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Jengie jon
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Leo is talking utter twaddle about universities.
Until quite recently, anyone new in our congregation would routinely be asked, 'What department are you in?'
Yeah but that is not the same as asking "Do you have a doctorate?" They ask me that and I reply the name of an admin department in the University. A cleaner can say estates. Even if they say something like "microbiology" they can be a secretary, technical assistant or some none academic role.
It just means that they have spotted that lots of people attending are employed by the University, not that they will not listen to you because you do not have PhD.
Jengie
p.s. two people you do not cross as an academic, the departmental secretary and the cleaner!
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Leo is talking utter twaddle about universities.
Until quite recently, anyone new in our congregation would routinely be asked, 'What department are you in?'
Department?
Life.
Get out more, I suggest. Find a world that isn't just academia or those individuals who can't relate to anyone who isn't a clone.
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Originally posted by leo:
[QUOTE]Until recently, most evangelicals I knew were killjoys.
Oh, leo, where have you been all of my life?
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Angloid
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Originally posted by leo:
Until recently, most evangelicals I knew were killjoys.
By 'recently' you surely mean 50 years ago. I've not come across many such in that time (and plenty of judgemental anglo-catholics and others).
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Saint Hedrin the Lesser-Known
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Local 'Piskie priests here (and our sister church, the Iglesia Filipina Independiente) seem to dislike being styled "The Reverend Mr./Miss" past the diaconate. They're usually addressed as "Father" or the gender-neutral local term "Padi" (itself a corruption of "padre" from the olden days in the North, but the use thereof outside these Islands will not fly under any circumstance), although I call the ladies "Mother."
By and large, even evangelical 'Piskie priests here are called "Father." They don't mind.
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Emendator Liturgia
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Originally posted by Enoch:
The lawyers don't usually have PhDs. It isn't a field a person can do that sort of research in. They have to make their name by writing articles and text books or giving expensive opinions. Back in the 1960s, at the time of the wind of change, there was one of them that did quite a sideline in writing constitutions.
The Senior Assistant Solicitor-General here in NSW has a PhD - which he wrote on a famous court case in the 1930s when the Bishop of Bathurst was taken to court for diverging from the Book of Common Prayer when he produced a book of devotional instruction (it really did upset the apple cart here in evangelical heart-land)!
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Gee D
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The (sadly late) Justice David Hodgson, of the NSW Supreme Court and Court of Appeal had a D Phil from Oxford in philosophy - Hart said that Hodgson was the best doctoral student he had seen. He had a very substantial reputation as a philosopher, as well as a lawyer, his last book being published only a few months before his death. He did not use his doctoral title in his practice as a lawyer, nor in private life.
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Augustine the Aleut
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As far as Canadian lawyers go-- the one law PhD I know uses his Dr at the University, but is Mr when at the bar-- I have a vague memory that there is a judicial protocal guideline on this. The University of Toronto has recently muddied things further by transforming their LLB into a JD (so as to "assist graduate in the global legal personnel market", viz., the US where many law schools issue JDs) but I have not met any of these graduates yet, so do not know if they chance their titular arm.
The qualified canon lawyers (JCD and DScOrient) I know are RC clerics, who do not use Revd Dr, just Revd or Father. One would dearly love to be a monsignor, but for many reasons will have to wait a very long time.
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Albertus
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The Americans have muddied this a lot in their (to me inexplicable, except in terms of 'title inflation', and very unhelpful) use of doctoral titles for what are essentially Bachelors or Masters level professional qualifications. Mrs A is seeing this in one of the healthcare professions now, where people are getting into a tizz about their American equivalents apparently having doctorates but finding it difficult to see that these are not doctorates as we understand them in the UK.
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Augustine the Aleut
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I mentioned above how the Orthies seem to make Byzantine honorifics sound chummy. As well, I recall well how Irish friends of mine were able to use "May it please Your Grace" to actually mean "Stand over here, eejit."
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Bostonman
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Originally posted by Albertus:
The Americans have muddied this a lot in their (to me inexplicable, except in terms of 'title inflation', and very unhelpful) use of doctoral titles for what are essentially Bachelors or Masters level professional qualifications. Mrs A is seeing this in one of the healthcare professions now, where people are getting into a tizz about their American equivalents apparently having doctorates but finding it difficult to see that these are not doctorates as we understand them in the UK.
Have we muddied it through title inflation, or is just a difference of history? Columbia University have been granting the MD as their medical professional degree (i.e., after four years of training, following a four-year B.A. or B.S. degree) since 1767. The JD, I'll admit, is a horrifyingly recent innovation (not), dating from only the nineteenth century.
Just so everyone is on the same page, the typical American pattern for the various professions would be:
- Medicine: B.A. or B.S. (4 years), then M.D. (4 years); if they want to do research, a further PhD. in biology or a medical field
- Law: B.A. (4 years), then J.D. (3 years)
- Ministry: B.A. (4 years), then MDiv. (3 years)
- Business: B.A. or B.S. (4 years), then some work experience, then M.B.A. (2 years)
- Teaching: B.A. or B.S. (4 years), then M.A. or M.A.T. (2 years)
In large part this structure has been to avoid conferring second bachelor's degrees, since none of the professional degrees involved (M.D./J.D./MDiv./M.B.A./M.A.T.) can be received as first bachelor's degrees.
How does it work in Britain?
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