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Conversation elsewhere here, and the astronaut memory - which I don't have - has reminded me of this from the BBC school book.

There are hundreds of sparrows

I particularly like the third verse:

There are hundreds of planets, thousands, millions,
Way out in space each has a place by God's decree;
There are hundreds and thousands, millions of planets,
But God knows every one and God knows me.

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quote:
Originally posted by Avila:

Will your anchor hold i still use occasionally in services but it always reminds me of Boys Brigade services with the Sure and Steadfast link.

Definitely BB! It is, or was, more or less their theme song. We've used it at least once in our church, but some time ago now. I never associated it with Methodists myself.

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In Catholic grammar school during the early Seventies we had lots of hideous hymns for the Folk Masses. Who can forget "Sons of God?"

"Brothers, sisters we are one
And our life has just begun
In the spirit we are young
We can live forever

Songs of God, hear his holy word
Gather 'round the table of the Lord
Eat his body, drink his blood
And we'll sing a song of love
Alleilu, Alleilu, Alleilu, Alleluia"

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:

"He is Lord, he is Lord".

We sang that one yesterday as it happens, but it certainly doesn't come up as often as it used to.
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This may just be an Antipodean thing but during the 70's and 80's a lot of lovely "Scripture in Song" songs were written. Just verses of scripture (obviously) set to music, with the words sometimes rearranged a bit for better scansion. Many of them were very beautiful and worshipful and I miss them. An easy way for memorising Scripture too. They fell out of favour somewhere along the line, possibly replaced by the modern JIMB (Jesus is my boyfriend) song.

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Although "Scripture in Song" did come from Down Under they were certainly popular in Britain. However some were difficult to sing as the Bible text was not always too amenable to being squeezed into the tune! Certainly the Garratts (who were behind SiS) came to the church I then attended early in 1977.

On a different note: when did anyone last hear "Freely, freely"?

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We still sing "freely, freely" at our church - maybe once or twice a year it might appear!

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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
"He gave us eyes to see them
and lips that we might tell ... "
(only two lines and the author died in 1895!),

I think that is the least of that particular hymn's faults. Earlier on it perpetrates smug Victorian all's-well-with-the-worldness at its worst:

"The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate;
God made them high and lowly
And ordered their estate."

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quote:
Originally posted by cosmic dance:
This may just be an Antipodean thing but during the 70's and 80's a lot of lovely "Scripture in Song" songs were written. Just verses of scripture (obviously) set to music, with the words sometimes rearranged a bit for better scansion. Many of them were very beautiful and worshipful and I miss them. An easy way for memorising Scripture too. They fell out of favour somewhere along the line, possibly replaced by the modern JIMB (Jesus is my boyfriend) song.

They were popular in the US also. There was a series of songbooks called Songs of Praise. One of those songs, "Seek Ye First" made it into the 1982 TEC hymnal.

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Thee will I love, my God and king
Thee will I sing, my strength and tower


That's one from Songs of Praise that I've only ever sung at school (at least once a term if not more often), which is a shame because it's quite a good tune. 25 years on I can still hear the Head of Music yelling at us in hymn practice (school singing was taken very seriously) to crescendo through one of the long held notes towards the end... I've never come across it in other hymn books.

And there's a perky little number, Jesus is alive today that goes back even further for me, because I've never heard it since we moved churches when I was seven. I'm not sure that's a bad thing though, as it's exceedingly irritating when it pops into my brain prompted by threads like this.

I don't remember the words of the verses, but the chorus goes like this (in case it rings bells for anyone else):

Jesus is alive today x2
Jesus is alive
Very much alive,
Jesus is alive today

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When I was young, we sang "O Lord I am not worthy" at communion time almost every Sunday. I was always baffled by the second verse, which included the line "No more by sin to grieve thee, or fly thy sweet control." I always pictured the choir flying model airplanes from the choir loft.

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
On a different note: when did anyone last hear "Freely, freely"?

Two weeks ago during the Eucharist in our church. Or was it three weeks? This side of Ascension Day, anyway.

quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
One of those songs, "Seek Ye First" made it into the 1982 TEC hymnal.

If that's the "halle, halle, hallelu, halleluiah" one, its not from IS but Karen Lafferty. And we've also sung it recently. More than once. I think our place must just be rather out-of-date.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
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Originally posted by piglet:
The hymn I miss the most is Thine be the glory to the tune Maccabaeus, not because it's no longer sung, but because it hadn't been written when the hymn-book we use, Common Praise, was published (1938), so it isn't sung here. [Frown]

I thought Maccabaeuswas written by Handel in 1746
I know, but I think either the words hadn't been written, or the two hadn't been put together. Either way, it's not in there ...

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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
... Good argument for replacing your hymn book ...

Sorry for double-post - just noticed Enoch's reply. The 1938 book has been replaced, and the replacement has Thine be the glory, but it also has an awful lot of politically-corrected cr@p, so it's only used for the BAS (modern-words) Eucharist, which doesn't involve the choir, and to which hardly anyone goes. [Big Grin]

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Thank you for all your blogs so far.
2 more I have thought of that I have not sang in years are
Majesty and Turn your eyes opon Jesus.
both good worship songs that seem to be missing in my present Church

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Perhaps the hymn is still sung in England, but "Hark, hark my soul; angelic songs are swelling" seems to have passed from American usage. It had a presence in hymnbooks through the 1950s, then seems to have disappeared. It's still a personal favorite, though.

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When I was a child, one of our congregation's favorite songs was "Christ, the Life of All the Living." Our organist and congregation all loved it, and the church would resound with people enthusiastically singing, "Thousand, thousand thanks shall be/dearest Jesus, unto Thee."

It's not exactly in heavy rotation anymore. I miss it. Especially when I find myself singing some of the twee remedial-kindergarten-teacher/therapist lyrics the editors of the ELW have matched with traditional hymn settings.

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Some while ago I compiled a list of all my favourite hymns and songs. There were 83 hymns and 40 songs, giving a total of 123. I’ve just looked through the list and noted those that I remember singing at some time in the last 20 years, and there were 17, leaving 106 that I haven’t sung in over 20 years.

Of those 17, 6 are traditional carols, which I sing when carol singing at Christmas, and another 3 we sang at my wedding (which is at least a church service where you get to choose your own hymns) leaving a hit rate of 8 hymns that I’ve really enjoyed singing in approx 1000 weeks of Sunday services. That’s not a great proportion... [Frown]

So to answer the OP, I completely agree with Trudy:
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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
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Originally posted by Chamois:
I've always liked "Will your anchor hold in the storms of life?"
A good old Methodist hymn with a stirring tune including some lovely low notes.
Haven't sung it for years and years.

Should come to my church -- I'm relatively certain I've banged that out on the piano within the last two years at most. "We Have An Anchor! That Keeps the Soul!" I love the "Grounded firm and deep" line which includes the low notes you mention. I'm a big fan of the good old hymns in the Methodist tradition.
I was originally brought up in the Methodist Church, but abandoned it for a church with evangelical Bible teaching, and I still miss the old hymns that I haven’t sung for decades, such as:
Christ is risen! Hallelujah!;
Now I have found the ground wherein (to the tune Madrid by Matthews – not on Cyberhymnal); or
O Love that wilt not let me go (to St Margaret);
and I’ve always wanted to sing all twelve verses of my top favourite
The God of Abraham Praise, the lyrics of which have a venerable ancestry.

quote:
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One of my favourites is To thee, O Lord, our hearts we raise , a harvest hymn with a tune by Sullivan. IMO verse 3 is the best ...
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That’s on my favourites list as well – never sung it in church though.

And as mentioned by cosmic dance, there were some good songs in Scripture in Song, some of which were set to tunes in the Hebrew dance style which got faster and faster and were tremendous fun to sing. (Then shall the virgin rejoice in the dance...). As well as The Butterfly Song previously mentioned, there were others from the Fisherfolk stable (Sound of Living Waters et. seq.) such as Who does Jesus love? (The Everybody Song). All disappeared into the mists of time. Such a pity that the great heritage of worship hymns and songs mostly gets ignored in the craze for modernity and avoiding the deadly sin of worship: being old fashioned – in other words, singing anything more than 10 years old. And don’t get me started on modern worship songs, or this thread will head rapidly for DH territory, and we really don’t want that... [Smile]
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It's the childhood ones I never hear any more, such as:

Daisies are our silver
Buttercups our gold,
This is all the treasure we can have or hold

or

At the end of the day,
we kneel and pray
Thanking God for a lovely day

or (and I really haven't heard this anywhere since I was very young)

So here hath been dawning
Another blue day
Think wilt thou let it slip useless away?

One from my teen years that I never hear despite it being a 'modern hymn' is

Firmly I believe and truly
God is three and God is one

Anyone else remember those last two?

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Yes! And the first one. I can't think where or when I last sang 'Firmly I believe and truly', but the other two were regulars at my school. Lovely, lovely hymns.

Another that I remember with very great fondness from school, although we only sang it once a year, is 'Summer suns are glowing, over land and sea'. It develops into the very best sort of earworm every now and then.

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Fineline rasied a point that crossed my mind a few days ago: we rarely sing older songs such as Onward Christian Soldiers, which liken the Christian life to a battle. However I was thinking of 1980s songs which allude to battles and conflict, often with military metaphors. Think of some of the words Graham Kendrick wrote in the early 1980s for example, just after he changed from writing entertainment songs and LPs to worship songs. The approach now seem really dated.

I'm afraid I find much modern worship music somewhat juvenile in its style.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
One of those songs, "Seek Ye First" made it into the 1982 TEC hymnal.

If that's the "halle, halle, hallelu, halleluiah" one, its not from IS but Karen Lafferty. And we've also sung it recently. More than once. I think our place must just be rather out-of-date.
I don't know what IS is. When I refer to Songs of Praise I am referring to a series of songbooks published in the US. They attributed the song to Karen Lafferty.

Moo

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Moo

Songs of Praise in the UK refer to two quite specific hymn books. The one that I am pretty sure Ken is saying it is not from is one published in 1927. Quite a few of the hymns in that originated with the compilers.

There is also the hymnbook that goes the BBC programme of the same name.

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Conversation elsewhere here, and the astronaut memory - which I don't have - has reminded me of this from the BBC school book.

There are hundreds of sparrows

I particularly like the third verse:

There are hundreds of planets, thousands, millions,
Way out in space each has a place by God's decree;
There are hundreds and thousands, millions of planets,
But God knows every one and God knows me.

I have fond memories singing this song in the Salvation Army Sunday School and junior choir as a child [Smile] So sad to hear that John Gowans who wrote the words died just before Christmas. A genius of words and real man of faith

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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Moo

Songs of Praise in the UK refer to two quite specific hymn books. The one that I am pretty sure Ken is saying it is not from is one published in 1927. Quite a few of the hymns in that originated with the compilers.

There is also the hymnbook that goes the BBC programme of the same name.

The US Songs of Praise were published by Servant Music. The first thin paperback volume was published in 1977. Three more were published over the next few years.

Moo

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quote:
Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
On a different note: when did anyone last hear "Freely, freely"?

Umm... this sunday, and I chose it [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by Drifting Star:
Another that I remember with very great fondness from school, although we only sang it once a year, is 'Summer suns are glowing, over land and sea'. It develops into the very best sort of earworm every now and then.

I chose that when my 60th birthday fell on a Sunday - we had it for the 1st hymn, despite it raining outside.

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I remember a hymn that started:

"Yield not to temptation, for yielding is sin"

and contained the lines

"Shun evil companions, bad language disdain,
God's name hold in reverence, nor take it in vain"

I can't remember whether we ever really sang it or whether it just happened to be in the hymnbooks!

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quote:
Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
I remember a hymn that started:

"Yield not to temptation, for yielding is sin"


"Each victory will help you some other to win..."

Oh yes--I remember singing this quite a lot when I was growing up in the 1970s.

I'm not sure it "took"...

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The best line in that is "Fight manfully onwards, dark passions subdue!" I always thought as a child (yes we sang it) that "dark passions" sounded both sinister and exciting.

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quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
The best line in that is "Fight manfully onwards, dark passions subdue!" I always thought as a child (yes we sang it) that "dark passions" sounded both sinister and exciting.

They are. Although I understand that Emma Watson has denied she's going to be in the film version. Shame.

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The church I used to go to before I moved to my current address uses one of those awful Powerpoint projectors for displaying the words of songs, rather than decent hymn books. One Sunday the nasty contraption broke down (hallelujah!) and we all had a great time singing the old Sunday school choruses.

"Wide, wide as the ocean" went particularly well - with all the actions, of course.

It's amazing how the things you learn in childhood really stick.

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I'm lucky that my church uses a 'trad' hymn book.

Luckier still, years ago I worked for a vicar who preferred that hymns not be sung more than once a year: result was we sang all those that most other churches left alone [ Great God, what do I see and hear anyone?]. I got into the habit of considering ALL the hymns in the book, not just those that I preferred or grew up with, and in subsequent posts I've continued to try to use all the hymns in the book.

So, we still sing Onward Christian soldiers and Stand up for Jesus as well as the Advent and Lent proses, plus most of the Office Hymns, etc, etc.

And for Sea Sunday we'll have Will your anchor hold as well as Eternal Father, strong to save .

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quote:
Originally posted by Chamois:
The church I used to go to before I moved to my current address uses one of those awful Powerpoint projectors for displaying the words of songs, rather than decent hymn books. One Sunday the nasty contraption broke down (hallelujah!) and we all had a great time singing the old Sunday school choruses.

"Wide, wide as the ocean" went particularly well - with all the actions, of course.

It's amazing how the things you learn in childhood really stick.

I don't understand - we use the projector in order sing the songs that are not in our regular song book. Why is this a bad thing?

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Those of us brought up on the CSSM (or Scripture Union) chorus book will know the pairing of "In my heart there rings a melody of love" and "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, sweetest name I know" - otherwise known as "304 and 305 and 304 again"!
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
When I was at primary school we sang;
The child is black
The child is white
Together we learn
To read and write.

I seem to know "The ink is black, the page is white", though I doubt I sung that in church.
A lot of songs that hit school hymnbooks in the 70s were old folk tracks that were in the charts in 1970 and 1971.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7noGoJ0_Cuw Here's 3 Dog Night's version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeQO8WkXL5I Greyhound's version from TOTP in 1971.

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Yes, the folksy songs of the 70s seem to be very out of vogue in churches and probably schools nowadays. I did sing 'Lord of the Dance' in church the other week, but that's a rare one now.

In terms of Methodist churches, I think the circuit you're in influences what's sung. I was in what was obviously quite a 'traditional' circuit, and in a congregation of fairly elderly members where the music was influenced by the very traditional attitudes of the organist. Putting these two things together meant that the Methodist 'Hymns and Psalms' always dominated proceedings, and even then, not every song in that book got much exposure. (This was just before the new red hymn book came into being. From what I've seen of it, I'm not too impressed.) Preachers sometimes came with copies of other hymns, of course.

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@ Baptist trainfan
CSSM!!! Wow, we may be showing signs of our age but I have very fond memories of summers spent on a beach with CSSM: tide-fights, castle competitions, etc, etc, etc. I remember In my heart there rings a melody but I'm not so sure about the other.

One glorious (?) day the tide managed to come round to the side of the group and a heroic effort was required to save the harmonium from being lost to the waves... [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
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Originally posted by Chamois:
The church I used to go to before I moved to my current address uses one of those awful Powerpoint projectors for displaying the words of songs, rather than decent hymn books. One Sunday the nasty contraption broke down (hallelujah!) and we all had a great time singing the old Sunday school choruses.

"Wide, wide as the ocean" went particularly well - with all the actions, of course.

It's amazing how the things you learn in childhood really stick.

I don't understand - we use the projector in order sing the songs that are not in our regular song book. Why is this a bad thing?
Because some people are snobby. 'My dear, in stead of the English Hymnal - original edition of course, and all our copies personally signed by Rafe - they use a projector. They'll be having guitars and tambourines next'.

Don't worry too much about it. It is the Lord who chooses who to invite to join him, not us.

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I wonder what modern hymns and songs will still be sung in ten twenty years time,not many I would think,I would hope"Christ is my corner stone" and in in my Church once or twice a year we sing "There is a redeamer"
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Mebbe. Mebbe no. I can think of other reasons to dislike projected text besides feelings of cultural superiority.

I find it difficult to read (distance/sight lines/back lighting). Also, with a book in my hand, I can see the entire text (ooh, only another six verses/ tricky bit coming up etc).

Though I expect the Kindle-hymnal is not far off (moored to the pews by stout flex).

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Songs about "the blood" appear to have fallen out of favour, too.

Examples included "Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing flow / Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?"; "What can wash away my sin? / Nothing but the blood of Jesus"; and poor old Cowper's "There is a fountain filled with blood".

I developed various reservations about them, but in the end decided that hymns which could rile smartarse liberals so effectively must have something going for them!

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All grouped together like that they begin to hint at cryptic Mithraism. Only Aries instead of Taurus.
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quote:
Originally posted by Amika:
It's the childhood ones I never hear any more, such as:

Daisies are our silver
Buttercups our gold,
This is all the treasure we can have or hold

or

<snip>

So here hath been dawning
Another blue day
Think wilt thou let it slip useless away?

Gosh, these two really brought back memories of school, and I could hear them instantly in my ear.

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Originally posted by Firenze:
Mebbe. Mebbe no. I can think of other reasons to dislike projected text besides feelings of cultural superiority.

I find it difficult to read (distance/sight lines/back lighting). Also, with a book in my hand, I can see the entire text (ooh, only another six verses/ tricky bit coming up etc).

Though I expect the Kindle-hymnal is not far off (moored to the pews by stout flex).

Firenze is quite right. Add tall heads in the way, the words being out of focus, or indeed as happened at a recent memorial service, the wrong verses being projected to the correct ones in the booklet, so people were singing different things.

We have a supplementary book, comprising people's suggestions, so we still have things like Seek ye first - and we have certainly done Lord of the Dance *fairly* recently.

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My housemaster at school was particularly fond of Chesterton's "O God Of Earth And Ocean"

The walls of gold entomb us
The swords of scorn divide
Take not thy thunder from us
But take away our pride

I have never heard it sung anywhere else

By contrast he hated "I Vow To Thee, My Country" and always refused to sing it.

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Originally posted by vw man:
I wonder what modern hymns and songs will still be sung in ten twenty years time,not many I would think

Shine Jesus Shine is already more than 25 years old
[Razz] I suspect that it, and two or three more of the songs of South East London's finest, will survive.

Lord of the Dance is over fifty - it might be true to say that it has already survived and gone mainstream.

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quote:
Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
My housemaster at school was particularly fond of Chesterton's "O God Of Earth And Ocean"

The walls of gold entomb us
The swords of scorn divide
Take not thy thunder from us
But take away our pride

I have never heard it sung anywhere else.

I regularly choose it for choral evensong.

The the shower that is in government at the moment, it is very relevant:

quote:
our earthly rulers falter,
our people drift and die;....from lies of tongue and pen,
from all the easy speeches
that comfort cruel men,...deliver us



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Originally posted by vw man:
I wonder what modern hymns and songs will still be sung in ten twenty years time

"Come to the Water" and "I am the Bread of Life" would be on my list.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by vw man:
I wonder what modern hymns and songs will still be sung in ten twenty years time,not many I would think

Shine Jesus Shine is already more than 25 years old
[Razz] I suspect that it, and two or three more of the songs of South East London's finest, will survive.

Lord of the Dance is over fifty - it might be true to say that it has already survived and gone mainstream.

Ken - I have to say I seldom hear Lord of the Dance nowadays...

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We had 'All things bright & beautiful' for one of the communion hymns a few weeks ago, and I got in trouble (sitting in the back row of choir) for doing (some of) the motions I remembered from a childhood in Methodist Sunday Schools. (I was very discreet, and kept my hands below the desk level, but my stallmates got the giggles.) It was great fun! [Yipee]

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