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leo
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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Originally posted by leo:
What an exciting final.
And ENGLISHman David Cameron was cheering for Murray.
Ahem: "I'm a Cameron, there is quite a lot of Scottish blood flowing through these veins" (BBC Sunday AM, 25/6/2006).
Another one they can have back.
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Scottish independence terrifies me.
Think I would want to move to Scotland if they'd have me. They are far more enlightened up there.
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Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Given that most Tories are staunch Unionists, it's strange how people say this and then in the next breath claim that Tories are motivated solely by greed and self-interest.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Given that most Tories are staunch Unionists, it's strange how people say this and then in the next breath claim that Tories are motivated solely by greed and self-interest.
Bloodymindedness and haughty disregard for those they regard as "unworthy" as well, IME. The former probably explains the Unionism.
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
Given that most Tories are staunch Unionists, it's strange how people say this and then in the next breath claim that Tories are motivated solely by greed and self-interest.
Depends on which Union though, doesn't it? If we're talking about a Union of the once independent nations of England, Wales and Scotland (and, Northern Ireland which has a much more complex history and the Conservatives don't stand for election anyway) then the Tories get out their flags and wave them triumphantly. If we're talking about a Union with other nations in Europe ... well, then the flags disappear and the cheers turn to boos.
Nothing, I'm sure, with the fact that in a United Kingdom of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland the Conservative Party has a very strong chance of governing, and even when they narrowly miss the mark are a very strong opposition, and hence wield considerable power and influence over the regions of the Union who predominantly vote for other parties. But, in a Union with other European nations they'd be playing second fiddle in uneasy political alliances with nations who are not going to stand being bossed around by English Tories.
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Anglican't
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I can't see how one could possibly begin to compare the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Union.
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Anglican't
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Also, I think the Conservatives have been the only party that has stood for election in all four parts of the Kingdom (though in Northern Ireland they have been in an electoral alliance with the Ulster Unionists since c. 2009 - 10, I think).
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Tennis is for wimps and small minds.
The irony is choking.
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Ceannaideach
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Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us. But Britain is 3 celtic countries run by one better country in order to ensure the 3 celtic countries are not royally fucked over by England like they have been for the last few millenia, and they want to throw it away the ungrateful wankers.
They've never been any use unless sucking at Englands tit, so fuck them, fuck Murray, fuck every jock everywhere. If they want independance, all it means is that we don't have to worry about shafting them.
As someone descended in equal parts from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales: Fuck you, you arrogant bastard.
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shamwari
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Firenze asks for some evidence that Novak was "playing up" ( my words)
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
Nothing reminded me so much as the occasion when Christiano Ronaldo in a football match managed to get an opponent given a red card for a "foul" for a tackle on him. And his very public wink to the bench when the red card was issued.
Different game. Same response. Novak simply did not play to his normal best -- for whatever reason. Three times when given a simple overhead smash into an open court he played the ball back to Andy who capitalised and won a totally undeserved point.
Not to mention the number of times Novak played the fool following a drop shot and gave Andy a simple reply.
Andy was brilliant. Novak was ??????
I was left wondering about a "Fix"
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
[ 08. July 2013, 20:06: Message edited by: shamwari ]
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'twere the Illuminati, innit.
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Originally posted by Ceannaideach:
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Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
Today I saw that it actually hadn't been 77 years since a Brit won Wimbledon, despite what was said at the awards ceremony on Sunday. Has there been any discussion over there of Virginia Wade?
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OK shamwari, you want evidence. The head to head record between Djokovic and Murray is now 11-7, in the Serb's favour, but on grass he hasn't taken a set off Murray. Their only previous meeting on grass was at Wimbledon in the Olympic semi-final which Murray won 7-5, 7-5. This match followed that pattern.
Move along people, there's nothing to see.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Move along people, there's nothing to see.
Until next year.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze asks for some evidence that Novak was "playing up" ( my words)
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
Nothing reminded me so much as the occasion when Christiano Ronaldo in a football match managed to get an opponent given a red card for a "foul" for a tackle on him. And his very public wink to the bench when the red card was issued.
That's really flimsy evidence. In football, there are reasons for fouling. A "good" foul will prevent something from happening that you don't want to happen (a score, a set up, etc.).
Novak may have been trying to set up Murray. He might have been laughing at his own problems. Or he might have been telling himself to calm down and not get angry as it wouldn't help him. I doubt any of us really know what was going on through his mind at the time.
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Different game. Same response. Novak simply did not play to his normal best -- for whatever reason. Three times when given a simple overhead smash into an open court he played the ball back to Andy who capitalised and won a totally undeserved point.
Not to mention the number of times Novak played the fool following a drop shot and gave Andy a simple reply.
Andy was brilliant. Novak was ??????
Back to "Shit happens". Are you having a hard time getting that even the #1 player in the world can have an off day/hour/morning/set/match/game?? Is Novak some kind of robot/computer? (And if so, is that legal in Wimbledon?)
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I was left wondering about a "Fix"
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
No one wins all the time. That's why they play the match. In your world there is no reason to even play the game (or watch), you already know who will win.
Remind me not to have you watch the USA's free for all called the NCAA basketball tournament. Your poor mind would be blown that we don't actually believe #1 will play #2 by the end of it.
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quetzalcoatl
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Actually, the conspiracy is even worse than that - for in this tournament, Serena Williams, Nadal, Federer, Radwanska, Sharapova, were all beaten by lower-ranked players. Clearly the only explanation for this is some kind of chicanery, as there is no other possible explanation, especially as this has never happened before in tennis history!
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
You will see what you want to see. It's not what I or millions of others saw. And speaking of seeing, it is to be hoped that Mr Djokovic's lawyers don't read this site. (Do you actually care that you are slandering someone?)
As for a 'thing' - it's not so much your invariably pessimistic and cynical viewpoint: that could be down to innate temperament. Some are born to endless night. It is rather that you make no attempt at rational response. Your 'evidence' amounts to 'I seed the way he looked and I knowed what it meant' . Nothing about how you can 'buy' a multimillionaire. No sane rationale as to why.
You are being, quite literally, evil-minded - and projecting that evil on to other people.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
I'm guessing 17+ million people saw it. Djokovic is know for his smile but don't let that stop you spinning your crazy theories.
The point about Wade is worth making. Although the Beeb commentators have been careful to talk about the first male singles champion since Perry, all that talk about a 77 year wait does seem to imply nothing else counts. In fact Marray (British, male) won the Men's Doubles in 2012 with a Danish partner, and Murray's elder brother, Jamie, won the Mixed Doubles in 2007 with a Serbian partner.
eta: X-posted with Firenze
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Ceannaideach:
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Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
Today I saw that it actually hadn't been 77 years since a Brit won Wimbledon, despite what was said at the awards ceremony on Sunday. Has there been any discussion over there of Virginia Wade?
This article addresses that point.
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Originally posted by deano:
... I hate the scotch, they hate us ...
Not all of us - I'm Scottish and I like the English so much I married one of them. But if all Englishmen talked such complete bollocks as you do, could you blame us?
As for the tennis and Mr. Murray's achievement, I've been merrily cheering for whoever Britain's Next Great Hope has been for the last thirty-odd years, no matter what part of the country he came from.
Would you care to subtract his Olympic gold (and those of Sir Chris Hoy and any others who come from north of the border) from Great Britain's tally just because they were won for Great Britain by Scots?
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Welease Woderwick
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shamwari, dear sweet lovable shamwari - were you born this stupid or have you been taking lessons?
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
I can't see how one could possibly begin to compare the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Union.
Why not? OK, apart from the fact that the EU isn't a union ... but, could quite reasonably be so in the future.
The UK consists of four previously independent nations which had their own governments, their own currencies, their own languages and cultures (and, in most cases, regional variations in culture and language within each nation). Over a period of time each nation was assimilated into a Union where the national differences were slowly eroded, although recently through devolution some of those differences were re-established (albeit in different forms than before Union). In the case of Scotland, we've maintained our own legal and education systems and printed our own bank notes (legal tender south of the border).
A potential greater (in terms of stronger ties between current nations, rather than necessarily encompassing more nations) European Union could easily be envisaged. It would also take previously independent nation states with their own governments, languages and cultures (just as England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland had been before Union) - although now not their own currencies (except for the Brits).
The two scenarios seem entirely equivalent with the exception of scale. But, that's relative. In 1707 the effective distance between London and Edinburgh (eg: how much time and effort it took to get from one to the other) was far more than the equivalent effective distance between any major European city today. Which is why it seems bizarre to be in favour of maintaining a Union in Britain yet opposed to a Union in Europe.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The UK consists of four previously independent nations which had their own governments, their own currencies, their own languages and cultures (and, in most cases, regional variations in culture and language within each nation). Over a period of time each nation was assimilated into a Union where the national differences were slowly eroded...
Yes, and many in Ireland, Wales and Scotland have never forgiven the English for doing it to them.
Now, if you were proposing an EU that happened along the same lines as the UK - with every other country becoming more and more like England over time - then I'd be far more in favour of it. But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
Of course, I'm also in favour of Scottish independence. And Catalan independence. And Cornish independence, should they ever become serious about wanting it. IMO, when it comes to countries small is beautiful.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
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You say that like it's a bad thing. When do we get the Wirtschaftswunder and the fancy cuisine?
(Btw, don't you love how this thread has blossomed since planted - and manured - by deano? Sport, politics, mad conspiracy theories - it's got it all).
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You forgot Québec. ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
shamwari, dear sweet lovable shamwari - were you born this stupid or have you been taking lessons?
No doubt setting up the blog, the FB page etc to prove the theory that the match was fixed with riveting point by point analysis as we speak and talking to Channel 5 about a documentary. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Millions of people - some of whom actually know shit about tennis - noticed that Murray is a very good tennis player, has spent the last few years training damn hard, improved a great deal, beaten the same bloke previously and won other grand slams. They believe that winning Wimbledon was a reward for all that hard work and that Murray may well win other grand slams for the same reasons.
But all that counts for nothing in the eyes of shamwari. Who watched the match and knows It Was A Fix. shamwari, you make Emily sound sensible.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Ceannaideach:
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Originally posted by deano:
The only way this could be useful is if Kate has a baby BOY,
As a woman, fuck you, you sexist twat.
Today I saw that it actually hadn't been 77 years since a Brit won Wimbledon, despite what was said at the awards ceremony on Sunday. Has there been any discussion over there of Virginia Wade?
I couldn't speak for what has been discussed 'over there' but 'over here' [NZ] all the reporting I've heard/read has been reasonably clear about the 77 years since a male Wimbledon champion. Which is something.
I'm not in the least bit interested in tennis myself, but I watched coverage of the win on the sports news, and I thought it was interesting that the footage showed folks of all kind and classes and wallet capacity and background dancing around in euphoria at the win. Not all in the same place, of course - that would be too much to hope for - but if it has some unifying effect, that's not a bad thing, ISTM.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The UK consists of four previously independent nations which had their own governments, their own currencies, their own languages and cultures (and, in most cases, regional variations in culture and language within each nation)...
I think that 'own government' may be overstating it a bit in the case of Wales. AIUI pre-Union Wales was a collection of local regimes which guarded their independence fiercely while simultaneously struggling to lord it over their neighbours, with relationships marked by intense parochialism, mistrust, and mutual backstabbing, and coming together only in opposition to the English. Whereas modern Wales is, um,....
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us. But Britain is 3 celtic countries run by one better country in order to ensure the 3 celtic countries are not royally fucked over by England like they have been for the last few millenia, and they want to throw it away the ungrateful wankers.
They've never been any use unless sucking at Englands tit, so fuck them, fuck Murray, fuck every jock everywhere. If they want independance, all it means is that we don't have to worry about shafting them.
I know this is hell, but honestly - you should be ashamed of yourself. Try expressing the same sort of sentiments as above, but substitute 'negro' or 'Jew' for 'Scot', and ask yourself if it feels acceptable. And don't try and argue that it isn't the same kind of thing - it is.
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Well, it was their own government ... even if decentralised and somewhat haphazard.
But, I realise I'm turning all Purgatorial. So, I'm off to do the right thing. If you want to follow the conversation I'll be setting up a thread in Purg shortly.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by PeteC:
You forgot Québec.
I'm sure I forgot a lot of places. Take them all as read.
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What I did notice, shamwari, was the way Murray had three championship points - and Djokovich demolished them all. Hardly the sign of someone who deliberately wanted to lose.
But guess you were too busy updating your conspiracy theory file at the time - putting Murray in alongside the moon landings, Kennedy's assassination and Princess Di.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
If I wanted to be French or German I'd move to Lyon or Frankfurt.
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Tennis is for wimps and small minds.
Bring on The Ashes!
And I hope you enjoy them. That is, if you're a masochist. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Well I'm hoping for a few scots on the English side so youse can all implode.
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Yes, of course, that would explain why the United Kingdom was so spectacularly unsuccessful in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Firenze asks for some evidence that Novak was "playing up" ( my words)
Did she see the two occasions when Novak lost a simple point and then walked back to the service line with a "knowing smile" creased across his face?
Nothing reminded me so much as the occasion when Christiano Ronaldo in a football match managed to get an opponent given a red card for a "foul" for a tackle on him. And his very public wink to the bench when the red card was issued.
Different game. Same response. Novak simply did not play to his normal best -- for whatever reason. Three times when given a simple overhead smash into an open court he played the ball back to Andy who capitalised and won a totally undeserved point.
Not to mention the number of times Novak played the fool following a drop shot and gave Andy a simple reply.
Andy was brilliant. Novak was ??????
I was left wondering about a "Fix"
Maybe the blinkered Firenze can explain that, Assuming she watched the match and was not simply doing her normal "thing" of abusing my post.
You have, of course, shared this water-tight evidence of a potential match throwing conspiracy with your friends, family and the local constabulary so action can be taken haven't you? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by deano:
He's two sets up! Okay I hate tennis but I hate Murray more.
He is an anti-English wanker and I'd rather have somebody from a no-name-muddy-field-istan like whoever-he's-playing-ovich than an anti-English Scotch
I'm sorry but having seen the BBC documentary about Murray I had to return to this comment.
Of course anyone who doesn't know the difference between Scotch and Scots is either terminally stupid or wilfully ignorant and so I shouldn't expect much but...
AM, once said "He'd support any football team playing England" this comment arose in banter, in a conversation with Tim Henman in which they'd been teasing each other over football and was clearly meant in jest. It was then picked up and distorted by the malignant British media and resulted in Murray receiving hate-mail. I DO marvel at the level of stupidity needed to go from such a story in the press to writing hate-mail but I am grateful to Deano for educating me as to the 'thought-processes' behind it.
Deano, please tell me you're a troll because if you are a pseudo-troll™ then I am really worried. If you really believe what you write, I think you need help.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
IMO, when it comes to countries small is beautiful.
Only countries then, is it? Heightist meanie.
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Arethosemyfeet
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If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
It's not actually true. There has only been one occasion when a Labour government was dependent on Scottish votes for a majority since WW2, if memory serves.
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Mad Cat
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
But the reality is that England would just end up becoming more French and/or German.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
If I wanted to be French or German I'd move to Lyon or Frankfurt.
Scotland signed the Act of Union for access to trade rights. I think it's legitimate to compare the UK with the EU in that respect. I guess the EU comes freighted with all sorts of stuff that can actually inhibit trade, which is where the analogy breaks down.
Not sure I agree with Alan on the home nations becoming more like each other. If that's the case it's because of our geographical union, and because people inter-marry. The Scotland/England border was ever fluid. My Geordie family are in character very similar to my lowland Scots family. Not sure about those Irish dudes....
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leo
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by leo:
If there were no Scots in the British parliament, we would be permanently condemned to a Tory government. we need the Shortish labour votes to get a majority.
It's not actually true. There has only been one occasion when a Labour government was dependent on Scottish votes for a majority since WW2, if memory serves.
I hope that's right.
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Actually a great big bribe was a large part of cause of the Act of Union.
Along with various other things - defence concerns, depleted treasury, union of crowns, the lowlands being pulled into England's cultural orbit and so on. Access to trade rights was just one of those things.
The big bribe is the cool bit though.
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molopata
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
AM, once said "He'd support any football team playing England" this comment arose in banter, in a conversation with Tim Henman in which they'd been teasing each other over football and was clearly meant in jest. It was then picked up and distorted by the malignant British media and resulted in Murray receiving hate-mail.
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I would put it down to Big Neighbour Syndrom . If Roger Federer were more outspoken, he'd probably be on record for saying "Jede söll gwönne - eifach nid die Dütsche"*, along with pretty much all other German Swiss - who face the additional distress which comes with that fact that the Germans actually do sometimes win tournaments.
As a Scot with a Swiss passport, I feel particularly afflicted when Germany plays England, as they can't both loose. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
*Anyone can win, just not the Germans.
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North East Quine
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(eta - following on from Cod's post)
And Hekla. Had Hekla not erupted continuously for seven months of 1693, would we have had the Union? Although Scotland's crop failure post-Hekla wasn't as severe as that of Sweden (estimated 80,000 dead) Estonia (estimated 70,000 dead) and Finland (estimated 30% of the population died) people were dying in the northern parts of Scotland, too. Scotland had the double whammy of crop failure and economic collapse of some of its trading partners. Scotland was forced to have a poll tax in 1696 (hugely useful source for historians today) to attempt to provide for its hungry people. Scotland was in a bad way by 1707, but the part of its economic collapse caused by the drifting ash from Hekla was just pure bad luck.
[ 09. July 2013, 19:04: Message edited by: North East Quine ]
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Piglet
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us [etc.etc.]...
I know this is hell, but honestly - you should be ashamed of yourself. Try expressing the same sort of sentiments as above, but substitute 'negro' or 'Jew' for 'Scot', and ask yourself if it feels acceptable. And don't try and argue that it isn't the same kind of thing - it is.
Thank you, Anoesis - I couldn't have put it better than that. It drives me up the wall that people can be as rude as they like about the Scots (or the English, for that matter) without fear of any kind of censure.
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Stercus Tauri
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Fortunately, there appears to be an antidote for deano: http://www.beanogas.com/
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Princess Di.
Well. I never saw her in the crowd - must've been banned from the Royal Box for this one.
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