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Thread: William Lane Craig
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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# 76
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Originally posted by Jamat:
To say that we cannot believe in a God who is a mass murderer is to bang on in human terms, judging the almighty as if he were one of us.
The error of this is palpable. [/QB]
No, it's the result of 30 years of thinking about this particular subject as a Christian. But I'm used to this sort of patronising superior bullshit response.
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Jamat
Shipmate
# 11621
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Posted
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
To say that we cannot believe in a God who is a mass murderer is to bang on in human terms, judging the almighty as if he were one of us.
The error of this is palpable.
No, it's the result of 30 years of thinking about this particular subject as a Christian. But I'm used to this sort of patronising superior bullshit response. [/QB]
Now Gwai, How consistent are you?
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Jamat ..in utmost longditude, where Heaven
with Earth and ocean meets, the setting sun slowly descended, and with right aspect
Against the eastern gate of Paradise. (Milton Paradise Lost Bk iv)
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South Coast Kevin
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Posted
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Originally posted by Jamat:
To say that we cannot believe in a God who is a mass murderer is to bang on in human terms, judging the almighty as if he were one of us.
The error of this is palpable.
I'm with Karl on this one. What he's doing is acknowledging the massive disconnect between Yahweh of the Old Testament who (apparently) told the Israelites to slaughter their enemies and the New Testament Jesus who instructed his followers to turn the other cheek, bless those who curse us and so on.
IMO we can't pretend there's no contradiction here and hide behind a seemingly holy unwillingness to question the character of God. There's a disconnect between the OT and the NT portrayal of who God is; what are we going to do about that?
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Gwai
Shipmate
# 11076
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Posted
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
To say that we cannot believe in a God who is a mass murderer is to bang on in human terms, judging the almighty as if he were one of us.
The error of this is palpable.
No, it's the result of 30 years of thinking about this particular subject as a Christian. But I'm used to this sort of patronising superior bullshit response.
Now Gwai, How consistent are you? [/QB]
If you would like to discuss my hosting, ask in the Styx. I would be happy to discuss my reasons there. Purgatory is not the place to discuss hosting.
Gwai,
Purgatory Host
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If they think they ha’ slain our Goodly Fere
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Raptor Eye
Shipmate
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Posted
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Originally posted by South Coast Kevin:
I'm with Karl on this one. What he's doing is acknowledging the massive disconnect between Yahweh of the Old Testament who (apparently) told the Israelites to slaughter their enemies and the New Testament Jesus who instructed his followers to turn the other cheek, bless those who curse us and so on.
IMO we can't pretend there's no contradiction here and hide behind a seemingly holy unwillingness to question the character of God. There's a disconnect between the OT and the NT portrayal of who God is; what are we going to do about that?
What Jesus said comes from the Old Testament: the New reflects the Old, and vice versa. The way people see God in our lives must vary from generation to generation, even though God is the same good Lord throughout. Each side in a war thinks that God is with them. What kind of God do they see? One who is on the side of what is right.
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Martin60
Shipmate
# 368
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No He's not Raptor Eye. In Jesus He wasn't violent or even coercive (the chickens in the temple might disagree). So however He is when He's not incarnate is no example for us.
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Jamat
Shipmate
# 11621
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Posted
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Originally posted by Gwai:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
To say that we cannot believe in a God who is a mass murderer is to bang on in human terms, judging the almighty as if he were one of us.
The error of this is palpable.
No, it's the result of 30 years of thinking about this particular subject as a Christian. But I'm used to this sort of patronising superior bullshit response.
Now Gwai, How consistent are you?
If you would like to discuss my hosting, ask in the Styx. I would be happy to discuss my reasons there. Purgatory is not the place to discuss hosting.
Gwai,
Purgatory Host [/QB]
I don't wish to discuss anything with you.
Ship of Fools is actually not the place of Christian unrest if it ever was. It is the place of unrest about Christians. The emotions generated by an unpleasant and vindictive post like Karl's, actually affect my health. I wish him no ill will but this is no longer fun for me. It is a place where arrogance and bullying often prevail so I will leave it at that.
Blessings on you all.
Jamat
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Jamat ..in utmost longditude, where Heaven
with Earth and ocean meets, the setting sun slowly descended, and with right aspect
Against the eastern gate of Paradise. (Milton Paradise Lost Bk iv)
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
Shipmate
# 76
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Jamat - I'm sorry this discussion has affected you negatively. You probably do right to take some time out. But you must understand that it seems reasonable that someone who describes other people's positions as palpably erroneous and who describes posters as silly fools would be willing to receive robust replies to their points. I was careful to address your response, rather than launch a personal attack on you.
All the best. I've had to take steps back myself.
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Might as well ask the bloody cat.
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Martin60
Shipmate
# 368
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What a gent.
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Love wins
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
# 1984
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
To say that we cannot believe in a God who is a mass murderer is to bang on in human terms, judging the almighty as if he were one of us.
The error of this is palpable.
No, it's the result of 30 years of thinking about this particular subject as a Christian. But I'm used to this sort of patronising superior bullshit response.
Now Gwai, How consistent are you?
If you would like to discuss my hosting, ask in the Styx. I would be happy to discuss my reasons there. Purgatory is not the place to discuss hosting.
Gwai,
Purgatory Host
I don't wish to discuss anything with you.
Ship of Fools is actually not the place of Christian unrest if it ever was. It is the place of unrest about Christians. The emotions generated by an unpleasant and vindictive post like Karl's, actually affect my health. I wish him no ill will but this is no longer fun for me. It is a place where arrogance and bullying often prevail so I will leave it at that.
Blessings on you all.
Jamat [/QB]
This is not on topic, it is a discussion of ship's business. Use styx if you wish, but don't post this material here.
Doublethink
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All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. George Orwell
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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Jamat,
You've been on the Ship long enough to know that it is fine for people to attack ideas, but not posters. And that disagreements with Hosting decisions belong in the Styx.
We now return you to the scheduled discussion on William Lane Craig ...
Tubbs
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"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it up and remove all doubt" - Dennis Thatcher. My blog. Decide for yourself which I am
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