|
Source: (consider it)
|
Thread: Daily Office (yet again)
|
Galilit
Shipmate
# 16470
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by sebby:
Even BETTER perhaps is TEC's Daily Office Book in two volumes bound in leather and just about pocket size.
It sounds scrumptious!
Is it in "other than black" and if not is the black in any way a special shade?
Could you maybe please put a link to a picture of that/them...my "pray-dar" is beeping.
--------------------
She who does Her Son's will in all things can rely on me to do Hers.
Posts: 624 | From: a Galilee far, far away | Registered: Jun 2011
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Galilit:
quote:
Originally posted by sebby:
Even BETTER perhaps is TEC's Daily Office Book in two volumes bound in leather and just about pocket size.
It sounds scrumptious!
Is it in "other than black" and if not is the black in any way a special shade?
Could you maybe please put a link to a picture of that/them...my "pray-dar" is beeping.
Daily Office Book
It's in black only. The two-volume one uses the Revised Standard Version for the lessons; the one-volume Contemporary Office Book at the same link uses the New Revised Standard Version.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
lilyswinburne
Shipmate
# 12934
|
Posted
I've always wanted a copy but they are too expensive. Why doesn't the publisher publish a paperback version?
Posts: 126 | From: California | Registered: Aug 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by lilyswinburne:
I've always wanted a copy but they are too expensive. Why doesn't the publisher publish a paperback version?
Or one of the leather alternatives like Vivella. I really wish they'd reprint Howard Galley's Prayer Book Office in an affordable version (or at this point, any version).
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
Yes, it would be great if Howard Galley's Prayer Book Office would be reprinted in a new edition, perhaps with the addition of office hymns and Marian antiphons for Compline.
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
sebby
Shipmate
# 15147
|
Posted
But is this, vitally, crucially, most importantly OF ALL, complete in itself, as in ALL IN ONE BOOK? Readings, psalms, the lot?
For me, if you need more than one book to say the Office it invalidates its use completely.
--------------------
sebhyatt
Posts: 1340 | From: yorks | Registered: Sep 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by sebby:
But is this, vitally, crucially, most importantly OF ALL, complete in itself, as in ALL IN ONE BOOK? Readings, psalms, the lot?
For me, if you need more than one book to say the Office it invalidates its use completely.
Well, I'm told that paper technology has advanced so more pages (of sufficient durability) can be put into books without making the book thicker (the fairly recent pew edition of Evangelical Lutheran Worship being an example), so a Prayer Book Office bound up with an NRSV Bible might not be unreasonably huge. And should be attempted, IMHO.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Galilit
Shipmate
# 16470
|
Posted
Thanks, Oblatus
It looks quite dark chocolatey to me...
Is the one with the NRSV that which is familiarly referred to as "the brick"?
--------------------
She who does Her Son's will in all things can rely on me to do Hers.
Posts: 624 | From: a Galilee far, far away | Registered: Jun 2011
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Galilit:
Thanks, Oblatus
It looks quite dark chocolatey to me...
Is the one with the NRSV that which is familiarly referred to as "the brick"?
No; the Contemporary Office Book contains the office material from the BCP 1979 with the lectionary readings from the NRSV but not the whole Bible.
The "Brick" has the whole NRSV Bible with the whole BCP 1979.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Edgeman
Shipmate
# 12867
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Antiphon:
I've just taken delivery of the hardback six-volume edition of the Liturgia Horarum published by Midwest Theological Forum.
My initial impressions are that the quality of the printing and binding of this edition is excellent and much better than that of the vinyl-covered Vatican Press edition which I also have.
On the other hand, I think that this edition would be better used in church and at home rather than when travelling, as it is fairly large and rather more like a textbook in size in comparison with the Vatican Press edition and with the various English-language editions of the LOH. It looks and feels rather like the three volume Latin-French Heures Gregoriennes. Also, there are only two ribbons per volume, and I really think more are required.
Each of the six volumes is provided with two cards for the frequently-used texts such as the Benedictus and Magnificat.
It will be interesting to see if MTF will eventually publish an English version of the LOH when the revision of it is complete. I very much hope so.
If they were to publish one in double column as in the Latin version, I would not be able to resist buying a set.
--------------------
http://sacristyxrat.tumblr.com/
Posts: 1420 | From: Philadelphia Penns. | Registered: Jul 2007
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
Neither could I!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope MTF do produce such a set in due course.
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
# 3659
|
Posted
bump
--------------------
Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world’s grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
Posts: 20761 | From: where the purple line ends | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Prester John
Shipmate
# 5502
|
Posted
My apologies but I don't remember this topic being covered earlier. Does anyone have any experience with the '28 or '79 BCP on Kindle? Was it overall a positive or negative experience? Thanks!
Posts: 884 | From: SF Bay Area | Registered: Feb 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Prester John:
My apologies but I don't remember this topic being covered earlier. Does anyone have any experience with the '28 or '79 BCP on Kindle? Was it overall a positive or negative experience? Thanks!
I've had the 1979 BCP on a Kindle DX, and it's mostly negative because it's a pain to go to a particular page. The newer touchscreen Kindles probably make this easier. The best books on my Kindle are those I tend to read from the beginning through to the end, just paging forward. Other navigation isn't all that quick. So liturgical books that require some flipping are a pain.
I readily acknowledge that some of this is due to my own Kindle incompetence. If I practiced, I'm sure I'd find ways to jump around a book easily.
[ 13. September 2012, 18:36: Message edited by: Oblatus ]
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
Anyone have any bulletins or breaking news about the Daily Office? Rumours of new books? Experiences of public praying of the Office?
Last week I attended the 11:50 a.m. Daytime Prayer at Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago. It's handled similarly to Evening Prayer, which I've reported on before, but the book provided is Catholic Book Publishing's Daytime Prayer. As I approached the front of the nave, a nice lady asked, "Would you like to pray with us?" and gave me a copy of the office book with its ribbon set to the day's office on p. 309.
Two officiants took their place at the head of each side of the nave pews, to lead each respective side in alternating strophes of the psalms.
The main officiant was a young priest on the "epistle side." He gave a lot of audible rubrics: after he read an antiphon and we repeated it, he'd say, "Starting with this side" before starting the psalm itself. After the Gloria Patri and his reading of the psalm prayer, he'd say, "Going back to the First Antiphon...we say together..."
I used to think the psalm-prayers, which are in the USA edition of the RC Liturgy of the Hours, were a huge mistake, especially in their placement before the repetition of the antiphon after a psalm. Indeed, some books on the LotH make this very point. But after experiencing it done as printed, I wonder how it could be any other way: the psalm-prayers have no ending formula or Amen, and to follow them with the repetition of the antiphon seems the only thing that makes some sense. The best thing otherwise would be to skip the psalm-prayer.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
According to Amazon UK the publication of The Customary of Our Lady of Walsingham for use by the ordinariate in the UK has been further delayed. I wonder if this is because the Vatican is being slow to give approval to the new liturgical texts?
Does anyone know if it is planned to publish a similar book for the ordinariate in the USA with the liturgies for mass and daily office, etc?
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Antiphon:
According to Amazon UK the publication of The Customary of Our Lady of Walsingham for use by the ordinariate in the UK has been further delayed. I wonder if this is because the Vatican is being slow to give approval to the new liturgical texts?
Does anyone know if it is planned to publish a similar book for the ordinariate in the USA with the liturgies for mass and daily office, etc?
I guess no one knows. I'm thinking the Book of Divine Worship continues to be at least quasi-official until something else is promulgated?
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
Just heard from Amazon UK that publication of The Customary of Our Lady of Walsingham has been further delayed!! I hope it doesn't take as long to appear as did the Baronius Press Roman Breviary!!!!
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Olaf
Shipmate
# 11804
|
Posted
It looks like one must subsist on a combination of the Book of Divine Worship and the Ordinariate Calendar (PDF) for now.
This letter from the Ordinary seems to imply that the Rite II (modern language Anglican) forms of the Book of Divine Worship not be utilized, and that modern language Catholic forms be utilized instead. It seems to be discussing the Mass, but I suspect that upon a request for clarity the CDW would state that it extends to the office as well.
Thus, it seems a member of the Ordinariate has the Ordinariate calendar, the BDW Rite I office, and the modern Catholic office as daily prayer resources.
Even English-speaking non-Ordinariate Catholics have a daily office that is out of "jive" with the new Roman Missal.
[ 01. October 2012, 21:41: Message edited by: Olaf ]
Posts: 8953 | From: Ad Midwestem | Registered: Sep 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
It seems that the BDW is also being used as a temporary measure by the Ordinariate groups at St Agatha's in Portsmouth and in Manchester in the United Kingdom.
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Craigie
Apprentice
# 17364
|
Posted
I am looking to add to my collection of modern language Daily Office Books.
I have "The Prayer Book Office" by Galley, "Common Worship - Daily Prayer" and "Common Prayer - A Liturgy for Ordinary Radicals".
Can anyone suggest any others to supplement this selection? ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
Posts: 15 | From: Middle of Nowhere | Registered: Oct 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
Olaf
Shipmate
# 11804
|
Posted
How modern do you want?
The Saint Helena Breviary includes the traditional bits, but uses inclusive language (very well, IMHO). The Monastic Edition available from the sisters includes chant notation. The Personal Edition available elsewhere does not. It's been a while since I've looked at mine, but I don't think the full scripture readings are included in the Monastic Edition.
Posts: 8953 | From: Ad Midwestem | Registered: Sep 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
Hi Craigie
May I suggest adding The Daily Office SSF and Benedictine Daily Prayer to your liturgical library, both of which I have?
The former is very similar to Common Worship - Daily Prayer with the additon of some very interesting Franciscan prayers and devotions. The latter is based on the modern office as used in some Benedictine monasteries such as St John's Abbey in the USA. It is quite similar to the Roman Catholic DO/LOH in format, and uses an inclusive-language version of the Grail psalter.
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Craigie
Apprentice
# 17364
|
Posted
Thank you for the suggestions. The St. Helena Breviary looks very interesting. I will definately look into that!
By modern I mean without the "thees" and "thous". I have plenty of Office Books in the older style/language but am now exploring the more modern ones...I thought it was about time I became aware of new ways of developing and "doing" the liturgy. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
--------------------
The End is Nigh.
Posts: 15 | From: Middle of Nowhere | Registered: Oct 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
Check also the
modern Daily Office of the Scottish Episcopal Church. You can download everything and print it off yourself (or use it online), and/or order the very handy-sized spiral-bound book. Basically the same psalter as the USA 1979 BCP, arranged a little differently. There's a four-week ordinary cycle and other cycles for seasons.
At St Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh, I arrived slightly late for an Evening Prayer (during the choir's holiday, so it was just a spoken service), and someone kindly greeted me with a copy of the Daily Prayer book opened to the right page. Within minutes I was convinced I needed a copy of the book, and I ordered two copies to be shipped home.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
IfUCanTalkUCanSing
Apprentice
# 17367
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Prester John:
My apologies but I don't remember this topic being covered earlier. Does anyone have any experience with the '28 or '79 BCP on Kindle? Was it overall a positive or negative experience? Thanks!
I recently got my first tablet, an iPad 2, and downloaded the free (I believe) Lectionary for iPad. It only provides the propers (BCP New York 1979). I often use it for reading the Lessons.
I doubt there will be a decent all-in-one app for celebrating the Office properly until I write one. The invitatory and canticles really need to be sung. I allow myself to read the Psalms in speech tones (and the Lessons, and the prayers, generally) for variety.
Anyway, the app I mentioned is fine for reading the Psalms and Lessons. Except: It doesn't pick up on major Holy Days! Which is a fatal flaw, but I just check in advance to see if it's a major Holy Day, in which case I make other provision for the propers.
Also, it doesn't give alternative readings. (I chose to read Judith 2 or 3 weeks ago rather than Esther, which I have read or heard many times.) And it doesn't give BCP page numbers for the psalms, which makes it unuseful for officiating with a congregation.
Posts: 3 | From: Oakland | Registered: Oct 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
IfUCanTalkUCanSing
Apprentice
# 17367
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Oblatus:
Anyone have any bulletins or breaking news about the Daily Office? Rumours of new books? Experiences of public praying of the Office?
I am a member of St Gregory of Nyssa Episcopal Church in San Francisco but, as I live in Oakland, I find it impractical to sing daily Morning Prayer at St Gregory's.
So I recently entered into a partnership with the redoubtable Mauricio Wilson, rector of St Paul's, the large church in downtown Oakland, such that we have begun Morning Prayer there three days a week (which is as often as I can commit myself to leading the Office, not being on staff over there or elsewhere in the immediate neighborhood. I am a layman BTW). We read the Prayer Book office and the EOW Great Litany from a trifold flyer, singing canticles and hymns (a capella) from The Hymnal or, more often, from sheet music I create using Finale, inserting the verses between the clefs that contain Anglican chant settings from The Hymnal. (For singability and variety I like to use metrical paraphrases of canticles sung to hymn tunes too, from the 1986 New Metrical Psalter.) The only exception to strict use of the BCP form is that I use the EOW alternative to the salutation (which is used in the BCP noonday office). It has always seemed silly to me to say the salutation between the Apostle's Creed and the Lord's Prayer.
I only recently really discovered the EOW version of the Great Litany. I love it, especially the provision for using different sections on different days. It provides a comprehensive set of prayers for the church and the world without needing to be excessively long on any given day. We pray every week for a few people by name from the parish prayer list, and for staff members from the parish, the school and retirement home the parish founded, and from other neighboring institutions, as well as the Bishop, Rector, President, Governor and Mayor.
I do try to push the envelope beyond what I experienced as the default Morning Prayer office, for instance, at the CDSP chapel in Berkeley. The congregation sings the invitatory antiphon (which is printed in the service leaflet) while I sing the verses of the Venite. We use the Benedictus and Te Deum a lot, keeping the music familiar and easy. St. Gregory's-style, but consistent with my reading of the BCP, we omit a verbal conclusion to the Lessons. Instead, we keep two minutes of silence, framed by (Tibetan temple) bells I play on my iPad.
We have a very small but growing Morning Prayer congregation.
I had some concern about the length and sometimes obscurity of the Lessons and looked into using the RCL daily readings. I like the concept but found they (namely, the OT lections) weren't really shorter than the Daily Office Lectionary equivalents. And, of course, they're not authorized. At least since we switched from Monday-Wednesday-Friday to a Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday schedule we have consecutive pericopes.
The new "Daily Prayer for All Seasons" authorized by General Convention this summer is okay, but it's not the Daily Office.
Has anyone experience using Daily Prayer for All Seasons? or the RCL Daily Readings?
[Code repair. Mamacita, Host]
[ 10. October 2012, 17:02: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
Posts: 3 | From: Oakland | Registered: Oct 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
Craigie
Apprentice
# 17364
|
Posted
quote:
The new "Daily Prayer for All Seasons" authorized by General Convention this summer is okay, but it's not the Daily Office.
This sounds interesting. Is this going to be available in book form anytime soon or is this something which will be released in the distant future?
[Code repair. Mamacita, Host]
[ 10. October 2012, 17:22: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
--------------------
The End is Nigh.
Posts: 15 | From: Middle of Nowhere | Registered: Oct 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
# 3659
|
Posted
Welcome to the Ship, IfUCanTalkUCanSing. There's a general welcome thread on the All Saints board if you feel inclined to introduce yourself. Also, there's a UBB Practice Thread available in the Styx for anyone who wants to test the functions available for quotes, links, etc. Enjoy sailing with us!
Mamacita, Eccles Host
--------------------
Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world’s grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
Posts: 20761 | From: where the purple line ends | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
# 3659
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Craigie:
quote:
The new "Daily Prayer for All Seasons" authorized by General Convention this summer is okay, but it's not the Daily Office.
This sounds interesting. Is this going to be available in book form anytime soon or is this something which will be released in the distant future?
This is the first I've heard of it but I found a free download at this link and also a pdf [HUGE file alert!] available on this site.
This item from the Episcopal Café blog provides a bit of background which suggests whether a person might be inclined to like this or not:
quote:
The Daily Prayer for All Seasons is proposed “for experimental use by individuals and in congregations and other church groups wishing to pray or meditate throughout the day,” according to the Blue Book resolution. It is intended to complement the Daily Offices and Daily Devotions within the Book of Common Prayer.
“Those are really wonderfully rethought for a contemporary audience,” Phillips said. The idea is to offer “not a replacement, but an alternative to what’s in our prayer book to appeal differently, to fit into people’s complicated and post-modern lives.” She believes they will be especially useful in places like college campuses or with retreat groups, “but especially for people to carry around in their car, maybe have an application on their mobile phone that they can pray an office … in 10 minutes.”
Without having worked my way through it, I like that there is a different form for each liturgical season, but know that won't be everyone's cup of tea.
[Gahh! Botched up my own code. Preview Post is my friend, too...]
[ 10. October 2012, 17:21: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
--------------------
Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world’s grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
Posts: 20761 | From: where the purple line ends | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Olaf
Shipmate
# 11804
|
Posted
What if I can already pray a BCP office in less than 10 minutes, and on my cell phone as well? ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
Really, anybody should be able to do so fairly easily. Also, the prayer book does provide shorter means of devotions as well.
I can't fault them for a little harmless exploration with new things, especially as most powers that be in TEC came of age in the 60s and 70s, but perhaps they should be spending more time teaching people to pray the offices that already exist!
[ 11. October 2012, 00:46: Message edited by: Olaf ]
Posts: 8953 | From: Ad Midwestem | Registered: Sep 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
Craigie
Apprentice
# 17364
|
Posted
Does anyone have any experience of "Praise in All Our Days - Common Prayer from Taize"?
It has been recommended to me but seems quite a thin book for daily offices compared with other books I have. Is it very repetitive?
Thank you in advance for your help! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posts: 15 | From: Middle of Nowhere | Registered: Oct 2012
| IP: Logged
|
|
Galilit
Shipmate
# 16470
|
Posted
We used it for Wednesday lunchtimes in the late 70's in a Middle of the City church being all urban and that
I would not say it was repetitive - rather that everything was rather short, sweet and to the point. Narrow vocab as well since in many settings it would be being prayed by people using a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language.
No frills, spare but cogent.
I think it probably works best if you are in a group that is keen on being a Christian Community (even if just for that once).
Can't imagine it solitary.
None of the above meant as a criticism, btw
--------------------
She who does Her Son's will in all things can rely on me to do Hers.
Posts: 624 | From: a Galilee far, far away | Registered: Jun 2011
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Olaf:
I can't fault them for a little harmless exploration with new things, especially as most powers that be in TEC came of age in the 60s and 70s, but perhaps they should be spending more time teaching people to pray the offices that already exist!
Exactly what I was thinking. Sometimes there seems to be a desire to churn out something new, when there's something existing that just needs to be used. If there's a fear that the existing material is potentially boring, there are certainly plenty of variations that can be tried: a lucernarium (candle-lighting) service in the evening, various psalm plans, elaboration/simplification, singing vs. saying, etc.
Personally, it means a lot to be praying "the Office of the church" along with a lot of people elsewhere.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
# 3659
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Olaf:
I can't fault them for a little harmless exploration with new things, especially as most powers that be in TEC came of age in the 60s and 70s, but perhaps they should be spending more time teaching people to pray the offices that already exist!
Well, I know (and consider friends) two of the committee members and can certify with no doubt that they grew up in the 70s, maybe even the 60s. But because I know them, I tend to get (forgive me!) a wee bit touchy when the good folks on this board occasionally take swipes at the members of TEC's liturgical committees. I also don't think it fair to suggest that these liturgists, priests and professors are not "teaching people to pray the offices that already exist," in fact from personal experience I can tell you that they do. As I understand it they are responding to expressed needs, not just making stuff up for the hell of it, and I don't think it particularly helpful to set new liturgies up against the old ones in an either/or, bad/good, newfangled/classical point of view.
Again, forgive me, and I will now go scold myself for getting all Purgatorial on you.
[ 11. October 2012, 16:02: Message edited by: Mamacita ]
--------------------
Do not be daunted by the enormity of the world’s grief. Do justly, now. Love mercy, now. Walk humbly, now. You are not obligated to complete the work, but neither are you free to abandon it.
Posts: 20761 | From: where the purple line ends | Registered: Dec 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Mamacita:
]Well, I know (and consider friends) two of the committee members and can certify with no doubt that they grew up in the 70s, maybe even the 60s. But because I know them, I tend to get (forgive me!) a wee bit touchy when the good folks on this board occasionally take swipes at the members of TEC's liturgical committees.
I have to say that among the recent appointments to the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music (USA Episcopal Church) is a scholar with superb background in and commitment to the Daily Office. If there are more like him (I'll bet there are), we're in for a good couple of triennia of thoughtful deliberation from that commission. At least it's good to know there's a strong and thoughtful voice for the Daily Office.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
Olaf
Shipmate
# 11804
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Oblatus:
I have to say that among the recent appointments to the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music (USA Episcopal Church) is a scholar with superb background in and commitment to the Daily Office. If there are more like him (I'll bet there are), we're in for a good couple of triennia of thoughtful deliberation from that commission. At least it's good to know there's a strong and thoughtful voice for the Daily Office.
And let me add my voice to the mix, Mamacita, in saying that the products which they have released seem to be very well-done, and definitely have in mind the form of the Daily Office. I shall definitely give them a go myself, and I do thank you for the link. I'm quite sorry if I raised your blood pressure a bit.
I never doubt that excellent liturgical attentiveness and scholarship is present on the Standing Commission, and always has been.
[And as you certainly know, on the local level, I regularly serve as the target practice dummy in matters liturgical, so I can empathize.]
Posts: 8953 | From: Ad Midwestem | Registered: Sep 2006
| IP: Logged
|
|
sebby
Shipmate
# 15147
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Oblatus:
Check also the
modern Daily Office of the Scottish Episcopal Church. You can download everything and print it off yourself (or use it online), and/or order the very handy-sized spiral-bound book. Basically the same psalter as the USA 1979 BCP, arranged a little differently. There's a four-week ordinary cycle and other cycles for seasons.
At St Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh, I arrived slightly late for an Evening Prayer (during the choir's holiday, so it was just a spoken service), and someone kindly greeted me with a copy of the Daily Prayer book opened to the right page. Within minutes I was convinced I needed a copy of the book, and I ordered two copies to be shipped home.
It looks particularly flimsy and I'm not sure whether....THE READINGS ARE PRINTED IN FULL. If not, then useless.
--------------------
sebhyatt
Posts: 1340 | From: yorks | Registered: Sep 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by sebby:
It looks particularly flimsy and I'm not sure whether....THE READINGS ARE PRINTED IN FULL. If not, then useless.
OK. Sorry to have mentioned it.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
sebby
Shipmate
# 15147
|
Posted
lol
--------------------
sebhyatt
Posts: 1340 | From: yorks | Registered: Sep 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Oblatus
Shipmate
# 6278
|
Posted
Anyone interested in the Daily Office should be sure not to miss this excellent presentation, which among other things dispels the false dichotomy of prayer vs. mission, and indeed puts social mission in its proper perspective.
My hat's off to the fine scholar and his work.
Posts: 3823 | Registered: May 2004
| IP: Logged
|
|
|
|
Thurible
Shipmate
# 3206
|
Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Antiphon:
Just heard from Amazon UK that publication of The Customary of Our Lady of Walsingham has been further delayed!!
It would seem it's now out.
Thurible
--------------------
"I've been baptised not lobotomised."
Posts: 8049 | Registered: Aug 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
My copy has just been dispatched by Amazon UK!!!
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Antiphon
Shipmate
# 14779
|
Posted
I received my copy of The Customary of Our Lady of Walsingham today, and it is very interesting and nicely-printed office book. Further thoughts will follow.
Posts: 235 | From: Nowhere in Particular | Registered: May 2009
| IP: Logged
|
|
Clavus
Shipmate
# 9427
|
Posted
Will that include thoughts about this morning's Office Hymn (IV. Times and Seasons, Part V Temporale: Time after Trinity, Thursday Morning Prayer)?
(Hint: it should be somewhere between page 398 and 399)
Posts: 389 | From: The Indian Summer of the C of E | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged
|
|
Thurible
Shipmate
# 3206
|
Posted
More detail, please.
How does the Office differ from the BCP offices?
Are all the readings included?
Thurible
--------------------
"I've been baptised not lobotomised."
Posts: 8049 | Registered: Aug 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
Thurible
Shipmate
# 3206
|
Posted
Is anyone aware of an (English) BCP bound with a full Bible? There's the American 1928 found here but I don't recall ever seeing an English one (ideally, 1928 but 1662 fine).
Thurible
--------------------
"I've been baptised not lobotomised."
Posts: 8049 | Registered: Aug 2002
| IP: Logged
|
|
seasick
...over the edge
# 48
|
Posted
There's this one from CUP. It's Authorised Version (which would be a minus point for me) and doesn't say if the apocrypha is included or not.
--------------------
We believe there is, and always was, in every Christian Church, ... an outward priesthood, ordained by Jesus Christ, and an outward sacrifice offered therein. - John Wesley
Posts: 5769 | From: A world of my own | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged
|
|
Printer-friendly view
