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american piskie
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Originally posted by Enoch:
NEQ, if you don't mind me saying this, 'intimations' is to me, a magnificently and indelibly CofS word, as precise a marker as all sorts of peculiar Russian words mark someone as Orthodox.
Spot on. The dynamically equivalent translation of Ash Wednesday's "memento homo" for Scots of a certain age is the funeral director's
"Friends are asked to accept this, the only intimation and invitation."
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Episcoterian
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Or any of the following
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- "communion cards" and "elders visit" or is my ex-pat congregation the only one still keeping this.
[snip] - "Presbytery" - I think nearest Anglican equivalent is Deanery but...
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People in the inland here still expect official visits to their homes. Especially from the minister. One of the surest modifiers of the congregation's opinion on him will is whether he visits or not. And I'm terrible at it. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Such visits are no longer connected with Eucharistic participation, though.
On the Presbytery, I always equated it with the Diocese.
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Jengie jon
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Heck no, ministers visits are not elders visits and never have been prior to communion, imagine in a parish of a thousand a minister trying to visit every household in the run up to communion! Poor guy, he would not have time to sleep, eat or drink except the cups of tea he got during his visit.
You need elders (or pastoral visitors) to do that, a team of 20 only means 50 people each and with households with two, three or four people in that maybe as few as 20 visits each. Even then they might well be brief, a "Hello, here is your card, goodbye"
The ministers visits were for emergency otherwise on a multi-year cycle and took longer. Thr biggest challenge to them is the number of women working. No longer can the minister assume that if he/she drops in during the day the woman of the household may be in.
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[ 15. February 2013, 12:58: Message edited by: Jengie Jon ]
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North East Quine
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We have a maximum of 10 households per elder, AFAIK.
Where I grew in, it was customary to offer the elder a "dram" but fortunately either times have changed, or this area is different, because it's tea and biscuits all the way now.
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Episcoterian
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The ministers visits were for emergency otherwise on a multi-year cycle and took longer. Thr biggest challenge to them is the number of women working. No longer can the minister assume that if he/she drops in during the day the woman of the household may be in.
This makes visits only possible in the evening or during weekends, which causes all sorts of familiar and ecclesiastical schedule conflicts.
Which is why pastoral visits have been entirely done with in big and medium-sized cities. Your best chance of getting a visit from the minister is if you're in the deathbed. Else, should you want to meet the minister, you make an appointment and show up at his study.
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