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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Ariel: quote: Originally posted by orfeo: Which part of 'VERY short sighted' did you not understand? My maximum focal distance is about 3 inches.
So is mine. Close-up really is close-up.
ditto. I can just remember a play reading for which, in true happy clappy church style, the script was projected onto a screen such that only those with batting averages better than 40 (test cricket) or 0.300 (major league baseball) could see. That was well worth consigning to Hell. I backed out with a headache, it descended to a fiasco and the play never happened. Thank God for tender mercies.
Still, I can get splinters out.
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Kasra
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TICTH incompetent idiots who apparently cannot read information on official documents.
In this instance, said idiot got my name very wrong... and now I have to go through all kinds of hoops to prove that I am who I say I am (Ms. Kasra XYZ) not who they think I am (Ms Katie ABC).
Grrrr. I barely have time to eat and sleep, how the hell am I supposed to make time for this one?
K
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ThunderBunk
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quote: Originally posted by Sioni Sais: quote: Originally posted by Ariel: quote: Originally posted by orfeo: Which part of 'VERY short sighted' did you not understand? My maximum focal distance is about 3 inches.
So is mine. Close-up really is close-up.
ditto. I can just remember a play reading for which, in true happy clappy church style, the script was projected onto a screen such that only those with batting averages better than 40 (test cricket) or 0.300 (major league baseball) could see. That was well worth consigning to Hell. I backed out with a headache, it descended to a fiasco and the play never happened. Thank God for tender mercies.
Still, I can get splinters out.
Does time spent in hell exacerbate myopia????
*worries about his own prescription*
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Moo
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: Which part of 'VERY short sighted' did you not understand? My maximum focal distance is about 3 inches.
One good thing about my cataract surgery is that the implanted lens left me with a glasses prescription of -1.50 rather than the 3.50 I had before the surgery.
Moo
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Sarkycow
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S'alright orfeo, you apparently get long sighted as you get older. So eventually you'll be back to good vision
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Patdys
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Mind you, you'll have forgotten what you're looking at. Still if you're a half full ...um... damnit, you drink out of them... shit... oh well, you know what I mean, person, then it's all good.
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Sarkycow: S'alright orfeo, you apparently get long sighted as you get older. So eventually you'll be back to good vision
... for about a fortnight.
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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quote: Originally posted by Patdys: Todays post is brought to you by procrastination and the letters I D G A F F.
Me, neither!
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comet
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quote: Originally posted by Patdys: Today is brought to you by procrastination and the letters I D G A F F.
changed to better reflect my day.
TICTH students who are involved in every after school activity all at once. especially the nerdy ones. so when the honor choir travels, I've got no kids in my drama and debate practice.
further, anxiety attacks. mine and everyone else's. fuck that.
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by comet: further, anxiety attacks. mine and everyone else's. fuck that.
Timely, and appreciated.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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TICTH people who show up on Youtube links just to dislike a song. If you don't like it, why are you clicking on the damn link? It's not a matter of national policy, it's a damn song! All you do is give the people who actually showed up to listen to it a chance to laugh at your silly ass for such a wasted gesture.
Also-- any asshole who doesn't like Louis Jordan's "Choo Choo Ch-Boogie" clearly has problems. I stand firm on that one. Fuck all six of you.
-------------------- I cannot expect people to believe “ Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.” Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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RooK
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Today I wish I could Consign To Hell 14-month-old girls¹ who need more-than-expected amounts of sedative, such that they almost rip out their IV. And manage the most piteous cries before lolling hideously in the grip of chemically-induced slumber.
But I cannot. Obviously.
¹ Who also have me wrapped around their little finger, and whose suffering I feel amplified.
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lilBuddha
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Hell is too good for them. I rarely read the comments, there will be trolls. Should be a corollary to Godwin's law. Godwin's Youtube Corollary: As an comment column grows longer, the probability of an appearance of a comment troll approaches 1
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by RooK: Today I wish I could Consign To Hell 14-month-old girls¹ who need more-than-expected amounts of sedative, such that they almost rip out their IV. And manage the most piteous cries before lolling hideously in the grip of chemically-induced slumber.
But I cannot. Obviously.
¹ Who also have me wrapped around their little finger, and whose suffering I feel amplified.
Jesus.
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comet
Snowball in Hell
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TICTH whatever is making RooK's baby suffer.
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orfeo
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quote: Originally posted by Moo: One good thing about my cataract surgery is that the implanted lens left me with a glasses prescription of -1.50 rather than the 3.50 I had before the surgery.
Moo
3.50?
This is what I'm talking about. Bloody amateurs who know nothing about the big leagues. And celebrate no longer being at 3.50.
I'd kill for 3.50. My good eye is -7.00 with contact lenses and over -8 with glasses. [ 19. October 2013, 05:59: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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Curiosity killed ...
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Oh RooK - I hope your daughter gets better soon.
And Orfeo, I'm with you on this (my prescription is -7.00L and -8.00R too) I've worn glasses since I was 8 and contact lenses since 15. A family who keeps telling me I look so much better wearing contact lenses does not help when I bloody know that, but conjunctivitis (or whatever) means it ain't an option. And actually, if I'm going to wear lenses next week, my eyes do need a day off to recover (hard gas-permeable lenses).
It's a total myth that presbyopia improves myopia. It helps some people with slightly short sighted eyes, briefly. The rest of us will get the joy of bifocals.
Before anyone suggests laser surgery again (sodding family), last time I checked it gives unreliable results for prescriptions above about -3.00 to -4.00 and anyone with a prescription above that will still be wearing glasses after surgery of the eyes. And ... it is likely to cause more problems when presbyopia sets in in middle age.
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Lucia
Looking for light
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: quote: Originally posted by Moo: One good thing about my cataract surgery is that the implanted lens left me with a glasses prescription of -1.50 rather than the 3.50 I had before the surgery.
Moo
3.50?
This is what I'm talking about. Bloody amateurs who know nothing about the big leagues. And celebrate no longer being at 3.50.
I'd kill for 3.50. My good eye is -7.00 with contact lenses and over -8 with glasses.
Don't know if it helps but when I used to work in an eye hospital I used to fit contact lenses to patients with over -20.00 . So could be worse...
And on your behalf I shall now CTH people who try to make you feel better by pointing out that there are other people worse off than yourself!
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Twilight
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quote: Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...: And Orfeo, I'm with you on this (my prescription is -7.00L and -8.00R too) I've worn glasses since I was 8
My exact RX and age of first glasses. I've always had two "looks," the one for work/school/dates in contacts and the one at home and on the weekends in glasses. The rude comments in both directions are amazing. A neighbor will see me in contacts for the first time and say, "Oh you look gorgeous, I never liked to say anything but those glasses were awful! Like coke bottles! We always used to wonder why you didn't get laser surgery or something. No offense but you look like a different person -- the other one was, eek!"
But I wont consign them to Hell, today, I'll save that for things that make our little ones sick. RooKs' baby.
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Fineline
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Since we're outdoing each other in glasses prescription strengths, I should join in, as mine are strong enough to get free sight tests - this happens once you get to -10. Mine reached -10 around ten years ago - I remember the optician telling me he had good news and bad news. Bad news was that my eyes were bad enough for free sight tests - and that was the good news too!
I can't wear contacts - my eyes are too dry and I find them way too uncomfortable. And because I have Irlen tints on my glasses, I can't have the high index thinned lenses either - so I just get really tiny frames to reduce the thickness as much as possible (also reduces my peripheral vision though!).
So yeah, I'll consign to hell the folks who tell me how much better I look without my glasses. As if I exist for their aesthetic pleasure anyway!
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Ariel
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: This is what I'm talking about. Bloody amateurs who know nothing about the big leagues. And celebrate no longer being at 3.50.
I'd kill for 3.50. My good eye is -7.00 with contact lenses and over -8 with glasses.
Oh, if only. It's been a long time since I was able to say that... I'm with Fineline in the double-figures league, and trust me you don't want to be part of this select club. There are a whole bunch of visual annoyances that can go with being very short-sighted. I can still wear lenses, mercifully, and will do so for as long as I can.
quote: Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...: It's a total myth that presbyopia improves myopia. It helps some people with slightly short sighted eyes, briefly. The rest of us will get the joy of bifocals.
No, it isn't a total myth, and I can confirm this first-hand. Though progress is slow; at this rate, fingers crossed, I should be back where I started from in time for, oh, about my 120th birthday.
Anyway, while I'm here, TICTH smartphones that eat all your pay-as-you-go credit overnight while turned off.
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Sioni Sais
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Hostly Advisory
Q: Is this a dodgy eyesight thread strayed from All Saints thanks to the old tub's crappy software? A: No, it's TICTH making one of its periodic tangents.
Which shall end, now.
Sioni Sais Friendly Hellhost
(Yes, I know I've contributed, and I'm sorry.)
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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To use an emoticon that seeems rather overused in Hell at the moment:
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Kyzyl
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TICTH the Hell section of the Ship for being so fucking boring.
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comet
Snowball in Hell
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no argument from me. but we're not here for your entertainment, you know. step the fuck up and contribute. [ 20. October 2013, 00:38: Message edited by: comet ]
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Golden Key
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TICTH the idjit Boy Scout leaders who purposely toppled a rock formation in Goblin Canyon (?) in Utah.
They were stupid enough to film themselves, and post to YouTube.
I hope the Scouts fire them, ban them for life, and take away any previous awards. (E.g., Eagle Scouts, if they were.)
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Hear-fucking-hear.
Assholes.
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Evensong
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quote: Originally posted by comet: no argument from me. but we're not here for your entertainment, you know. step the fuck up and contribute.
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BessLane
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TITCH - those people (and I'm looking directly at my ex) who take their fears, problems, and insecurity out on innocent bystanders who are just as scared, troubled and insecure as they are.
To clarify, my ex-husband is dating one of my best friends. I've loved this woman since before he ever met her, since he and I were still together. She cried in my arms tonight because of his reaction to a situation that has nothing whatsoever to do with him. My friend is worried to death cause she lost her job. working like hell to find a new one and he's also out of work, but doing nothing to find himself empolyment. So 'cause he's going to lose his house in a tax auction, and can't afford to buy smokes, he's going to act like a total asshat and scream at her because she won't say another mutual friend of our is a slut...WTF.
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Kitten
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TICTH people who, despite being told that they cannot access the hearing aid loop system if they sit in the back row of pews, insist on sitting in said back row and then complaining that they cannot hear.
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Twilight
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quote: Originally posted by Golden Key: TICTH the idjit Boy Scout leaders who purposely toppled a rock formation in Goblin Canyon (?) in Utah.
These guys have received so much hatred I'm starting to feel sorry for them. After all it's not as though they used bull dozers or dynamite. Aren't the actions of male rednecks at play as much a part of natural evolutionary change as mountain goats and weather?
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Pyx_e
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Screw you Mr. Lawnmower, you can stay in the shed for that.
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Thyme
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TICTH people with mobility problems who book themselves onto a holiday clearly described as not recommended for those with walking difficulties, requiring a good degree of fitness, stamina and independent mobility, with clear descriptions of the sort of activity required, and then spend the holiday complaining because it is all so difficult, holding up the rest of the group, and wanting first choice of seats and accommodation.
Likewise the people who book themselves onto a holiday clearly tailored for particular interests, have no knowledge of or interest in said topics, do not bring the necessary equipment, and spend their time complaining that the activities are boring and only cater for people who are interested in the topics/activities the holiday was designed for.
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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Today is World Mission Sunday. Except, it seems, on the Ship which has apparently declared it Crip Bashing Day. And Adult Scout leader bashing day (although I rather suspect Bulldog and friends deserve the opprobrium, the movement, itself, in this case, does not.)
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Kelly Alves
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Well nobody was bashing the movement. Yep, just read up and checked again, nobody was bashing the movement. In fact the movement itself is expressing horror at the two poor, maligned adult leader's actions. So maybe the movement should be bashed for joining in the oppression of these poor, maligned doofuses.
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Japes
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TICTH clergy who protect their own days off, but who do not respect mine.
I, too, work six days a week, so don't pull the hard done to "I only get one day off" one on me. I will deal with your calls and e-mails on the six days I am available, but on the seventh, I will not.
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orfeo
Ship's Musical Counterpoint
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quote: Originally posted by PeteC: Except, it seems, on the Ship which has apparently declared it Crip Bashing Day.
Looks more like Unrealistic Expectations And/Or Assessment Of Own Abilities Bashing Day to me.
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no prophet's flag is set so...
Proceed to see sea
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Aching sinuses, sore throats and diarrhea. The first two because I have them, the third because I don't but because it is spelled ridiculously.
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Golden Key
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Pete--
I never said anything against Scouting, or Scout leaders in general. Just the jerks involved in this situation. And I wanted Scouting HQ to punish them.
I think there's a lot of good in the Boy Scouts program. It has very serious, well-known problems in a couple of areas, but those don't pertain to this situation.
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BessLane
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TICTH Bambi, his mom, his dad and all his white-tailed bretheren, several of which jumped out of a fencerow by the road, causing my young friend to jerk his steering wheel, hit a ditch and roll his vehicle. He's ok, the vehicle is totalled and I'm counting the days til hunting season...deer suck!
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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He's done some nice things for me recently and I wanted to return the favor. We were to meet for drinks this evening. He set the date/time himself. He was to call if there was a change of plans. He never called, he never showed. To hell with him.
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lilBuddha
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quote: Originally posted by Golden Key: Pete--
I never said anything against Scouting, or Scout leaders in general. Just the jerks involved in this situation. And I wanted Scouting HQ to punish them.
I think there's a lot of good in the Boy Scouts program. It has very serious, well-known problems in a couple of areas, but those don't pertain to this situation.
And now we find the fucking tosser had filed suit last month detailing injuries and chronic pain after an accident four years ago. Yet still had the strength to topple a boulder. Bastard. The Boy Scouts may be good as a group, this man is not.
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Spike
Mostly Harmless
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TICTH people who expect wildlife to go to road safety classes so they learn not to run out in front of fast moving vehicles.
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jacobsen
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A problem with your vertebrae, dear?
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Sioni Sais
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quote: Originally posted by Spike: TICTH people who expect wildlife to go to road safety classes so they learn not to run out in front of fast moving vehicles.
You're thinking of the Tufty Club, not the Bambi Club.
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Kyzyl
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Stupid rabbits.
Ugh...Tango and I went out for his morning poop at 6am. Of course it is pitch black but he has Doggie Super Vision (tm) and goes into his "prey sighted" stance. He sneaks up, and up, and the barely visible furry object by the fence does not move. Then he starts to sniff it. Hmmm?? What I have to deal with now, when I get back for lunch, is a really, really stupid rabbit that tried to get through the chain link sometime last night rather than go under the gate like all of his compadres. Blech!!
Tango did not scare the bunny into running, it was long dead when we saw it this morning and it was coming into the yard.
Also to the Hell Hosts, I apologize for my previous comment. I was in one pissy mood and reading Hell didn't help. Sorry.
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orfeo
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Fluffy mascots and sincere apologies. Sheesh. This place is losing all its mojo.
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