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shamwari
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So we have a third in line to the throne.
A very long time for this child to wait. The present Queen is still going strong.
Interested in what those of a Republican nature have to say
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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What do you expect us to say? Baby. And in 60 years or so he may be king. Were it not he, it would be another unless the constitution change.
Other than that my feelings and thoughts are none other than on learning anyone else I do not know has had a baby.
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I wish him and his parents well, and I hope he gets to make his own way in the world. Unlikely, I know, but I can hope.
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When is normal viewing going to be resumed on the TV? I've come home early especially to watch "Long Lost Family." ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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When is normal viewing going to be resumed on the TV?
A week? Two?
We're doomed.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Interested in what those of a Republican nature have to say
Why, for heaven's sake? IME the views of most republicans are slightly less interesting than a bumper edition of You and Yours.
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I think we should be happy for this young couple just as we would be for anyone else.
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Firenze
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'Born a child' - fairly incontestable: what else would he be born as? A gibbon?
But King? Even his grandfather isn't one of those. I hope that by the time this wean is of age, he need not dread a life shackled to an outworn myth and he can go off and do something useful and satisfying.
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I'm delighted the child is born, apparently well, and relieved for William and Kate, though I expect Kate would rather had the baby a week or so back before this recent spell of hot weather which is about to break.
The Windsor women are notably long-lived, the men a bit less so, so there is a chance of HM emulating her mother and becoming a centenarian queen. By then Charles will be pushing eighty with a short stick, so William might not be first in line for very long, making the new child heir from anywhere between his teens to his late twenties. He's unlikely to be heir for as long as Charles, who has been in that position for 61 years.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I hope that by the time this wean is of age, he need not dread a life shackled to an outworn myth and he can go off and do something useful and satisfying.
Like his dad has?
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British respondents might be reminded that according to the English Statute of Treasons drawn up in 1351, it is an offence to ‘compass or imagine the death of our lord the king.' I'd stick to "God save the Queen," if I were you.
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shamwari
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Typical Firenze. Expected nothing less.
The phrase in question was a quote from a hymn by Charles Wesley.
But you could not be expected to know that.
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Interested in what those of a Republican nature have to say
Why, for heaven's sake? IME the views of most republicans are slightly less interesting than a bumper edition of You and Yours.
But I've so far noticed about half a dozen articles, all with a seemingly royalist bent, practically taunting republicans about the birth. The National Post, a right-wing Canadian paper with strong anglophile pretensions, mused in its headline that republicans must be chagrined about the CN Tower in Toronto having its colours changed to commemorate the birth.
It reminded me of when the Queen Mother died about a decade ago, and a British paper just had to run a cartoon of a statue of Cromwell, stomping his feet and cursing the people who were lined up below him in mourning.
So apparently, going "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" to supposedly pissed off republicans is an indispensible part of any royal celebration!
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Oh, don't get me wrong. Believe me, some of the company you have to share can make it pretty embarassing to be a monarchist.
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Well unless there is some kind of massacre at the Palace this child won't actualy reach the throne since dad and grandad are queued up ahead.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. Believe me, some of the company you have to share can make it pretty embarassing to be a monarchist.
The Daily Mail has - as ever - got lots of photos on its website. I think the 'self-proclaimed Town Cryer', the people who have baked a cake and bought balloons along, and the bloke who's been camped out on the bench outside the hospital for seven days should be moved on somewhere, possibly by men in white coats.
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When Diana died, my daughter came upstairs and said in disgust: "Diana and Dodi are dead and there's nothing else on the TV".
That's how I feel this evening - coverage across all major TV channels of people wittering platitudes outside St Mary's Hospital.
But - it's a baby, and that's always lovely.
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You know we've got these things called books, right?
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PaulBC
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This new prince will have a long wait until he is King. And that is as it should be . IF HM
King George VI had not been a heavy smoker IMO he would have lived long after 1952. Remember HM the Queen was only 25 when she came to the throne. Long may she reign.
To those who want the monarchy gone. Read the post above regard the defiition of treason in Britiss law.
Blessings all
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Not born a child or a king: born a BABY (or human).
Yes, total overkill "news" coverage. Not anti-monarchist but perhaps the 1948 style announcement that the Duchess had been "delivered of a prince" would have been better than this constant stream of speculative drivel.
Wish them well, as I would any new parents.
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Augustine the Aleut
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Originally posted by Stetson:
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Interested in what those of a Republican nature have to say
Why, for heaven's sake? IME the views of most republicans are slightly less interesting than a bumper edition of You and Yours.
But I've so far noticed about half a dozen articles, all with a seemingly royalist bent, practically taunting republicans about the birth. The National Post, a right-wing Canadian paper with strong anglophile pretensions, mused in its headline that republicans must be chagrined about the CN Tower in Toronto having its colours changed to commemorate the birth.
*snip*!
The only chagrin I have seen so far is a FB post by a challenge-traditional-notions-of-gender-identity activist of my acquaintance who is asking us to call in to the CN Tower to complain about gender stereotyping.
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We (left side of the pond) hold these truths to be self evident, that all babies are created equally adorable...
We fought a revolution so we wouldn't have to get all excited about this one. Maybe we lost.
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Originally posted by shamwari:
The phrase in question was a quote from a hymn by Charles Wesley.
Posh couple have baby equates to the Incarnation?
However, as far as I can see - looking out the window - the Swedes seems to be taking it calmly.
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Originally posted by PaulBC:
This new prince will have a long wait until he is King. And that is as it should be . IF HM
King George VI had not been a heavy smoker IMO he would have lived long after 1952. Remember HM the Queen was only 25 when she came to the throne. Long may she reign.
To those who want the monarchy gone. Read the post above regard the defiition of treason in Britiss law.
Blessings all
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Wanting an end to the monarchy does not equal wanting the death of the monarch.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
However, as far as I can see - looking out the window - the Swedes seems to be taking it calmly.
The carrots and parsnips are also doing OK!
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Originally posted by Jigsaw:
When Diana died, my daughter came upstairs and said in disgust: "Diana and Dodi are dead and there's nothing else on the TV".
That's how I feel this evening - coverage across all major TV channels of people wittering platitudes outside St Mary's Hospital.
But - it's a baby, and that's always lovely.
I feel about the same - I am glad for the couple and their new baby, and hope they get some decent time alone with him. But I feel the same as I do about any other baby belonging to people I don't know, but those babies don't tend to clog up my morning news programming. I'm much more interested in the weather forecast (hooray, rain at last!)!
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Originally posted by PaulBC:
This new prince will have a long wait until he is King. And that is as it should be . IF HM
King George VI had not been a heavy smoker IMO he would have lived long after 1952. Remember HM the Queen was only 25 when she came to the throne. Long may she reign.
To those who want the monarchy gone. Read the post above regard the defiition of treason in Britiss law.
Blessings all
PaulBC
Apparently you're ok on the treason front if you have sex with the king or the prince of wales though (just not the queen or their eldest daughter), just in case anyone was concerned.
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I think that any fair minded person, especially a Christian, would be happy to congratulate the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the birth of their first child, even those not dedicated to the idea of monarchy.
The Queen is currently Head of State in 16 countries, known as the Commonwealth realms , but as it's likely, barring calamities, to be 50 years or more before this child is eligible to be king, who knows what constitutions any of these countries may have adopted by then. If the UK still exists by then, perhaps demographic changes and changes of attitude will mean that there's no longer a throne to succeed to by then.
Since the Restoration, our kings and queens have sat on the throne only by the will of parliament and the people. Which is why I get annoyed when republicans say that our hereditary Head of State is undemocratic. If it ever becomes so, we will remove it.
As an ardent monarchist and supporter of our constitution, though I won't live to see it, I hope that this child will one day be king. But who knows what kind of world he will grow up in, and what the people will want by then? Only time will tell.
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It was my Mum's 93rd birthday so my family had a lovely time with her and didn't even notice or know about it.
I say it's just a baby - why all the hype?
I wish the new parents well, like I would any others. It seems like some kind of crazyness, this celebrity of monarchy in our country. Other monarchies seem to do very well without the madness.
When I got home it was a 'radio and TV off' day for me. Probably today too the way they seem to drag these things on.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
The phrase in question was a quote from a hymn by Charles Wesley.
Posh couple have baby equates to the Incarnation?
Don't be silly Firenze.
I imagine shamwari jsut thought it would make a good title for the thread (and it did)
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Originally posted by shamwari:
So we have a third in line to the throne.
A very long time for this child to wait. The present Queen is still going strong.
Interested in what those of a Republican nature have to say
I'm an American. Registered Democrat. Congratulations to William & Kate Wales on the safe delivery of a boy child, yet to be named.
HIP! HIP! HOORAY! for Queen Elizabeth and England forever from the USA!
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British respondents might be reminded that according to the English Statute of Treasons drawn up in 1351, it is an offence to ‘compass or imagine the death of our lord the king.' I'd stick to "God save the Queen," if I were you.
So can we look forward to mass executions at the BBC? I mean, they needn't actually be at the BBC - we could drag them through the streets behind a team of horses as far as Tower Hill, and do it there.
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Originally posted by Kwesi:
British respondents might be reminded that according to the English Statute of Treasons drawn up in 1351, it is an offence to ‘compass or imagine the death of our lord the king.' I'd stick to "God save the Queen," if I were you.
So can we look forward to mass executions at the BBC? I mean, they needn't actually be at the BBC - we could drag them through the streets behind a team of horses as far as Tower Hill, and do it there.
I think televised executions would be more of an ITV thing.
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Originally posted by PaulBC:
This new prince will have a long wait until he is King. And that is as it should be . IF HM
King George VI had not been a heavy smoker IMO he would have lived long after 1952. Remember HM the Queen was only 25 when she came to the throne. Long may she reign.
To those who want the monarchy gone. Read the post above regard the defiition of treason in Britiss law.
Blessings all
PaulBC
Don't be silly. Do you really think that they should come and arrest me for being a republican?
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Any decent person - monarchist or republican - would surely wish William, Catherine and their child every happiness. I get a little tired or republicans being portrayed as chippy and joyless or as Oliver Cromwell incarnate.
It's simply that I can't square becoming head of state (never mind 16) by some accident of birth, It offends against democracy.
At the end of the day this child will become monarch because his ancestors carried a bigger stick than anyone else's and weren't afraid of using it.
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Originally posted by Matariki:
I get a little tired or republicans being portrayed as chippy and joyless.
They often have a habit of coming across that way.
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In the late 20th century the monarchy achieved one great and truly important thing. The mere fact that it existed meant that Margaret Thatcher could never call herself Head of State.
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Perhaps Anglican't, and some republican friends of mine have not been able to utter a kind word today and that's a shame. Though I don't think people who dress from head to toe in Union Jacks and camp out for days to celebrate the birth of the third in line to the thrown are really a good look for monarchists. It comes across as a bit mad and really - if I were a monarchist - I would want the Royal Family to be spared this crazy celebrity status. I think it might be their undoing in the end.
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Did I write thrown. Whoops, a republican freudian slip.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by Matariki:
I get a little tired or republicans being portrayed as chippy and joyless.
They often have a habit of coming across that way.
Perhaps it's resenting the sense some people appear to have that we should be especially pleased and happy for this particular couple and their baby. When to us they're just another new family and our feelings are neither more negative nor more positive than they are for any other couple we do not know and have never met who have a new baby.
It's a bit like when England gets into the semi-finals in some international football tournament and we're "meant" to get all excited whereas to some of us it's just "meh".
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... Though I don't think people who dress from head to toe in Union Jacks and camp out for days to celebrate the birth of the third in line to the thrown are really a good look for monarchists. It comes across as a bit mad and really - if I were a monarchist - I would want the Royal Family to be spared this crazy celebrity status. ...
Precisely. I am, and I do.
I've been very impressed by the quiet dignity of the Dutch and Belgian monarchies in their recent abdications and accessions. I've always been attached to the idea of the anointed monarch that we have here, but I'm coming to think that the Low Countries model of civic monarchy is the way to go: it would spare us all the fawning and hype that, as you say, is threatening the institution.
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Originally posted by Matariki:
At the end of the day this child will become monarch because his ancestors carried a bigger stick than anyone else's and weren't afraid of using it.
No, he will become king because his ancestors and family did their job so well the country was pleased with them and assented to their rule (even when some of them went a bit doolally we liked them so much we kept them on the throne).
When a king doens't do his job well, or the people think he hasn't, heads come off or they are forced to abdicate. The modern British constitutional monarchy (post William III I'd say) isn't a story of oppression of the strong, but of success of the dutiful.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
The phrase in question was a quote from a hymn by Charles Wesley.
Posh couple have baby equates to the Incarnation?
Don't be silly Firenze.
I imagine shamwari jsut thought it would make a good title for the thread (and it did)
Hmmmm. IMO, gods and kings tend to be waaay too much in cahoots. After all, if the real reason you have the job is either accident of birth, or you knifed the last guy to hold it, then the thought will inevitably occur to the bystanders Why him and not me? So it helps if you can get them to accept that God picked you. Specially.
I have nothing against the present crowd, who to all appearances are a collection of more or less pleasant, if dim/cranky rich people. Rather it's the projection on to these unremarkable people all sorts of powers and virtues they do not possess.
Elected heads of state can be good or bad, but at least we recognise that they are our creatures, and can be replaced at will. Perhaps the monarchy should be decided by lot* and be for a fixed term?
*Chesterton's idea, of course, not mine.
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Originally posted by Matariki:
At the end of the day this child will become monarch because his ancestors carried a bigger stick than anyone else's and weren't afraid of using it.
No, he will become king because his ancestors and family did their job so well the country was pleased with them and assented to their rule (even when some of them went a bit doolally we liked them so much we kept them on the throne).
When a king doens't do his job well, or the people think he hasn't, heads come off or they are forced to abdicate. The modern British constitutional monarchy (post William III I'd say) isn't a story of oppression of the strong, but of success of the dutiful.
Bit of both, really, innit? The more immediate ancestors you're referring to were in a position to be dutiful (i.e. backsides on the big chair) because of their ancestors further back who had the bigger stick. William the Bastard didn't win at Senlac hill because of a sense of duty.
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The modern British constitutional monarchy (post William III I'd say) isn't a story of oppression of the strong, but of success of the dutiful.
I like that. A lot.
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Yeah Karl, but there isn't an unbroken line of monarchs in straightforward succession since 1066. Lots of kingmaking and unmaking in the middle ages; and then 1688 is the big turning point. From then onwards, it is pretty clear that monarchs reign because Parliament wants them to and that the Crown is Parliament's to bestow. So basically they have to behave themselves if they want to stick around. The abdication of 1936 - which you can see as a coup by the establishment (and indeed Establishment) against the King- supports this point.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Perhaps the monarchy should be decided by lot* and be for a fixed term?
I have a vague recollection of cultures where king or chieftain was a temporary office. With the downside that once your term expired you were sacrificed to the Gods. [With the added advantage that it prevent any notions of comebacks].
Were you thinking along these lines?
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Originally posted by PaulBC:
This new prince will have a long wait until he is King. And that is as it should be . IF HM
King George VI had not been a heavy smoker IMO he would have lived long after 1952. Remember HM the Queen was only 25 when she came to the throne. Long may she reign.
To those who want the monarchy gone. Read the post above regard the defiition of treason in Britiss law.
Blessings all
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Here's an interesting thought: Had Edward VIII married Mrs Simpson and refused to give up the crown (however unlikely that might have been), he would have been King until 1972. Because they were childless, the heir to the throne would have been the daughter of the late Duke of York, Princess Elizabeth (titled accordingly as the wife of Philip of Greece).
We would still, therefore, have had Queen Elizabeth II and her descendants.
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Originally posted by Hawk:
No, he will become king because his ancestors and family did their job so well the country was pleased with them and assented to their rule (even when some of them went a bit doolally we liked them so much we kept them on the throne).
Treason ne'er doth prosper. What's the reason?
If it prosper none dare call it treason.
John Harington.
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