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Uh oh. Is no prophet pissed?
Parse that, fuckstard.
By, the way... who is Indifferently?
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Trying to be the language police in Hell is a Sisyphean task. And I don't give a fuck whether you have to google Sisyphean.
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Trying to be the language police in Hell is a Sisyphean task. And I don't give a fuck whether you have to google Sisyphean.
"whether you have to google Sisyphean"..... or what?
Unless you meant "if you have to google Sisyphean", of course.
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By the FSM I hope that was intentionally ironic...
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Originally posted by RooK:
By, the way... who is Indifferently?
There is a world outside hell ya know.
You should try it some time.
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His possibly-feigned indifference to Indifferently notwithstanding, I would trust that RooK''s position as Admin gives him a better view of the Ship's world outside He'll than is available to you, Evensong.
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Originally posted by Organ Builder:
Ship's world outside He'll
Turn off autocorrect, you loser.
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Plique-à-jour
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I sympathise with anyone who gets bullied. Even those who might be bullies themselves if they got the chance.
The Church of England seems to be run by people who hold anyone who can bothered to turn up in contempt. They want the mainstream audience, and the mainstream audience don't give a fuck. Going there, knowing your church history - if I remember rightly, Indifferently is, like me, a convert - only to find that the church themselves no longer know or care... I can see how that would make you angry.
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Originally posted by Plique-à-jour:
The Church of England seems to be run by people who hold anyone who can bothered to turn up in contempt. They want the mainstream audience, and the mainstream audience don't give a fuck. Going there, knowing your church history - if I remember rightly, Indifferently is, like me, a convert - only to find that the church themselves no longer know or care... I can see how that would make you angry.
Ah, the whiff of a condemnatory generalization so universal as to be utterly worthless! Restores your faith in laziness and unthinking cynicism.
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Plique-à-jour
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Well, how many churches should a person attend, and see this, before they've got a representative sample? To paraphrase Dodsworth, self-abnegation has to end somewhere short of self-harm.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
You can dress it up as you want, but fucktard means fucking retard and insults some people as badly as nigger would others.
This is true. Just looking at the context in which this word became popular makes it obvious that this is how it originated and what it means. Of course, not everyone knows/accepts this, and many may not intend this meaning when they use it - just like there are some people who use 'gay' as an insult, meaning 'stupid', and insist it has nothing to do with any other meaning of 'gay'. And people who use 'mong' as in insult, insisting it has nothing to do with people who have Down Syndrome. Whether or not this is considered acceptable here, I have no idea - I understand this is Hell, so insults are to be expected - but no prophet is completely correct in what s/he says, and since no one else was saying so, I am saying it.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Dipship.
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Anselmina
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Originally posted by Plique-à-jour:
Well, how many churches should a person attend, and see this, before they've got a representative sample?
I have no idea. The notion that my fellowship with other Christians should be regarded as a series of 'representative samples' upon which I base an ultimate conclusion of either total approval or total condemnation is completely new to me. However, I can understand the temptation to take one's disillusionment with an imperfect thing, and make it the basis for viewing one's whole relationship with it.
I would be inclined to think that if my experience of the CofE were so uniformly dismal
that perhaps I'm not really meant to be a member of the CofE. I would also be inclined not to think that that was entirely the fault of everybody and everything in the CofE, if this were so.
Personally, I've always found it to be a mixed bag with the good outweighing the bad.
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What if I don't orfeo?
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
What if I don't orfeo?
And what if you do?
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Well we know the answer to THAT Johnny English.
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Originally posted by passer:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Trying to be the language police in Hell is a Sisyphean task. And I don't give a fuck whether you have to google Sisyphean.
"whether you have to google Sisyphean"..... or what?
Unless you meant "if you have to google Sisyphean", of course.
Whether... Or not.
I'd quite like to shoot you, right about now. Just so you know.
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Plique-à-jour
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
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Originally posted by Plique-à-jour:
Well, how many churches should a person attend, and see this, before they've got a representative sample?
I have no idea. The notion that my fellowship with other Christians should be regarded as a series of 'representative samples' upon which I base an ultimate conclusion of either total approval or total condemnation is completely new to me. However, I can understand the temptation to take one's disillusionment with an imperfect thing, and make it the basis for viewing one's whole relationship with it.
I would be inclined to think that if my experience of the CofE were so uniformly dismal
that perhaps I'm not really meant to be a member of the CofE. I would also be inclined not to think that that was entirely the fault of everybody and everything in the CofE, if this were so.
Personally, I've always found it to be a mixed bag with the good outweighing the bad.
I don't proceed in terms of representative samples myself. You said I was making a generalisation. My question was: how much data would it need to be based on to become a well-founded observation? I am not new to the CofE. My experience has not been uniformally dismal. At one point I was giving it hundreds of hours a year of my time and effort in every imaginable voluntary capacity. But where I live now, not only isn't there a decent preacher in the diocese, there doesn't seem to be one who's even trying. The only impassioned thing I've heard in a pulpit here was a volley of unChristian spite that kept me away from any CofE establishment for a year. Worship is uniformly middle-of-the-road and low-energy. The musical standard is a disgrace. Willingness to turn up seems to be nine-tenths of what got these people ordained, and with one exception, they turn up five minutes before kick-off and only talk to their mates afterwards. I could tell you dozens of stories, but I don't want to make the place identifiable.
The people who make all this possible, the churchwardens, the readers, the volunteers, are all as good as they always are, in my experience, in the CofE. These people care, and they are welcoming and engaged, doing most of the work. The point is, the general standard remains poor because nobody who cares has the authority to improve it, and nobody who has the authority to improve it cares. Laziness and unthinking cynicism is precisely what I observe in these places. People who come to church will come whether you do a good job or not, so why worry? It's the logic of an abusive relationship - if you're with me, the loser of the world, you must be scum, so I'll treat you however I like. That's the Church of England now.
Meanwhile, the people who don't come to church are Goldenbollocks. They're the people we need to tailor our services to, the ones whose approval we crave. I come from an atheist background, I know how atheists frame religion when they aren't being tolerant for the benefit of the religious - the mandate of mainstream status the Church of England once enjoyed will never come again.
The question for me became: is it worth coming here to see the piss being taken every week? For me, the answer was no, not really. It's not everybody and everything, just the people who run it.
I don't regard myself as no longer an Anglican, I just regard myself as an Anglican who can't get decent worship. I know it can be good, but it can also worse than anything anyone with influence cared about would ever be likely to.
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Plique-à-jour
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That's GET worse. Get worse than anything anyone with influence cared about would ever be likely to.
So, I can understand a certain amount of anger.
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Originally posted by Fineline:
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Originally posted by no prophet:
You can dress it up as you want, but fucktard means fucking retard and insults some people as badly as nigger would others.
This is true. Just looking at the context in which this word became popular makes it obvious that this is how it originated and what it means. Of course, not everyone knows/accepts this, and many may not intend this meaning when they use it - just like there are some people who use 'gay' as an insult, meaning 'stupid', and insist it has nothing to do with any other meaning of 'gay'. And people who use 'mong' as in insult, insisting it has nothing to do with people who have Down Syndrome. Whether or not this is considered acceptable here, I have no idea - I understand this is Hell, so insults are to be expected - but no prophet is completely correct in what s/he says, and since no one else was saying so, I am saying it.
Etymology is not meaning. A word can have originated as one thing, and now be used to mean something else. (Unless you think that people who say "that movie is so gay" are complaining about how happy and lively it was...)
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Originally posted by Plique-à-jour:
I don't regard myself as no longer an Anglican, I just regard myself as an Anglican who can't get decent worship. I know it can be good, but it can also worse than anything anyone with influence cared about would ever be likely to.
I guess you're just in for a world of pain, then.
As Wordsworth said, I'd rather be a Pagan suckled on a creed outworn, than put up with 'church' as you describe it.
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Plique-à-jour
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Oh, but I stopped putting up with it! I just stay away. I've been going to services of another denomination occasionally, and loving them, and I go to weekday sermonless no-frills eucharists occasionally, where there's nothing to foul up, or perhaps, let's say, where their minimal effort goes well with the desired simplicity. I regard myself as an Anglican who can't get decent worship, but I don't feel I'm missing out when I stay home on Sunday, because there's nothing worth attending I could physically get to at present.
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Originally posted by St Deird:
Etymology is not meaning. A word can have originated as one thing, and now be used to mean something else. (Unless you think that people who say "that movie is so gay" are complaining about how happy and lively it was...)
Of course words change meaning over time. But fucktard is pretty recent as a term, and really hasn't had chance to change. People are generally aware that it's developed as an amalgamation of 'fucking retard', because its development has been in the past few years.
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Originally posted by Plique-à-jour:
. I regard myself as an Anglican who can't get decent worship,
I didn't think worship was something we got, rather something we offered.
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I offer worship every day. You read my entire post and you thought it was important you put me in my place with a funny? I am not a bad Christian for not offering myself up to witness shoddy work done by bored and intellectually dishonest people.
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So why are you a bad Christian?
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I refuse to equate humility with making excuses for the misuse of earthly authority. We know where that leads.
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I am not a bad Christian for not offering myself up to witness shoddy work done by bored and intellectually dishonest people.
AFAIK immodesty isn't a sin but its awfully tiresome.
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Where is the immodesty in anything I've said here?
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Where is the immodesty in anything I've said here?
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"I offer worship every day. You read my entire post and you thought it was important you put me in my place with a funny? I am not a bad Christian for not offering myself up to witness shoddy work done by bored and intellectually dishonest people."
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"I refuse to equate humility with making excuses for the misuse of earthly authority. We know where that leads."
If you can't recognise immodesty in those posts then it is all but assured.
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Oh wow, you're really equating self-abasement to human authority with humility? Amazing.
So however bad a job someone does, it's out of line for anyone to follow their conscience in reacting to that. Forever and ever.
I can't agree.
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I think what Sioni Sais is saying is, "So you think you are all that?"
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That only makes any sense if you assume my complaints can't be valid because they're priests.
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I mean, there is a difference between well and badly done ritual, music, preaching, etc., you know? I have enough experience on both sides of the chancel step to be confident in my judgement of the difference. Refusing to accept a fucking chiding for expressing this judgement is not immodesty.
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Sioni Sais
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I mean, there is a difference between well and badly done ritual, music, preaching, etc., you know? I have enough experience on both sides of the chancel step to be confident in my judgement of the difference. Refusing to accept a fucking chiding for expressing this judgement is not immodesty.
I suppose my beef in all of this is: just how much does that hour or two on a Sunday morning (plus perhaps another meeting at some other time during the week) really matter to you? Is that the extent of your faith? If so, you have a serious problem because it is outside your control.
The remaining 165 (or so) of 168 hours a week your "Christian Experience" is hardly affected, except by worrying about what goes on in the shack.
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Some of you are being damn nitpicky with plique-a-jour. and I don't often go around taking issue with Hell attacks.
And you know what?i can totally understand that stuff mattering. I don't have a church or service I can call 'home' right now, and it sucks. And I couldn't just settle for any old service as if the nature of the experience I have on a Sunday didn't matter to me.
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I'm 50 miles and a 27 hour round trip from the nearest Anglican church. I'd be overjoyed to be able to share in Holy Communion regularly, even carried out in the slightly ham-fisted way it can be in the CofE. Excellent preaching and thoughtful liturgy and beautiful music are beneficial and pleasant, but they pale in comparison to the fact of the Eucharistic celebration.
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How dare I uphold the teaching and doctrine of the Ancient Catholic Church according to the Reformed and Protestant Church of England. The BCP and Articles are not inspired of themselves but derive their infallible authority from the Scriptures and the Fathers interpreting the same.
Being bullied is par for the course if you are an orthodox Christian believer in the C of E today.
But let's not be too scruputous. Our faith is all about bringing people to salvation through Jesus: "If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins."
But this is a very mean spirited thread.
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How dare I uphold the teaching and doctrine of the Ancient Catholic Church according to the Reformed and Protestant Church of England. The BCP and Articles are not inspired of themselves but derive their infallible authority from the Scriptures and the Fathers interpreting the same.
Seriously?
The BCP and Articles are infallible? Seriously?
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Maybe it's a mirror.
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Originally posted by Indifferently:
How dare I uphold the teaching and doctrine of the Ancient Catholic Church according to the Reformed and Protestant Church of England. The BCP and Articles are not inspired of themselves but derive their infallible authority from the Scriptures and the Fathers interpreting the same.
Being bullied is par for the course if you are an orthodox Christian believer in the C of E today.
But let's not be too scruputous. Our faith is all about bringing people to salvation through Jesus: "If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins."
But this is a very mean spirited thread.
I've stood up for orthodox belief and Anglicanism on these boards many times, Indifferently, and I think you are a hateful, narrow-minded idiot and a bigot.
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Mean spirited even.
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I'm 50 miles and a 27 hour round trip from the nearest Anglican church. I'd be overjoyed to be able to share in Holy Communion regularly, even carried out in the slightly ham-fisted way it can be in the CofE. Excellent preaching and thoughtful liturgy and beautiful music are beneficial and pleasant, but they pale in comparison to the fact of the Eucharistic celebration.
I am blessed by having a nearby church with beautiful music and excellent preaching. However, I agree with Arethosemyfeet that the Eucharist is what really matters.
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Originally posted by Indifferently:
How dare I uphold the teaching and doctrine of the Ancient Catholic Church according to the Reformed and Protestant Church of England. The BCP and Articles are not inspired of themselves but derive their infallible authority from the Scriptures and the Fathers interpreting the same.
Being bullied is par for the course if you are an orthodox Christian believer in the C of E today.
But let's not be too scruputous. Our faith is all about bringing people to salvation through Jesus: "If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins."
But this is a very mean spirited thread.
I've stood up for orthodox belief and Anglicanism on these boards many times, Indifferently, and I think you are a hateful, narrow-minded idiot and a bigot.
Judge not and ye shall not be judged.
Sorry, that's another anachronism the Authorized Version, the only reliable English-language translation of the scriptures, ousted from our churches because it actually renders the Gospel as intended unlike liberal heretical bibles like NRSV and The Message.
But I fail to see how it is I that is the bigot when I have thus far refrained from hateful personal attacks like your post above.
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But I fail to see how it is I that is the bigot when I have thus far refrained from hateful personal attacks like your post above.
It's Hell little one. By posting here you paint a big target on your ample backside.
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Originally posted by Zach82:
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Originally posted by Indifferently:
How dare I uphold the teaching and doctrine of the Ancient Catholic Church according to the Reformed and Protestant Church of England. The BCP and Articles are not inspired of themselves but derive their infallible authority from the Scriptures and the Fathers interpreting the same.
Being bullied is par for the course if you are an orthodox Christian believer in the C of E today.
But let's not be too scruputous. Our faith is all about bringing people to salvation through Jesus: "If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins."
But this is a very mean spirited thread.
I've stood up for orthodox belief and Anglicanism on these boards many times, Indifferently, and I think you are a hateful, narrow-minded idiot and a bigot.
Judge not and ye shall not be judged.
Sorry, that's another anachronism the Authorized Version, the only reliable English-language translation of the scriptures, ousted from our churches because it actually renders the Gospel as intended unlike liberal heretical bibles like NRSV and The Message.
But I fail to see how it is I that is the bigot when I have thus far refrained from hateful personal attacks like your post above.
The Message is a paraphrase, it's not intended to be a Bible. Paraphrases of the Bible were common in medieval times, The Message is just an up-to-date version.
I have certainly never seen The Message being used in churches. Most Anglican churches use the NIV, with some higher churches using the NRSV.
I must say I'm surprised that people as conservative as yourself are in favour of the AV, considering that notorious homosexual James I was behind it, and supposedly Shakespeare (almost certainly at least bisexual) was brought in to bring some of the Psalms into shape. But then I guess for you, James I had Divine Right....did that include the right to have Scripture interpreted for political reasons? Using 'Easter' instead of Passover seems incredibly political.
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Elsewhere he babbleth:
"Sexism? Where exactly does this anti-Marxist thought crime appear in the Bible?
Leftists showing their hand again - all the arguments for priestesses and bishopesses have to be secular because the Catholic argument for it is completely non-existent. This is nothing but a Marxist infiltration job and I for one am not fooled."
From which we learn that Indifferently doesn't see anything wrong with sexism, so back to the kitchen you Marxist God-hater and be about your wenchly duties!
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I was under the impression that 'priestess' and 'bishopess' to describe female priests and bishops was not looked upon kindly on the Ship?
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Elsewhere he babbleth:
"Sexism? Where exactly does this anti-Marxist thought crime appear in the Bible?
Leftists showing their hand again - all the arguments for priestesses and bishopesses have to be secular because the Catholic argument for it is completely non-existent. This is nothing but a Marxist infiltration job and I for one am not fooled."
From which we learn that Indifferently doesn't see anything wrong with sexism, so back to the kitchen you Marxist God-hater and be about your wenchly duties!
You'd think that a member of the Anglican church would value anyone but women in the kitchen, going by our coffee....
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