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Basilica
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Originally posted by Percy B:
A question for C of E daily office knowing people.
If you just say one office per day what readings are you meant to use from the lectionary. There is such a choice!
I would suggest the actual choice is not that important. More important is that you make a choice and stick to it.
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Percy B
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Ok. I just thought there was a rule about it. You see we have a set up with just one daily office sometimes morning sometimes evening.
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Bos Loquax
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Originally posted by Percy B:
A question for C of E daily office knowing people.
If you just say one office per day what readings are you meant to use from the lectionary. There is such a choice!
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Originally posted by Percy B:
Ok. I just thought there was a rule about it. You see we have a set up with just one daily office sometimes morning sometimes evening.
A Daily Prayer page has this Official Guidance, which is not very restrictive:
http://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/daily2/generalintro.aspx
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How many readings might be read each day?
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¶ Those who pray only once a day may use just one of the tracks.
Of course, this page doesn't say "must" here, and it goes on to say, "There are many possible combinations."
Not that you were asking for suggestions, but I'd suggest following a course that makes the most pastoral sense.
For instance, if this communal office is likely to be the only office that day for most of the congregants (regular ones or visitors), my first suggestion would be to use one track continuously through the year (and using different tracks in different years).
If it so happens that the likely congregants have a strong office habit and are likely to pray the evening office elsewhere when your communal office is in the morning and vice versa, my first suggestion would be to use the appropriate track for the time of day.
And if it so happens that you have an even mix of both groups, flip a coin.
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Oblatus
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Originally posted by Percy B:
Ok. I just thought there was a rule about it. You see we have a set up with just one daily office sometimes morning sometimes evening.
Think of it as tapping into the ongoing cycle of morning and evening prayer. If you pray only one of these, there are others (in the church around the world) who are keeping things going by praying the offices you miss. Some people join in morning and evening every day; others join in when possible.
I've also sometimes prayed both the morning and evening psalms and lessons at Evening Prayer if I've missed Morning Prayer. Not often; just sometimes when I feel led to do that. But that's alone...I wouldn't burden everyone else with all of that if I were leading Evening Prayer in church.
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I fancy getting hold of a book that gives some infos to the Saints and people commemorated in the CoE, or CiW. I think when I lived in England the book "A cloud of witnesses" was used in the cathedral I worked in, a red book. I can't find this, however. If the book had suggestions for readings that'd also be helpful.
Another thing, I fancy getting hold of a book of the Orthodox liturgy in both Russian and English. Does anyone by any chance have a recommendation?
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Boadicea Trott
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Rosa,
If you go here, you can access copies of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy in a variety of languages, including English/Church Slavonic and English/Russian.
(edited to add you may need to use Word Perfect to open some files on this site.)
Sorry I cannot help with the first question ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Thurible
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Rosa, you want this.
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Cheap copy available
here
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*Leon*
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Originally posted by Bos Loquax:
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Originally posted by Percy B:
Ok. I just thought there was a rule about it. You see we have a set up with just one daily office sometimes morning sometimes evening.
For instance, if this communal office is likely to be the only office that day for most of the congregants (regular ones or visitors), my first suggestion would be to use one track continuously through the year (and using different tracks in different years).
I seem to remember that the readings switch over between morning and evening prayer in different years, in which case if you stick with one track you end up getting all the readings for both tracks only it takes twice as long. And if you use different tracks in different years, you might end up using only half the readings. But I might have mis-remembered.
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DitzySpike
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Shipmates wishing to own a cheap(er) version of the latin liturgy of the hours might be interested to read on. The paid version of Universalis (various electronic and portable platforms) now come with latin texts. I'm surprised by the work gone into this software - even the Office of Reading is provided for in Latin!
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Oblatus
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Originally posted by sebby:
There is an excelllent download from Canada of the daily BCP order with the 1922 lessons and the days psalms aportioned as in the Prayer Book. It is also nicely presented.
I'd love to see this. Is there a link?
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Percy B
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I was talking to a female friend today about the daily office.
She prefers non gender specific language for God. She asked me if I know of an office book which would favour or include at least in part such language for God.
I mentioned I thought Rev Jim Cotter had written one but I didn't know of any other.
Thought / suggestions, please.
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Oblatus
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Originally posted by Percy B:
I was talking to a female friend today about the daily office.
She prefers non gender specific language for God. She asked me if I know of an office book which would favour or include at least in part such language for God.
I mentioned I thought Rev Jim Cotter had written one but I didn't know of any other.
Thought / suggestions, please.
The best IMHO is that of the Order of St Helena (may they be blessed on this Feast of the Finding of the Holy Cross by St Helena). Information about ordering one of their two editions is
here. The "personal edition" is flexible in terms of which psalter schema one follows; the "monastic edition" is big and heavy because it has all the chant the Sisters need to sing the Offices.
The inclusivizing of the language is of high quality, was prayed through for several years before publication, and is very consistent.
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sebby
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Originally posted by Oblatus:
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Originally posted by sebby:
There is an excelllent download from Canada of the daily BCP order with the 1922 lessons and the days psalms aportioned as in the Prayer Book. It is also nicely presented.
I'd love to see this. Is there a link?
Just revisited this.
To my intense disappointment, I have noticed something wrong with the psalter. Personally, the greatest joy, boon, wonder of The Office, ANY Office, is the Coverdale Psalter.
The psalter on this App describes itself as Coverdale but isn't. There are a number of irritating differences. WHY? HOW COULD THEY.
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Bishops Finger
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Indeed. The poetic, quirky and endearing Coverdale psalms are just about the best bit of the BCP.....IMNSHO!
I recall the days in the Church Of My Yoof when, at ASB Evening Prayer, we used to read the psalms from the RSV Bible....... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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sebby
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I quite understand that. The ASB psalter was ghastly. The CW was an improvement. Perhaps the BCP 1979 of TEC the best modern one.
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DitzySpike
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Originally posted by Percy B:
She prefers non gender specific language for God. She asked me if I know of an office book which would favour or include at least in part such language for God.
I'll definitely go for the ICEL Psalter. These psalms arranged in the 4 weeks schema of the Roman rite is published in Psalms for Morning and Evening Prayer . Alternatively, there is an abridged version of the Benedictine Office published as The Work of God: Benedictine Prayer .
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Galilit
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Wee Worship Book from Iona.
Of course it may not be "Office-y" enough.
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Jengie jon
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There is this book. I am almost certain it is very closely related to the "Each Day and Each Night" that was published by WildGoose!
Given that it is almost certainly in inclusive language.
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Galilit
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I bought Each Day and Each Night a few years ago and was really disappointed in it.
It was really lacking in depth and I felt a lot of the prayers were of doubtful historical use and authenticity.
I did give it away to a wee chapel in the end as I think it is nice, just not on a daily/all the time basis.
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Jengie jon
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I used it for about a year or so but I am pretty sure I augmented it, and I did not believe it was "Celtic" to start with.
Then I find I augment everything including the stuff I prepare myself.
Jengie
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Percy B
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Originally posted by sebby:
I quite understand that. The ASB psalter was ghastly. The CW was an improvement. Perhaps the BCP 1979 of TEC the best modern one.
Is that psalter available as a separate? That is to say can the psalter be bought as a book alone, without the rest of the stuff in TEC BCP?
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Qoheleth.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
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Originally posted by sebby:
I quite understand that. The ASB psalter was ghastly. The CW was an improvement. Perhaps the BCP 1979 of TEC the best modern one.
Is that psalter available as a separate? That is to say can the psalter be bought as a book alone, without the rest of the stuff in TEC BCP?
Is it not the same one as in CCP?
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Jengie jon
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Done some googling and found that [url=http://www.osh.org/breviary.htmlthe Saint Helena Breviary and Psalter[/url] are available. These will be in inclusive language.
I use the Psalter (which can be got from Amazon) but not the Breviary.
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Jengie jon
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Sorry for messing up code. My fault for being over confident.
It is corrected below.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Done some googling and found that the Saint Helena Breviary and Psalter are available. These will be in inclusive language.
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Olaf
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I echo the sentiment of my sagacious shipmates. The St. Helena Breviary is an excellent text, and I say this as a person who likes traditional worship (as enshrined in the 1970s). I am not even a fan of gender-inclusive texts. That said, St, Helena is so well-done that I use it quite often.
Buy the cheap version that is easily available, unless you really want to chant everything and don't mind using seventeen or so bookmarks.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
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Originally posted by sebby:
I quite understand that. The ASB psalter was ghastly. The CW was an improvement. Perhaps the BCP 1979 of TEC the best modern one.
Is that psalter available as a separate? That is to say can the psalter be bought as a book alone, without the rest of the stuff in TEC BCP?
Yes! See here, for example.
It's about the same size as my pocket BCP, but the text for the psalms is of course much larger. It includes a brief, three-page preface, then the 150 psalms. That's all!
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