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Take smartphones. Makers leapfrog each other to offer the slimmest phone on the planet, never mind that there's no room for a battery that will take a day's hard use. Is a phone a tool or a fashion accessory? The latter, it seems. I bought a charger case. My phone is twice as fat and a bit heavier, but it's not dead in my hand by early evening.
Any other examples?
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High heels - not just useless for walking (which is what feet are designed for) but also harmful to the feet.
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The private motor car. If one travels 10,000 miles at an average of 25 mph that is how many hours of use in a year?
400. Yup, about an hour a day. For the other 23 it's going nowhere & doing nothing, except getting closer to the scrappers.
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Pantyhose. What is the point of covering legs if the coverings don't even keep the legs warm?
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
The private motor car. If one travels 10,000 miles at an average of 25 mph that is how many hours of use in a year?
400. Yup, about an hour a day. For the other 23 it's going nowhere & doing nothing, except getting closer to the scrappers.
That sounds like pretty good utilisation for a possession to me. Many other household objects get much less use: those books that you only read once in a while; a food processor that you only get out when making soup; the lawn mower that gets used twice a month in Summer. Why single out the car?
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Pantyhose. What is the point of covering legs if the coverings don't even keep the legs warm?
Are pantyhose the same as tights (or stocking/holdups/nylons)? If so, they do keep your legs warm.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
The private motor car. If one travels 10,000 miles at an average of 25 mph that is how many hours of use in a year?
I like cars. I'm a gear-head AND I probably drive 45 MPH on average, spending most of my commute on the motorways. Besides that, it's to hot to walk here much of the year!
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Ring-pull food cans. Yes, they may be a boon to people who are too lazy to remember where their tin-opener is but you need to have muscles on your muscles to open one. I work out three times a week and I struggle with them. My mother-in-law, who's in her eighties and lives alone, has had to give up some of her favourite soups because she can't get them out of the can.
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You can still open them by running a tin-opener round the underneath of the tin, or getting one of those electric tin-openers to do it for you.
And to add to this list, e-readers. I've said it before, but I can still pick up a book printed decades ago and just read it. It doesn't need recharging, batteries or upgrades and I won't have to have it replaced in a couple of years. It doesn't matter if I sit on it, drop it in the bath or swat flies with it, either.
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Strangely I was telling someone the other day what I wore in my teens before tights/pantyhose, when the skirts started to get a bit shorter. There was an abominable gap between stocking top and knickers which got excruciatingly cold in winter, with chapped skin and other uncomfortable symptoms.
To ease these phenomena, manufacturers brought out stretchy things like cycle shorts in various colours, such as black (no proper girl wears black underwear, said our deputy head), scarlet, and tartan patterns, with thin strips of lace around the edges, which filled the gap and kept things warm. What a joy was the invention of tights! I can't for the life of me remember what those things were called.
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No, that was what our weird teachers wore in summer, and they were silky and had elastic round the lower edge. And if you wear them, you should not sit on the desk and cross your legs - that's how I know!
We would not have had any truck with the things if they had shared the name with those. These were stretchy jersey fabric, so the shape of cycle shorts, close fitting. Less lycra, though!
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My memory is turning up the word "step-in" which I think was the name we gave to an elasticated pair of knickers worn over tights to keep them up and are now sold for tummy control.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
To ease these phenomena, manufacturers brought out stretchy things like cycle shorts in various colours, such as black (no proper girl wears black underwear, said our deputy head), scarlet, and tartan patterns, with thin strips of lace around the edges, which filled the gap and kept things warm.
I remember those. They had matching vest tops, so you could be encased from neck to just about knee like a 1920s bathing suit. I can't remember a name either, but my mother was dead keen on them (on account of the keeping warm thing) - but the red set would stobe through the white nylon school blouse.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Ring-pull food cans. Yes, they may be a boon to people who are too lazy to remember where their tin-opener is but you need to have muscles on your muscles to open one. I work out three times a week and I struggle with them. My mother-in-law, who's in her eighties and lives alone, has had to give up some of her favourite soups because she can't get them out of the can.
Use the handle of a spoon under the ring-pull to lever it up a wee bit, then turn it around so the curvy bit of spoon sits on the top of the tin and use the handle as a lever. Bigger lever makes less effort. I think there are thingies one can buy as well that are less improvisatory to make opening tins and things easier.
Back on the subject of the thread; ties. I never understood why they existed when I was as school, but am relieved that, being a girl, school was the end of me having to wear one.
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But I am glad that I was taught how to tie a tie, since the simple knot of school works very well for keeping flyaway scarves under control, and undoes easily. I have the knot half way down, making a V-shape.
I think the school tie was burned on the beach, along with our thick brown PE knickers, on the last day of school.
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I'm looking in no friendly manner at our new toaster which is designed to hold only teensy-weensy bijou slicettes of bread.
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Reality TV.
I know, I'm an old grump.
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Originally posted by que sais-je:
Reality TV.
I know, I'm an old grump.
Uhm I think they are bereft of both style and substance.
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I wore a tie every day except Saturday, for years and years and years from grammar school until my hair went grey (this was a considerable period of time). One day I looked in the mirror and asked, "Why the hell are you doing this? It looks weird and serves no useful purpose." There was no answer, and I kicked the habit there and then.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Ring-pull food cans. Yes, they may be a boon to people who are too lazy to remember where their tin-opener is but you need to have muscles on your muscles to open one. I work out three times a week and I struggle with them. My mother-in-law, who's in her eighties and lives alone, has had to give up some of her favourite soups because she can't get them out of the can.
A nice present for your mother-in-law might be a
Ring Pull Can Opener which google or amazon will show you. For a few dollars she can once again re-open the foods of yesteryear.
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Ariel
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Or get one of those electric tin-openers. It holds the can in place with a magnet, you press a button and the thing opens the can effortlessly. Mine is a blessing.
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Palimpsest
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I believe the British Medical Establishment decided to prohibit Doctors from wearing ties. They are never cleaned, but parked on the back of an office door and turned out to be a major way for disease transmission.
My last hospital stay was enlivened by pointing this factoid out to my doctors in their tie and jacket. They didn't seem keen on my suggestion of a disposable one use tie.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
The private motor car. If one travels 10,000 miles at an average of 25 mph that is how many hours of use in a year?
400. Yup, about an hour a day. For the other 23 it's going nowhere & doing nothing, except getting closer to the scrappers.
By your metric, my car gets much more use than my toilet, so it's time to send the crapper to the scrapper?
The real metric is "can I accomplish what I need to accomplish in a simpler, less showy fashion" and the truth is that for most car-owners, there is no more reasonable way to get to the places that they need to go at the times they need to go there.
ETA: Now if we're talking about particular kinds of car...
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Originally posted by Palimpsest:
I believe the British Medical Establishment decided to prohibit Doctors from wearing ties.
I could tell you an amusing story about a rather senior consultant surgeon, his tie, and a defibrillator training session...
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
I could tell you an amusing story about a rather senior consultant surgeon, his tie, and a defibrillator training session...
Please do.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
To ease these phenomena, manufacturers brought out stretchy things like cycle shorts in various colours, such as black (no proper girl wears black underwear, said our deputy head), scarlet, and tartan patterns, with thin strips of lace around the edges, which filled the gap and kept things warm. What a joy was the invention of tights! I can't for the life of me remember what those things were called.
They were called witches britches in New Zealand. They were also a great hit with some elderly women I knew.
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Jane R
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Palimpsest: quote:
A nice present for your mother-in-law might be a
Ring Pull Can Opener which google or amazon will show you.
Thanks, I'll look out for one. She's more likely to use something like that - she doesn't really like new electrical gadgets so if we bought her an electric can opener she wouldn't use it.
Here's another one; the automatic rounding up of numbers in Microsoft Excel. Yes, I know you can turn it off (and I do) - but WHY is it the default? What strange alternate universe do the Microsoft programmers inhabit where everyone types in 1.99 when they mean 2?
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Originally posted by Jane R:
Here's another one; the automatic rounding up of numbers in Microsoft Excel. Yes, I know you can turn it off (and I do) - but WHY is it the default? What strange alternate universe do the Microsoft programmers inhabit where everyone types in 1.99 when they mean 2?
It's not the number you type in that are the problem - it's the numbers you get when you divide by 3, or 7, or anything else that might end up with recurring decimal places. Spreadsheets are for calculating, after all...
But what about those sleeveless jumper things that were in fashion a couple of years ago? If I'm wearing a wooly jumper, my arms want to be warm as well as the rest of me!
And why don't skirts have pockets? One day i'm going to sit down and add pockets to all my skirts, I swear.
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Canned shaving cream. Actually, it is not the can that bothers me. But the makers insist on pushing how thick their lather is. Why? It is applied to the face to assist shaving--the only layer that counts is the one next to the skin, where the blade is going to be. The rest of that "thick and luxurious" lather is just sitting up in the air serving no purpose at all.
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Penny S
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Women aren't supposed to have pockets. They have handbags. Some trousers don't have them, either. Drives me up the wall.
Saves money for the manufacturers, less fabric, fewer processes.
If I am making things with no pockets in the pattern, I hijack the pattern from one with them and add them.
Anne Fine wrote about this problem in "Bill's New Frock".
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Ariel
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On the back of that, trousers and jackets that have flaps stitched on to look like pockets, but which are completely unusable.
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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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Originally posted by Penny S:
To ease these phenomena, manufacturers brought out stretchy things like cycle shorts in various colours, such as black (no proper girl wears black underwear, said our deputy head), scarlet, and tartan patterns, with thin strips of lace around the edges, which filled the gap and kept things warm. What a joy was the invention of tights! I can't for the life of me remember what those things were called.
I understand these and similar garments are called harvest festivals.
(All is safely gathered in......)
Also, black underwear? What's the issue there?
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by Penny S:
To ease these phenomena, manufacturers brought out stretchy things like cycle shorts in various colours, such as black (no proper girl wears black underwear, said our deputy head), scarlet, and tartan patterns, with thin strips of lace around the edges, which filled the gap and kept things warm. What a joy was the invention of tights! I can't for the life of me remember what those things were called.
I understand these and similar garments are called harvest festivals.
(All is safely gathered in......)
I think you'd be wrong. That implies a degree of corsetry, whereas these were stretch nylon. That was part of the appeal - they were a lot less hampering than much of the underwear wished on one growing up. Preferable to the chunky-knit vests for a start.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
On the back of that, trousers and jackets that have flaps stitched on to look like pockets, but which are completely unusable.
They make your bum look nicer. So yes, style over substance!!
Stocking/hosiery -> makes wearing shoes more comfortable, as it reduces the friction between skin and shoe. Plus it reduces chub-rub when wearing skirts or dresses.
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Originally posted by ecumaniac:
Plus it reduces chub-rub
That is a phrase I must remember!
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que sais-je
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
I wore a tie every day except Saturday, for years and years and years from grammar school until my hair went grey (this was a considerable period of time). One day I looked in the mirror and asked, "Why the hell are you doing this? It looks weird and serves no useful purpose." There was no answer, and I kicked the habit there and then.
I entirely agree - though I gave up well before you. I still have one tie - a black one for funerals. There I feel it's about how elderly friends and relatives might react.
Ties are about the only item of clothing that give men a look in on the otherwise female monopoly on odd garments. Unless anyone can suggest another.
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Penny S
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Liberty bodices. Liberty from what? For whom? And what were the other buttons for?
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I never wear a tie to mass or other church activities and if I have to go to a funeral, I just dress all in black. I am expected to wear a tie to sing with our Irish choir at Christmas time and was given one for the purpose. I have not worn a suit to work since I was a stockbroker back in the eighties.
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ice tea maker
You boils your water, you brews your tea, you adds your ice. The electric ice tea maker is a total waste of money. IMHO
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Originally posted by Graven Image:
ice tea maker
You boils your water, you brews your tea, you adds your ice. The electric ice tea maker is a total waste of money. IMHO
Not only that, but iced tea is an Abomination Unto the Sight of God™
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Originally posted by PeteC:
... iced tea is an Abomination Unto the Sight of God™
I defy you to say that about my iced tea with tonic.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Those juice cartons with the little plastic pouring spout: they Do Not Pour and get juice all over your kitchen counters.
You must shop at Carrefour Market ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Carrefour Market milk cartons for the fail. Géant fruit juice cartons for the win.
I offer you duvet covers. If a simple-to-change version cannot be devised, can a world standard version at least be adopted?
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
I offer you duvet covers. If a simple-to-change version cannot be devised, can a world standard version at least be adopted?
Like this perhaps?
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Like this perhaps?
I think you have an extra "http" in there. Try this.
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Originally posted by QLib:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... iced tea is an Abomination Unto the Sight of God™
I defy you to say that about my iced tea with tonic.
If there is GIN in it, it becomes instantly acceptable.
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Pete C posted quote:
Not only that, but iced tea is an Abomination Unto the Sight of God™
Clearly you are thinking of sweet tea which is an abomination.
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About 50% of stuff in cookshops.
A spoon rest? An egg-slicer? An egg yolk separator? ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Originally posted by QLib:
quote:
Originally posted by PeteC:
... iced tea is an Abomination Unto the Sight of God™
I defy you to say that about my iced tea with tonic.
'iced tea with tonic' -- please explain!
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Originally posted by Graven Image:
Pete C posted quote:
Not only that, but iced tea is an Abomination Unto the Sight of God™
Clearly you are thinking of sweet tea which is an abomination.
Since 'sweet tea' is known here in the Low Country as 'the house wine of the South' you are clearly teading on regional toes! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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