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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by RuthW:
If anyone's interested, you can see some of the early discussions archived here. I found my first post, and maybe I did pay after all, though I don't remember doing so, as it mentions my registration having just kicked in.
Likewise my first post that starts quote:
I've been following this thread with interest for some time waiting for my registration to come through - so this is my first input to the discussion
Since it was a thread on Creationism it was a long way from my last input to the discussion! (on that and other threads in 14 years)
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MrsBeaky
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Having lurked (and loved it!) for a long time and then finally having come on board this summer I must confess to spending time trying to imagine what some shipmates look like and what their lives are really like especially when I've been captivated by what they've written....
I know, I'm odd... ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
But this really is a great place to spend time, you're a good bunch of people and I'm very grateful to all of the hosts and admins who keep us afloat.
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anne
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I deeply admire people who have been here a decade or more and have a post count in 3 figures. You either have self-control or a life.
Neither - but I do spend a lot of time thinking "I was going to say that." Also, fear of parishioners or colleagues recognising themselves in my descriptions prevents me from starting a hell thread most weeks. I delete a lot too - preview post really is my friend.
But the Ship has been a really important part of my life for more than a decade. I haven't exactly sailed through exploration, selection, training, ordination, curacy or incumbency, but much of the sailing I have done was on board the Ship. I have learned a great deal, particularly from people that I disagree with, and laughed and wept - and I keep coming back.
Thank you - seriously, this is a great place.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Was'nt "Mystery Worshiper" or some board free on neoworks?, Thats what I recall.
Yes, there was only one free one. That was where I started off. I hardly posted at all - most of the discussions seemed to be about the finer points of Anglican vestments, don't know why I stuck with it. Anyway, the boards went free after a while, and 12 years later, I seem to be still here. A lot of people have come and gone, the boards have gone through a bunch of changes.
It probably won't be too long now before the first children born after the first Ship weddings are now able to post. Though today's generation may see an internet forum as hopelessly uncool and middle-aged. We might have to wait until that gains "retro appeal".
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Spike
Mostly Harmless
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Originally posted by Ariel:
quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
Was'nt "Mystery Worshiper" or some board free on neoworks?, Thats what I recall.
Yes, there was only one free one. That was where I started off.
Small Fire and E-Pistles were free as well, the former to discuss Alt+Worship ideas from the now defunct Small Fire column on the main site and the latter to discuss general stuff from the main site.
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Amos
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Originally posted by Spike:
quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Who remembers Neoworks??
Yep. We had to pay for membership in those days. The boards changed to UBB about 6 months after I joined.
AFAIR, I signed up in 1998 or 99, as I prepared to move to the UK. I still wish Todd was still around posting about theology. The culture of the boards has changed hugely, but on the whole it's been managed pretty well thanks to an amazing succession of Admins and Hosts, and Simon.
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Welease Woderwick
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I was bullied and harried and cajoled into joining by a rather strange Canadian friend, made a few faux-pas to begin with, got told off a bit and then sort of settled. Gradually it became my sort of home on the web. It is hard to believe it is nearly 8 years!
Yes, it is a great place full of some great folks - and a few very strange ones! I think I'll probably hang around for a little bit longer.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
I was bullied and harried and cajoled into joining by a rather strange Canadian friend, made a few faux-pas to begin with, got told off a bit and then sort of settled. Gradually it became my sort of home on the web. It is hard to believe it is nearly 8 years!
Yes, it is a great place full of some great folks - and a few very strange ones! I think I'll probably hang around for a little bit longer.
Better than my HUGE faux-pas when I joined. And it's over 10 years. (From one of the strange ones.)
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ElaineC
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I lurked for sometime before I signed on.
I read through the active threads several time each day. It keeps my brain occupied during slack times at work!
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Amos:
I still wish Todd was still around posting about theology.
Yes! I learned a lot from him.
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Porridge
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This probably reveals something deficient in my character, or that it's time for another bout of therapy, but threads like this -- how cool the Ship is -- especially when coupled with nostalgia for longed-for Absentees -- make me start wondering about leaks in the hold, and how much longer I can count on her being afloat . . .
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Sioni Sais
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I'm not worrying much about that Porridge. I don't remember a thread quite like this, although there have been "Thanks to the Hosts & Admins" style thread and posts before, but this is rather broader in scope.
Shipmates were saying "It's a shame so-and-so isn't around any more" since the day I arrived, so I'm sure it's been going on forever. I miss many too, but mostly I hope they are happy wherever they are and whatever they are doing.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Porridge:
This probably reveals something deficient in my character, or that it's time for another bout of therapy, but threads like this -- how cool the Ship is -- especially when coupled with nostalgia for longed-for Absentees -- make me start wondering about leaks in the hold, and how much longer I can count on her being afloat . . .
Seeing that people have been doing that since the first person left, and she's still sailing, I don't think I'll lose much sleep over it.
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Pyx_e
Quixotic Tilter
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Originally posted by Porridge:
This probably reveals something deficient in my character, or that it's time for another bout of therapy, but threads like this -- how cool the Ship is -- especially when coupled with nostalgia for longed-for Absentees -- make me start wondering about leaks in the hold, and how much longer I can count on her being afloat . . .
One you will come and it will all be gone. Your dream of a faith free world one step closer.
Fly safe Pyx_e.
(If any of you feckers tell her the new url l will stick a frog down your ass crack)
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Porridge
Shipmate
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
One you will come and it will all be gone. Your dream of a faith free world one step closer.
Fly safe Pyx_e.
(If any of you feckers tell her the new url l will stick a frog down your ass crack)
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(Ha! I think this means I've made it into the In Group!)
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Spiggott: That everything I've ever told you is a lie.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Originally posted by Porridge:
(Ha! I think this means I've made it into the In Group!)
Step over here and I'll get you your button and wallet card.
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Porridge
Shipmate
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Button?! Wallet Card?! What do you take me for? I know perfectly well I'm now entitled to a monogrammed Death Ray.
[ 27. July 2013, 22:33: Message edited by: Porridge ]
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Spiggott: That everything I've ever told you is a lie.
Moon: That's not true!
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Originally posted by Porridge:
Button?! Wallet Card?! What do you take me for? I know perfectly well I'm now entitled to a monogrammed Death Ray.
You're not that far "in."
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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When I joined, after one of my first posts mousethief threatened to call me to Hell. I'm sure that I would have completely grilled him ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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CuppaT
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Well, he told me what he was sure I would do when I did get called to Hell. But, as I have not yet, I haven't worried about it.
I am exceedingly thankful for the Ship, though. I was wearing my CuppaT apron, which a Secret Santa had made for me years ago, at a baby shower I was hosting and one of the guests asked about it. I told them the significance of the large cup, and about the ShipofFools, and how I had friends all over the world. The whole room got sort of quiet. I don't think people really know me too well.
(Thought I needed to edit, but I didn't.)
[ 28. July 2013, 05:03: Message edited by: CuppaT ]
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Honest Ron Bacardi
Shipmate
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Originally posted by RuthW:
If anyone's interested, you can see some of the early discussions archived here. I found my first post, and maybe I did pay after all, though I don't remember doing so, as it mentions my registration having just kicked in.
Anyway -- couldn't agree more with the OP.
I just spent a misty-eyed few minutes trawling through the old Neoworks archive. Not for the first time, but it's been a while...
Am I imagining it, or were discussions conducted a bit more spaciously back then? By that I mean that they took longer to unfold, and perhaps people had more time to consider other people's POVs before responding.
It's just that on a couple of occasions recently, I've been called away for a couple of days, and on returning the discussion has moved on so far that there's no point in resuming. Maybe it's just the effect of Twitter and the like which pushes things in the direction of blurting your response then moving on. It's not as big a difference as that makes it sound, but I'd be interested in hearing what people think.
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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I remember neoworks, although I don't think I actually posted anything until the boards changed. I think the first thread I followed was the 'Gold Fillings' one. Plus some of the earliest MW reports.
One of the reasons I love looking through the very old threads, is to see some of the original members posting more frequently - eg. it's really funny to see Dyfrig and frin slugging it out in 'Mornington Crescent'. The game still continues, but now with completely different players (except for Spike, who appears to be a permanent fixture - I think he still lives in one of the tunnels).
Once you belong to the Ship, you can never really leave. Even if people no longer post much, they still pop in from time to time. I was particularly moved by the number of former shipmates / hosts / admins who called in to pay their respects to Erin when she died.
Gawd bless the Ship and all the barnacles who cling to her bottom. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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quote:
Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
Am I imagining it, or were discussions conducted a bit more spaciously back then? By that I mean that they took longer to unfold, and perhaps people had more time to consider other people's POVs before responding.
It's just that on a couple of occasions recently, I've been called away for a couple of days, and on returning the discussion has moved on so far that there's no point in resuming.
I think that is due to the much larger number of shipmates nowadays. I remember Erin saying back when that there were about two hundred registered shippies and about fifty regular posters. There were far fewer posts.
Moo
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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When I started on the Ship I didn't have internet access at home, and even when I did for a while it was dial up. I used to use a bit of code at work that downloaded all the threads into a file that fitted on a floppy disk, which I then read at home composing replies in Notepad to post the following lunchtime at work. I don't think I was the only one doing that. There were certainly a lot of people on dial up who read, disconnected to compose and then dial back in to post ... I certainly did when I got dial up at home, there didn't seem much point paying the phone bill when not actually looking at new content, not to mention keeping the phone engaged if someone wanted to call you. It certainly made sure you only posted something if it was worth saying.
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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Heehee, I was still on dialup when the Ark came along. You can imagine how long that took to load!
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
...It certainly made sure you only posted something if it was worth saying.
Good grief, if we kept to that my post count would be VERY low!
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What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
When I started on the Ship I didn't have internet access at home, and even when I did for a while it was dial up. I used to use a bit of code at work that downloaded all the threads into a file that fitted on a floppy disk, which I then read at home composing replies in Notepad to post the following lunchtime at work. I don't think I was the only one doing that. There were certainly a lot of people on dial up who read, disconnected to compose and then dial back in to post ... I certainly did when I got dial up at home, there didn't seem much point paying the phone bill when not actually looking at new content, not to mention keeping the phone engaged if someone wanted to call you. It certainly made sure you only posted something if it was worth saying.
That is wicked impressive.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Huia
Shipmate
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I am on dial-up, it's a PITA, but at least it gives me longer than 2 mins to edit my posts.
But I still miss the errors ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Porridge
Shipmate
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And it's still a great place.
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Moon: Including what?
Spiggott: That everything I've ever told you is a lie.
Moon: That's not true!
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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The testimony to it being a great place is that it has gone on so long. Particularly in this age of instant wish for change, the ship has a very impressive sailing record.
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Martha
Shipmate
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This seems to be one of those threads where we long-time semi-lurkers out ourselves once again. Yes, this is a great place, even when you've been around long enough to think, "oh, a thread about that again." And this has reminded me that I should budget some money to the Organ Fund.
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Kyzyl
Ship's dog
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quote:
Originally posted by Martha:
And this has reminded me that I should budget some money to the Organ Fund.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Money to the ship? Time for a new avatar I think.
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moron
Shipmate
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Welcome to the forum Ship of Fools
apologies to Don Henley, hotels, California and especially Joe Walsh.
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Inanna
Ship's redhead
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Also another one of those old-timers who mostly lurks and reads, but I am still grateful to the Ship for good friends, good conversations, and stretching my faith in all the right ways. (Can't quite believe that it's been 12 years for me... and I'm sure I was on Neoworks before they started charging too.)
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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quote:
Originally posted by moron:
Welcome to the forum Ship of Fools
apologies to Don Henley, hotels, California and especially Joe Walsh.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Oooh. Off to fiddle with log off text...
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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Nicely done, Kelly - it has a slightly Hitchcock-ian feel to it.
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Fancy a break in South India?
Accessible Homestay Guesthouse in Central Kerala, contact me for details
What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Oooh. Off to fiddle with log off text...
Aw. I liked the logoff message I came up with when I first became an Admin ![[Frown]](frown.gif) .
On the plus side, I now have Hotel California in my head. An earworm I actually enjoy - paradise ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
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Drifting Star
Drifting against the wind
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There's a log-off text?
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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Does someone ever log off the Ship? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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I log off every night and log back in again every morning - it's the logical thing to do.
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Fancy a break in South India?
Accessible Homestay Guesthouse in Central Kerala, contact me for details
What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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Isn't the normal thing to do to sit up late at night reading the Ship, fall asleep with your head crashed into the keyboard, then wake up in the morning and read what's been posted while you slept? Isn't that what everyone does???
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LeRoc
Famous Dutch pirate
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Alan Cresswell: Isn't the normal thing to do to sit up late at night reading the Ship, fall asleep with your head crashed into the keyboard, then wake up in the morning and read what's been posted while you slept? Isn't that what everyone does???
You forgot the part about the half-empty glass of wine falling into your lap.
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I know why God made the rhinoceros, it's because He couldn't see the rhinoceros, so He made the rhinoceros to be able to see it. (Clarice Lispector)
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lilBuddha
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Isn't the normal thing to do to sit up late at night reading the Ship, fall asleep with your head crashed into the keyboard, then wake up in the morning and read what's been posted while you slept? Isn't that what everyone does???
Well, given some of the posts made, I assumed something of the sort.
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by moron:
Welcome to the forum Ship of Fools
apologies to Don Henley, hotels, California and especially Joe Walsh.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Oooh. Off to fiddle with log off text...
Nice. There should be an intermediate logon text. User name. Password. (click) Are you certain you wish to do this? (click Yes) Don't say we didn't warn you.... Going to page...
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Hallellou, hallellou
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Nicolemr
Shipmate
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In all seriousness, as long as you're on your personal computer and not a shared public one, why would you ever log out of the ship? Just stay logged in and close the window when you're done.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Originally posted by balaam:
Money to the ship? Time for a new avatar I think.
And here it is. Thanks Simon.
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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Originally posted by Nicolemr:
In all seriousness, as long as you're on your personal computer and not a shared public one, why would you ever log out of the ship? Just stay logged in and close the window when you're done.
Those of us with partners who are also shipmates sometimes find we have 'posted' things we didn't say. So it is important to check the login details.
[ 31. July 2013, 20:16: Message edited by: Chorister ]
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Nicolemr
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Ah yes, good point.
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by balaam:
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Originally posted by balaam:
Money to the ship? Time for a new avatar I think.
And here it is. Thanks Simon.
Good one!
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Twilight
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The heading in Ruth's link mentions Joanne. Is it wrong that I would love to have witnessed her? You charter members have talked about her so much she has become magnified in my mind as the Ship's own mythical sea monster.
Yes, hear hear to the opening post. Discussions on other boards turn into name calling, illogical hate fests before I can say straw man and I've found that there is no subject on earth that can't be reduced to a political issue. I prefer caramel icing to chocolate? Well that's just what they would expect from a bleeding heart liberal Democrat like me!
I love it here. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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