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Percy B
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Thank you to the hosts for permitting this thread.
I know there is a wide experience of liturgy and worship on the ship.
Sometimes we are looking for something - a particular text, hymn, or already crafted liturgy. Sometimes google isn't helpful, or lacks discernment.
This thread is meant as a friendly and helpful one - to offer help through offering links, or suggestions, or advice.
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Thanks Percy.
Any suggestions or requests to get us started?
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Percy B
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Those are great sites Hart. I never knew such existed.
Two requests for help, please...
A) Hymns / songs for the common worship lectionary sites? We would like to gently extend our range of hymns and think choices from other hymn or songs book could help.
B) intercessions for Eucharist on a Sunday - the prayers of the faithful. We'd like to show people examples from different places, to encourage looking out of our box, a little. Are there sites with sample intercessions?
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Originally posted by Percy B:
A) Hymns / songs for the common worship lectionary sites? We would like to gently extend our range of hymns and think choices from other hymn or songs book could help.
Try Oremus.
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Yes, Oremus is quite good. however I find it is very strongly relating hymns to Bible passages, rather than to themes or seasons.
What would be helpful is like some a site like some hymn books have at the back of their books - a few hymns, not too many, for each Sunday, including seasonal ones, some biblically related ones too, and some more general as suggestions.
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I've always rather liked the CyberHymnal. It can tend to be a little more slanted toward modern (1700-present) evangelical hymnody (as opposed to ancient hymnody), but you can usually find about anything you might need there.
If you search the 'Topics' tab, you will find references to liturgical seasons and feasts.
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Does anyone know of a (easily accessible and not too difficult) plainchant setting of the ordinary of the mass suitable for a modern language Common Worship Eucharist? I have been unable to find anything other than the Corpus Christi Watershed page mentioned above, which only gives the modern Roman translation. Does anyone know of the ICET texts set to plainchant?
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Is this any good?
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Originally posted by Angloid:
Is this any good?
Looks good. Ordered. Thanks!
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May I suggest gospelimprint.com which has a wealth of Common Worship compliant Anglican Catholic liturgy and leaflets?
The site is under the auspices of the inclusive Catholic wing of the CofE and has some excellent and readily adaptable resources.
For those terrified of anything vaguely Marian, just remove the Ave Maria at the end of the intercessions, and replace with a simple authorised conclusion.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
B) intercessions for Eucharist on a Sunday - the prayers of the faithful. We'd like to show people examples from different places, to encourage looking out of our box, a little. Are there sites with sample intercessions?
Try this.
Also if you google 'intercessions proper 3 Year C - or similar, it usually comes up with quite few sites which you could then bookmark.
I find this throws u so many results that I don't even bother to bookmark them.
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Thanks for that helpful link Leo. I can't find a directory for those intercessions though. The link goes to a specific Sunday but I can't work out how to navigate from it to other Sundays' intercessions.
Also my screen shows a slightly annoying A with an accent on it randomly in the text of the prayers.
I find the RC biddings are often more brief than the Anglican ones. Does anyone have a good resource website for them.
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Something to bear in mind:
A thread for sharing suggestions for links of potential use in worship planning is a good idea but it must be appreciated that this is not any kind of paid service, it simply derives from people's helpfulness. It may not, therefore, be the case that everything comes with an exact URL or without formatting errors, nor should this be expected.
Thank you.
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Percy B
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sorry - I don't have a url forthe home page.
I agree that the RC biddings are briefer - much better than those anglicans who tell God what they read in the Sunday Times.
I fiddled about with the URL and found a few more, how odd it doesn't connect well, textweek is usually so good. I find it a great resource.
I will have a look out for RC biddings site. I seem to remember a US university chaplaincy site was good on them.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
Thanks for that helpful link Leo. I can't find a directory for those intercessions though. The link goes to a specific Sunday but I can't work out how to navigate from it to other Sundays' intercessions.
Go to the home page for textweek.com and there is a sidebar down a little on the right where you can select a particular week. Alternatively at the top there is a search function where you can specify the week you want. Also a scripture index that you can use to find the week that uses a particular reading that is relevant to your needs.
When you get to the page for the day you want, scroll down to the Prayers, Prefaces, Litanies, etc.: subheading and there you will find a variety of prayer resources including intercessions.
Love this site.
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Percy B
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Going back to hymns and songs choices for Sundays I realised what I was seeking wasn't so much a general list like Oremus or Cyberhymnal provide, although they are great.
More what would help is the hymn list of churches for the coming weeks, to prompt thought on ideas for hymns. I realise local circumstances vary. It's not about wanting it done for us but more having a look and comparing, and introducing a some fresh ideas.
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Many of our cathedrals have their music lists on line, often including the Sunday hymns.
For example.
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PercyB, try here.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
On 8th November, Three weeks before Advent began, Lutheranchic posted:
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I provide content for our church's Facebook page, and I'm looking for good Advent resources I can share during the month of December. I'm looking for a mix of things for various ages and stages -- interactive Advent calendars for grownups as well as children, collections of Advent-y reflections and the like. I usually Google material like this, but I'm wondering if anyone here has any favorite resources, or even if your church publishes its own Advent resources online. Thanks!
There were some great helpful posts.
Now its 'gesima' time, the time before Lent please could I ask the same question for Lent please?
Any good online or favourite Lent resources you would recommend through experience - to help observe Lent, for our Church website / facebook or whatever?
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Something for the parish website for Lent? This is appropriately unrestful for a Ship of Fools recommendation: Lent Madness.* Each day there is a face-off between two saints of the church. Little biographies are provided and then you vote on-line. Winner passes up to the next bracket, like it's a sports tournament. The thing is, every day you learn a bit about two people whose faithfulness and sacrifices went before us. It's good fun.
*named after "March Madness," which in the US is the late-winter university basketball championship playoffs.
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Percy B
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That looks a little gem, Hart.
As I understand it the Roman rite allows for seasonal responsorial psalms. That is to say not a different one every week, but one or two that can be used, say, in Lent.
But where is the list?
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Thanks for that Ingo - might disagree with some of your theology, but certainly can't disagree at how beautiful that Byrd piece is - have copied it ready to be used for communion music one Sunday soon.
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Percy B
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lent daily mass
Can anyone suggest a website giving the mass readings of the day in Lent, with a brief reflection on them?
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Does anyone know a good source for descants for hymns? Googling returns nothing, something behind a pay-wall, or something dreadful.
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There is no such source. Descants make the Baby Jesus (and the congregation) cry........
.......seriously, though - are they not included in (full) music editions of hymnbooks?
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- Take the tenor part.
- Transpose it up an octave.
- Make the sops sing it.
- Make everybody else sing the tune.
- Change the harmony a bit.
Et voilà*! Instant descant!
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Originally posted by Dal Segno:
Does anyone know a good source for descants for hymns? Googling returns nothing, something behind a pay-wall, or something dreadful.
There are a few online here
Apparently there were first introduced (or reintroduced) by Athelstan Riley, who produced a book called "A Collection of Faux-Bourdons and Descants" which I guess might be hsrd to find. But there were supposedly popularised by that Very Strange Hymbook called "Songs of Praise" what I wibbled about in a previous thread here. which is still in print and quite cheap.
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Glad to see someone finally got the title of this thread correct...
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Originally posted by St. Stephen the Stoned:
- Take the tenor part.
- Transpose it up an octave.
- Make the sops sing it.
- Make everybody else sing the tune.
- Change the harmony a bit.
I hadn't thought of that. I've been messing around with the alto's parts instead.
And no, our full-music hymnbook doesn't include descants ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Thank you.
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A request for help on Lectionaries.
I have what I consider to be a good book of devotional sermons. However it is sermons on the Gospels of the lectionary of the Book of Common Prayer 1662, the Gospel printed in the book.
Is there a table somewhere on line which can tell me when the RCL Gospel is found in BcP - of course I know not are. I had in mind a simple cross reference table rather than having to get the reference and hunt through the current C of E lectionaries.
This way I could then look up the C of E modern RCL sunday Gospel and find when it is in BCP, if it is, and so read the appropriate devotional address.
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Another web site that might help with hymn finding
Singing the Faith
includes weekly readings (for RCL) and some other seasonal bits
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Originally posted by Dal Segno:
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Originally posted by St. Stephen the Stoned:
- Take the tenor part.
- Transpose it up an octave.
- Make the sops sing it.
- Make everybody else sing the tune.
- Change the harmony a bit.
I hadn't thought of that. I've been messing around with the alto's parts instead.
And no, our full-music hymnbook doesn't include descants
Thank you.
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The tenor parts from 18th century music (and earlier) usually work with minimal tweaking.
Victorian stuff not so much, it varies. And make sure it's the tenor vocal line, not the upper line of the bass clef of the accompaniment, if there's a difference.
And modern stuff is usually meant to be sung in unison and probably doesn't have a usable tenor line.
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Percy B
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There are many versions of the stations of the cross. Some I find too heavy or dense.
I have been asked to lead in two weeks time.
The stations we have are the traditional ones.
About 7 or 8 will attend, I guess. Time limited to 25 mins.
Anyone suggest a good online offering which you have found good?
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I'm a big fan of "Everyone's Way of the Cross." You'd have to buy a copy, but it's very cheap and two weeks is plenty of time to get it. I'll also mention, You Have Redeemed the World, stations in my Holy Cross tradition. Not sure if it's available in the UK, though.
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Originally posted by Percy B:
There are many versions of the stations of the cross. Some I find too heavy or dense.
I have been asked to lead in two weeks time.
The stations we have are the traditional ones.
About 7 or 8 will attend, I guess. Time limited to 25 mins.
Anyone suggest a good online offering which you have found good?
This one's very close to what we use. It uses scriptural texts for the short meditations, so they don't get smarmy or saccharine like some versions.
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We've been using an Anglo-Catholic adaptation of the Liguori Stations. I don't much care for it--the Act of Contrition isn't the one I'm used to, and the meditations have a kind of florid morbidity (or morbid floridity?) which seems to come out of a certain Mediterranean spirituality. Not necessarily wrong, but so not my thing.
I have resolved to find a different version for next year, and so these suggestions are welcome.
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Percy B
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Percy B:
Time limited to 25 mins.
You are practically going to have to run round - less than 2 minutes per station?
I am leading an ecumenical stations during Holy Week - 30-40 minutes and some, e.g. baptists, won't have been to Stations before, so i am going to do a 'sample' of 5 stations.
Yes it is a brisk devotion, unlike the one you are doing, Leo. But that's the beauty of this devotion isn't it it can be done in many different ways.
I will aim at not too many words, and silent walk from station to station... Remember there will just be about half a dozen of us.
It's therefore a simple but provoking version I am looking for and I appreciate the help so far.
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A friend has asked if she could help for Good Friday.
In her church it has come down to the church wardens to provide a act of worship so it would be a service of word. Smallish congregation, to be lay lead.
Has anyone an off the peg service they could point me to online which they would recommend. It's A Church of England place by the way.
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Do you have access to the 'Lent, Holy Week and Easter' book? Contains several 'mix and match' options suitable for the Sacred Triduum. Failing that, are there any particular provisions in Common Worship: Daily Prayer?
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I looked at Lent Holy Week and Easter, and did not see a simple service o the word there. Thanks for the suggestion though. What was offered seemed quite prescribed. Long passion readings and prayers like they give are not quite what they would be at ease with, not least because of inexperience in leading. They have been landed a not so easy situation.
CW daily prayer I thought was too complicated for a not very liturgically aware congregation. That's why I was interested to know if the experience of any here could help.
One thing they are looking for in the service is a simple reflection in place of the sermon which a member of the laity could read out. For me that is one of the more difficult parts of the request! It's such a difficult day for a simple devotion.
I have already suggested quietness and silence would be a good part of what they do, as well as some simple hymns.
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I have adapted this in the past and will probably recycle it again this year. I used recorded music in place of the anthems.
To make it compliant with CofE service of the word you need to add the collect and the Lord's prayer
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Thank you so much for that suggestion RosaG.. very helpful indeed.
Now I have another request for help.
We are prodicing a guide to the Eucharist (Common Worship). It will have the text of the service on the right hand side (recto) and opposite on the left (verso) a commentary and aids to devotion.
It is not meant to be used at the service itself, but more as a prayer / study guide for worshipers to look at / read / take home. We hope it will encourage deeper devotion and participation.
We don't want to reinvent the wheel!
We are sure others have done something similar, and in fact we have a very good example from St Martins in the Fields, London.
We would love to see other examples, for inspiration. If you can point to one on line or are willing to e mail one that would be fantastic!
Of course as many of the texts are shared with other denominations it does not have to be Anglican.
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Sorry to be so late with this, but:
Descants : a very good book of these was published by ALAN GREY - you may be able to find it via the RSCM.
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