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Percy B
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A friend suggested BOSTON - the tune - for Mr Wesley's Come sinners Eucharist hymn.
But can I find that tune? No. Anyone help?
Any other thoughts on tune for that one?
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Fulda. No exceptions.
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According to a church music resource site, the tune Boston is also known as Hamburg. Hope that helps.
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Percy B
May I suggest that you get some advice from the Royal School of Church Music (RSCM): it may be that your church is already affiliated, in which case they publish something called Sunday by Sunday which will give hymns and worship songs relating to what is in the Lectionary for the Sunday.
On hymn tunes and such like, find a fairly mainstream book - New English Hymnal, Ancient & Modern or similar - and see what they suggest.
If there is a tune you like and which fits but your congregation don't know then teach it to them: either see if you can have an occasional Congregational Hymn Session (with tea?) to learn new stuff or teach the choir and introduce it that way.
If you like a particular set of words but none of the suggested tunes do it for you then find another either by looking in the Metrical Index at the back of the hymn book or by introducing something entirely new: for example, my church liked the words of Holy Spirit, ever dwelling in the holiest realms of light by Timothy Rees but none of the tunes went down very well: SOLUTION was to use a better tune - Calon Lan in this instance - and the result is a hymn enjoyed and sung by all. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jengie jon
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There is also this tune called Boston. It is probably in CMD see this webpage.
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L'organist
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Percy B
You will find that Come sinners will be OK with either of these tunes:
Rockingham - which you may associate with When I survey the wondrous cross
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Angel's Song - which is use for Forth in thy name O Lord, I go
But a trawl through the Long Meter [LM] section of the metrical index of a hymnal may bring you to a tune you prefer...
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Percy B
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Come sinners...
Thinking of which I went to a Communion service years ago where the invitation went something like:
Come not because you are worthy but ...
With that as a recurring thread in the invitation.
I can't for the life of me find it now, anyone know it, or other different but good words of invitation.
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This is not the same one but is similar in style. Will look again in a bit.
This is the Lord's table. It is made ready for those who love him, and for those who want to love him more.
So come, you who have much faith and you who have little, you who have been here often and you who have not been here long, you who have tried to follow, and you who have failed.
Come, because it is the Lord who invites you. It is his will that those who want him should meet him here.
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Jengie jon
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Originally posted by Percy B:
Come sinners...
Thinking of which I went to a Communion service years ago where the invitation went something like:
Come not because you are worthy but ...
With that as a recurring thread in the invitation.
I can't for the life of me find it now, anyone know it, or other different but good words of invitation.
I know this, this is by John Hunter in his "Devotional Services for Public Worship" usually 1903/4 edition is cited. I blogged about it last year. Lily Pad your version is just a minister riffing on it which actually probably what Percy heard as well though the text is closer.
Oh you won't find it in the official texts, it has become folk liturgy which is why you get these variants.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Oh you won't find it in the official texts, it has become folk liturgy which is why you get these variants.
Yes, you will. A lightly modernised version of that is the invitation in the Lent season Eucharist in the Methodist Worship Book.
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Originally posted by lily pad:
This is not the same one but is similar in style. Will look again in a bit.
This is the Lord's table. It is made ready for those who love him, and for those who want to love him more.
So come, you who have much faith and you who have little, you who have been here often and you who have not been here long, you who have tried to follow, and you who have failed.
Come, because it is the Lord who invites you. It is his will that those who want him should meet him here.
Similar to Taize: quote:
So, come to this table, you who have much faith and you who would like to have more. You who have been to this sacrament often, and you who have not been for a long time; you who have tried to follow Jesus, and you who have failed. Come. Come. It is Christ who invites us to meet him here.
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Jengie jon
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Yes as I said riffing on John Hunters, this is how Reformed Churches do liturgy (that is take a text and contextualise it), and yes in this case it is just Taize showing its Reformed heritage.
I sort of knew about it in the Methodist Service Book but I had been checking mainly Reformed ones and they tend to officially use Bible texts these days. That is Reformed in general and not just URC.
As far as I can find out the invitation that is now part of many "open"* eucharist service was an innovation by John Hunter.
Jengie
*I am using Reformed terminology, an "open table" is one where visitors are welcome to partake; a "closed table" is one where only the faithful may partake. "Faithful" may be defined of the group, congregation, denomination or tradition; visitors simply mean outside that definition. Yes we have both types.
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Does anyone have any good suggestions for hymns for a confirmation service? In this neck of the woods no confirmation or ordination service seems to pass without 'Lord, for the years'. It's OK but I suspect the bishop is getting slightly tired of it.
Apologies if this is taking the thread in the wrong direction.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
Does anyone have any good suggestions for hymns for a confirmation service?
Without knowing your usual hymns and hymnal, I would suggest perusing the Holy Baptism and Pentecost sections of your hymnal. They often work.
Come Down, O Love Divine
Rejoice, God's Pilgrim People
Holy Spirit, Lord of Love
ETA...after seeing charismatic tendencies in your profile, I might also suggest (while I groan)
Here I Am, Lord
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I'd suggest Be thou my vision and other such hymns and songs of commitment. Come down O love divine also comes to mind, and just about anything suitable for Pentecost.
One bishop I know said a number of years ago that just about everywhere he went they put on We have a gospel to proclaim, presumably including confirmations. Firstly, he was fed up singing it, and secondly he wished they would stop talking about it and actually go and proclaim it...
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Our bishop has banned any further use of 'O Jesus I have promised' at Confirmations.
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Percy B
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Originally posted by AndyB:
I'd suggest Be thou my vision and other such hymns and songs of commitment. Come down O love divine also comes to mind, and just about anything suitable for Pentecost.
One bishop I know said a number of years ago that just about everywhere he went they put on We have a gospel to proclaim, presumably including confirmations. Firstly, he was fed up singing it, and secondly he wished they would stop talking about it and actually go and proclaim it...
I think that Bishop may deserve a bit of a telling off. Sadly people do not always tell bishops face to face to get a life!
Firstly - he may be fed up of singing it because he goes to lots of confirmations but actually few people go to lots of confirmations,, sometimes just their own, so maybe he could ponder that!
Secondly, he is rather critical of those who sing it! Is he saying he doesn't talk much but does the Gospel. In my experience bishops talk a lot about the gospel, and actually don't do a lot more.
Maybe bishops should send out lists of hymns they suggest.
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Sounds like one of our former bishops who complained that everywhere he went he had to celebrate the Eucharist. That's really the point of him being the bishop! In any case, they get their revenge by always preaching the same sermon on every occasion.
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Thanks for the suggestions, All. Just about time to commit myself to print.
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Zappa
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Our bishop has banned any further use of 'O Jesus I have promised' at Confirmations.
All the more opportunity for Shine Jesus Shine, then!
Bishops need to be careful. I was privy to an exchange between a former (recent!) Bishop of Durham and a well(ish) known contemprary(ish) Christian songwriter. X + Durham commented publically that he would scream if he had to sing The Servant Song once more (or words to that effect). The author of said song entered into a vibrant if grace-filled exchange with said bishop for several weeks. Ultimately they agreed to differ.
As it happens the song writer is a fan of that particular bishop and his writings.
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Zappa, me thinks you have SJS on your brain atm, IMHO (and irreverent) opinion!
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I am still recovering from an ordination at which St Patrick's Breastplate was not sung! I had begun to assume that it was against the 'Con and Cans' to omit it from Ordination services.
Confirmations do not seem to be too awfully stereotyped in my Diocese. It helps that no-one really knows the three hymns in the Confirmation section f the Hymnal so you do not get them trotted out every single time.
I do, however, have one church that sings 'Let us break bread together on our knees' at every single communion service I have ever attended there! I would imagine this gets quite wearing after a while as like most MOTR-Broad places it seems to have the Eucharist on every possible occasion, and then make something up if it is not possible to make it a Eucharist!
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