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Manipled Mutineer
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Fifty or so years ago, there was a fashion among progressive clergy to wear white ties. It was presented as a modernisation of the mid-nineteenth century white cravate, then worn wrapped round a a high collar and with a high black waistcoat. It never seemed to catch on. I haven't seen it worn for many years.
Unfortunately, perhaps, white ties with black shirts tend to go with dark glasses and a criminal record.
I understand Alec Vidler favoured the look as, rather less positively, did Pierre Laval.
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by Amos:
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Originally posted by christianbuddhist:
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Originally posted by Alisdair:
Likewise, many colours, but hardly ever black---especially not on hospital wards.
I think you can get away with black in hospitals as long as you combine it with a nice cardigan or jumper in a cheerful colour. Plain black is too austere, you might as well dress up as Death and have done with it.
Nonsense! I've been getting away with plain black on hospital wards for years. A lick of lipstick does the trick.
Another black-clad hospital chaplain here, but no lipstick. I rely on boyish charm. And I never get accused of being Death, unless I happen to be carrying my scythe and TALKING LIKE THIS.
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Graham J
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Originally posted by Charles Read:
I have clerical shirts of many colours but only one is patterned - narrow blue and white stripes. I even have one that is canary yellow - but the collar is too tight now. Must get it altered because that shirt is so offensive to wear it gave me great pleasure in winding up other clergy.
I warmly recommend "button extenders" (available from Amazon among other sources) to give tight collars a new lease of life.
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WearyPilgrim
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Fifty or so years ago, there was a fashion among progressive clergy to wear white ties. It was presented as a modernisation of the mid-nineteenth century white cravate, then worn wrapped round a a high collar and with a high black waistcoat. It never seemed to catch on. I haven't seen it worn for many years.
Unfortunately, perhaps, white ties with black shirts tend to go with dark glasses and a criminal record.
Clergy, dressed as such, and carrying violin cases: "Christianity! Have we got a deal for youse!"
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Albertus
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Fifty or so years ago, there was a fashion among progressive clergy to wear white ties. It was presented as a modernisation of the mid-nineteenth century white cravate, then worn wrapped round a a high collar and with a high black waistcoat. It never seemed to catch on. I haven't seen it worn for many years.
Unfortunately, perhaps, white ties with black shirts tend to go with dark glasses and a criminal record.
I understand Alec Vidler favoured the look as, rather less positively, did Pierre Laval.
And, I think, Stanley Booth-Clibborn when Vicar of Great St Mary's Cambridge
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Metapelagius
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Black shirts with white ties? - I'm sure we have been here before.
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sebby
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Originally posted by Charles Read:
I have clerical shirts of many colours but only one is patterned - narrow blue and white stripes. I even have one that is canary yellow - but the collar is too tight now. Must get it altered because that shirt is so offensive to wear it gave me great pleasure in winding up other clergy.
Today I am wearing dark-ish green. I only wear clericals when I am doing somethuing religious, as I have been today in deepest rural Norfolk (church in a field, no electricity...)
When I am lecturing, I wear collar and tie.
I don't quite understand this. Do you lecture in theology? If so, why would you wish to ape secular culture, or even especially as a cleric, wear a tie at all and dress like a banker?
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by sebby:
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Originally posted by Charles Read:
I have clerical shirts of many colours but only one is patterned - narrow blue and white stripes. I even have one that is canary yellow - but the collar is too tight now. Must get it altered because that shirt is so offensive to wear it gave me great pleasure in winding up other clergy.
Today I am wearing dark-ish green. I only wear clericals when I am doing somethuing religious, as I have been today in deepest rural Norfolk (church in a field, no electricity...)
When I am lecturing, I wear collar and tie.
I don't quite understand this. Do you lecture in theology? If so, why would you wish to ape secular culture, or even especially as a cleric, wear a tie at all and dress like a banker?
Sebby-- you and I perhaps operate in different cultural contexts. In Ottawa, I note that most bankers, corporate hoodlums, and the younger and vulturous sort of public service manager now wear suits, dress shirts and no tie. Ties are worn by office minions (albeit some of them are ambitious) and retired gentlemen.
French clerics of a certain generation wore suits and ties as a typical garment of the urban working class, but with small crosses on their lapels to indicate their sacerdotal status.
Apropos of shirt colours, when last in Montréal I was walking down Sainte Catherine on my way to lunch with a Manchurian friend (an academic connexion of my bureaucratic days, and a former jammer with La Racaille, when I saw Cardinal Turcotte and Msgr Dowd, Bishop of Treba, heading toward me. The Cardinal was not wearing the black piped-with-red shirt I was expecting, but rather a very light grey, as one is accustomed to see with TEC clergy (Bp Dowd was in plain black as befits a lean and serious young prelate). Of course I raised my hat as one should when meeting a successor of the Apostles in the street, but later asking one of my RC acquaintances about the light-coloured shirt and what it might signify, I was told that perhaps the cardinal liked that colour.
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KevinL
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Originally posted by Hart:
full collar = tie; tab = shirt, no tie (in terms of lay formality).
If you will all pardon the jump back to an earlier post, where does a tonsure collar fit in the hierarchy of formality?
cheers in advance.
edited to do the cool "originally posted by Hart" bit.
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womanspeak
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About ten years ago I remember a few younger clerics who cut out a tab from the plastic margarine tub with the brand PRAISE front and centre to insert in their collar. Most suitable until the Bishop catches you wearing one.
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Zacchaeus
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Originally posted by womanspeak:
About ten years ago I remember a few younger clerics who cut out a tab from the plastic margarine tub with the brand PRAISE front and centre to insert in their collar. Most suitable until the Bishop catches you wearing one.
In the UK what used to be used was the white plastic washing up liquid bottle, fairy liquid.
There was a scene in the 'Vicar of dibley' (I think)a UK comedy show, where the word 'fairy' was left showing.
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by KevinL:
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Originally posted by Hart:
full collar = tie; tab = shirt, no tie (in terms of lay formality).
If you will all pardon the jump back to an earlier post, where does a tonsure collar fit in the hierarchy of formality?
cheers in advance.
edited to do the cool "originally posted by Hart" bit.
Fairly formal, with a hint of sinister.
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John Holding
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Originally posted by Zacchaeus:
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Originally posted by womanspeak:
About ten years ago I remember a few younger clerics who cut out a tab from the plastic margarine tub with the brand PRAISE front and centre to insert in their collar. Most suitable until the Bishop catches you wearing one.
In the UK what used to be used was the white plastic washing up liquid bottle, fairy liquid.
There was a scene in the 'Vicar of dibley' (I think)a UK comedy show, where the word 'fairy' was left showing.
At the time George Carey was elevated to Canterbury, there was a story circulating that he'd found himself on the way to a meeting without the requisite tab for his collar and used a piece of plastic cut from (I think) a yoghurt container as a substitute.
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Stranger in a strange land
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Originally posted by sebby:
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Originally posted by Charles Read:
I have clerical shirts of many colours but only one is patterned - narrow blue and white stripes. I even have one that is canary yellow - but the collar is too tight now. Must get it altered because that shirt is so offensive to wear it gave me great pleasure in winding up other clergy.
Today I am wearing dark-ish green. I only wear clericals when I am doing somethuing religious, as I have been today in deepest rural Norfolk (church in a field, no electricity...)
When I am lecturing, I wear collar and tie.
I don't quite understand this. Do you lecture in theology?...
That was meant to be the idea. It was generally just an hour of Catholic-bashing
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Mama Thomas
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I thought everyone had cut a piece of plastic from a container at LEAST once. I have one now. Was laughing with a group of clergy about the various items cut up before important dos -- margarine tubs, bleach bottles etc. -- and was shocked that this one old guy had never heard of it. "Don't they always come with one?" He asked. We had to say, "no" and sometimes they get lost if they do.
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fr monty
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I don't think you can read that much into the colours anymore. Like Charles Read I delight in wearing coloured shirts green/royal blue just to provoke a response amongst some of my anglo catholic brethen. Ironically I work in a deanery where the three of us who are firm anglo catholic very rarely wear blue shirts. On the other hand our charismatic evangelical neighbour favours black tonsured shirts. Have not got a canary yellow shirt yet!
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fr monty
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that should read very rarely wear black shirts
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