant if You Knocked Her off argument, because the former is a step too far.
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@Evangeline:
Really? That's Easter Day fucked then.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Did anyone hear David Cameron on the radio this morning? He was bloody insufferable.
Yep. I turned him off.
But now I see they have 2 full hours of funeral broadcast, and not just on Radio 5 Live, but also on Radio 4. There goes Woman's Hour and Comedy Before Midday. - Or do they?
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Anselmina
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Did anyone hear David Cameron on the radio this morning? He was bloody insufferable.
What? Even more than usual?
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deano
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
What is the essential difference between wearing red/turning the back/downloading ding dong/ringing bells and spitting in Scargill's beer?
Three of those are legitimate forms of creative non-violent protest and one is a crude unpleasant personal assault?
What do I win?
Almost.
Three of them are unimaginative, derivative, offensive and uncalled for at a funeral. That's socialists for you, no sense of decorum.
It seems that the socialists have been taking lessons from the Phelps clan. How ironic.
The other one is mighty satisfying and funny.
Almost as funny as the 1984 Spitting Image sketch of a bluebottle wading in shit before treading over a piece of bread and butter. The bread and butter were then eaten by A. Scargill.
Said bluebottle then returns to Mrs Thatcher's arm (like a trained hawk), and stroking it gently, she says "He'll eat a lot more of that before I've finished with him". Priceless.
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QLib
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
What is the essential difference between wearing red/turning the back/downloading ding dong/ringing bells and spitting in Scargill's beer?
Three of those are legitimate forms of creative non-violent protest and one is a crude unpleasant personal assault?
Three of them are unimaginative, derivative, offensive and uncalled for at a funeral. That's socialists for you, no sense of decorum.
There is no reason why protest shouldn't follow tradition. If people choose to turn a funeral into a public spectacle then they have to take their chances on a public response. Turning one's back seems to me very restrained and dignified.
Of course, I don't expect you to agree, but then I doubt if even people who agree with you care what you think, because you're such a twat. The people accusing you of trolling are paying you the compliment of assuming that you can't be as stupid as you pretend to be.
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Penny S
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
What is the essential difference between wearing red/turning the back/downloading ding dong/ringing bells and spitting in Scargill's beer?
Three of those are legitimate forms of creative non-violent protest and one is a crude unpleasant personal assault?
What do I win?
Almost.
Three of them are unimaginative, derivative, offensive and uncalled for at a funeral. That's socialists for you, no sense of decorum.
It seems that the socialists have been taking lessons from the Phelps clan. How ironic.
The other one is mighty satisfying and funny.
Almost as funny as the 1984 Spitting Image sketch of a bluebottle wading in shit before treading over a piece of bread and butter. The bread and butter were then eaten by A. Scargill.
Said bluebottle then returns to Mrs Thatcher's arm (like a trained hawk), and stroking it gently, she says "He'll eat a lot more of that before I've finished with him". Priceless.
Biological warfare is a) OK, and b) funny?
I saw Scargill once. I was on a train to Durham for an OU summer school. I had upgraded for the price of £1 to first class, because there was no room in 2nd. I found a seat opposite a person who looked like a tramp (with very good shoes) because it was the only empty seat there. Available, that is. Over the aisle was a set of two or three seats occupied by someone wo looked vaguely familiar and his wife. He sat with his feet on the seat opposite, and sent his wife to get coffee for him. I didn't realise who it was until someone came up and obsequised at him about how wonderful his defence of the miners was. I formed an opinion of him there and then. He got off at Doncaster, and a man who had been sitting on the seat behind him got off too, though by a different door, a man who looked like an army officer in mufti from his bearing, and I wondered if he was either a minder or a watcher.
I now suspect that there was more than mere bossiness that made him send his wife for the coffee.
If you don't know that's just plain nasty, deano, it's clear you don't think the same way as other people here.
But then, it is apparent, and with scientific backing, that people who identify themselves as right wing do not use their brains in the same ways as people who identify themselves as left wing, so it isn't surprising that what seems obvious to one sort is not obvious to another.
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la vie en rouge
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Did anyone hear David Cameron on the radio this morning? He was bloody insufferable.
What? Even more than usual?
Yep. This morning he managed to reach brand new heights of pomposity while saying virtually nothing at all. It was that posh condescending headmaster thing on a whole other level.
(Although in the interests of political balance I should note that he still didn't manage to make me yell at the radio in anything like the sort of rage that immediately consumes me any time Tony Blair comes on. I swear you can SEE the bugger smirking through the radio. Equal opportunity breakfast time fury, that's me.)
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argona
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Depressingly, the antidote to Headmaster Cameron has become Nigel Farrage. Have I spelled his name right? Do I care?
Are these end-times?
Fortunately, I remember the eighties. David Owen. Repeat that name to yourself. David Owen. David Owen. All things will pass.
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argona
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And another thing... no, I'm not a Greek taxi driver (another eighties reference for my contemporaries).
But in the eighties, it did seem to me that people got just... ruder. In the street, on the road... something was breaking down. An absence of courtesy, consideration. I thought at the time, is this Thatcherism in practice? Social parameters set by politics?
And now, last couple of years it's felt the same. Today, I was struggling up the road laden with bags of shopping, someone barged into me, knocked me sideways so I nearly dropped the lot, he just walked on without a glance back. Such things seem to be happening all the time now. Am I an old fart reminiscing through rose glasses at times passed? Or do right-wing governments legitimise being a pig?
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Anglican't
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In case you missed it (the Guardian doesn't appear to have reported it) Lady Thatcher's '£10 million pound funeral' appears to have cost, erm, £1,205,809.
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Uncle Pete
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That's still 1,200,000 too much.
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Albertus
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Spot on. She was too divisive a figure to have received a funeral of that kind. End of.
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Stercus Tauri
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Droll, isn't it? The government chases people down without mercy if they are suspected of being undeserving of a few pounds worth of benefits, yet the person whose government made life hell for so many of them for so long, gets one of the most extravagant welfare payouts in history. I am fairly sure that the proceeds of her estate could easily have covered the private funeral that was all her family and friends needed.
But there's never any sense in these things. The deluge of official grief when Ronald Reagan died was not much different.
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Alwyn
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
In case you missed it (the Guardian doesn't appear to have reported it) Lady Thatcher's '£10 million pound funeral' appears to have cost, erm, £1,205,809.
I guess The Sun, in their eagerness to take a swipe at Lefties, missed this report published in The Guardian in April, quoting Downing Street's estimate of £3.6 million. The £3.6 million included £2 million in opportunity costs and £1.1 million in "providing additional security and policing for the ceremony and funeral procession". Maybe the estimate of £1,100,000 turned out to be £1,205,809? If so, then I am shocked, shocked that The Guardian didn't treat the difference between the estimate and the actual figure as a Major News Event ![[Biased]](wink.gif) .
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