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Gives you some measure of control over your feelings of inadequacy before my very reasonable questions and comments in purg huh Zach?
Ah well. You know what they say....the strong have to give in to the weak sometimes.
I'll give you your feelings of power. I guess you must need them.
I just feel for the poor sods that suffer under your inadequate theology.
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I'll give you your feelings of power. I guess you must need them.
This is rich coming from someone who seems to have a fairly deep need to make as many threads as possible into conversations about herself.
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Hardly.
People seem to feel the need to tell me how awful I am so often and it rather generally flows from there.
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It flows from there because you turn up and do the exact same thing again and again. It flows from there because you think the correct response is to give some kind of witty, knowing response with a twinkle in your eye.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
It flows from there because you turn up and do the exact same thing again and again. It flows from there because you think the correct response is to give some kind of witty, knowing response with a twinkle in your eye.
And... We know that they are "knowing, witty responses" because she tells us so.
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And... We know that they are "knowing, witty responses" because she tells us so.
Correct.
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It flows from there because you turn up and do the exact same thing again and again. It flows from there because you think the correct response is to give some kind of witty, knowing response with a twinkle in your eye.
Well yes. My way of dealing with stupidity is often via sarcasm or wit. Not my fault if they don't get it. I am who I am.
You're one of the few that seems to recognize when I'm being serious or not.
Hard to find good help these days...
Oh. And while we're talking, would you mind telling Zach he's a deflecting, weak ass, dick that can't tell the spirit of the law from the letter of the law? He doesn't seem to be talking to me at the moment. But he does seem to be talking to you like I'm not here.
Add fucked in the head to the list.
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It IS your fault if they don't get it, or at the very least your problem, because communication doesn't end when the words escape you. The task is not done at that point.
I think plenty of people get it, however. I just don't think they like it as much as you think they ought to like it.
And no, frequently I don't know whether you are being serious or not. My secret is that I've stopped caring one way or the other. In general I spend as little time as possible trying to process the actual meaning of your Hell posts when you turn up in your role of Unnecessary Defender Of The Minority and just check for the basics.
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It is easy to forget that social conventions about discourse vary wildly between cultures. Most of us exist primarily in cultures where the onus on the transmission of meaning is on the speaker. But there are cultures where the onus is on the listeners to understand. This cultural trait seems to be much less adaptive for use on the internet.
None of which makes much difference for batshit insane poster children for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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It isn't a feeling of inadequacy that makes me feel such satisfaction at how easy it is to bring out this ignorant, spiteful petulance of yours, Evensong. It's malice.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
It IS your fault if they don't get it, or at the very least your problem
Well like you, I've stopped caring about that ages ago in Hell. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I like to believe I'm more understandable on the rest of the ship. But then, there's a lot less stupidity around on the rest of the ship.
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None of which makes much difference for batshit insane poster children for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Now here boys and girls, is an excellent example of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Nah. I've met Rook. He really IS better than average.
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[OPEN: The Sydney Opera House, in silhouette at sunrise.]
[DRAMATIC ZOOM - in on a lone figure wrapped in thin, sheer fabric blown in such a way that it both presses the fabric against them and causes the excess to seem to defy gravity.]
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originally posted by Evensong:
I like to believe I'm more understandable on the rest of the ship.
Oh, you are. Go on believing it. An open book. No one is pretending that their observations of you on this thread are any particular accomplishment of insight.
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Hilarious. But Evensong is in Perth, a good 4000 km from the SHO. I know, it's all too easy to associate one landmark with a whole country. If there were any significant architectural landmarks in Canada at all, I suppose we would all similarly link every Canadian to that one example of national brilliance. As it is, all we can do is make jokes about how y'all fornicate with moose.
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To be fair, the opera house in Perth is this baroque mess. Not really iconic.
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About 30 pounds.
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If there were any significant architectural landmarks in Canada at all, I suppose we would all similarly link every Canadian to that one example of national brilliance.
Canada!
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Originally posted by Dark Knight:
As it is, all we can do is make jokes about how y'all fornicate with moose.
Then apologize to them.
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Originally posted by Zach82:
To be fair, the opera house in Perth is this baroque mess. Not really iconic.
Heavens. There must have been a sale on that colour of paint.
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If I were a whole continent of convicts, nouveau-riche,and Paul Hogans trying to convince the world I was actually quite civilized, that would be exactly the opera house I would construct.
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I doubt very much the whole continent had anything to do with it. That'd be like saying that folk in California had a lot of input into the construction of a Boston building 100 years ago.
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Indeed. Boston has got this soulless monstrosity perched in its middle. Just what was it trying to prove when it tore down a whole Victorian neighborhood to put that pile of crap up?
[ 30. September 2013, 03:39: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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Mon Dieu! That's hideous.
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OK, usually I try not to repost Hell snark, but if someone aimed an insult this creative at me, I can't help but think I would be a bit flattered. quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
[OPEN: The Sydney Opera House, in silhouette at sunrise.]
[DRAMATIC ZOOM - in on a lone figure wrapped in thin, sheer fabric blown in such a way that it both presses the fabric against them and causes the excess to seem to defy gravity.]
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Zach82:
To be fair, the opera house in Perth is this baroque mess. Not really iconic.
Heavens. There must have been a sale on that colour of paint.
Isn't it awful? It's a bit nicer inside. That isn't the Perth Opera House (which doesn't exist), but His Majesty's Theatre, so we tend to blame our colonial forbears for that one.
Not that we do much better ourselves. For some reason, TPTB in Perth decided the best way to handle all the money pouring into the city was to knock everything pretty down and put up super modern buildings in their place. For some reason, SGT survived that process (perhaps it shouldn't have), but much that is good and lovely in our fair town is gone. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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Originally posted by Zach82:
Indeed. Boston has got this soulless monstrosity perched in its middle. Just what was it trying to prove when it tore down a whole Victorian neighborhood to put that pile of crap up?
Good god! That is hideous. It's like someone designed a really ugly building, assembled it off site and then tried to airlift it in, but somehow it got dropped in upside down.
A metaphor for American democracy, perhaps?
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Hilarious.
I know, right? My wife even sneered at me for all my annoying laughter, and immediately picked it out as my "being an insufferable smartass" laugh. How she differentiates it from my "saw an old lady fall down" laugh, I cannot guess.
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Evensong is in Perth, a good 4000 km from the SHO.
So, you're probably not going to believe me when I suggest that I skewed the perception intentionally to make a point? Never mind - let's move on to the moose jokes.
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all we can do is make jokes about how y'all fornicate with moose.
Fun fact: Moose kill more people every year than grizzly bears. Maybe there's a connection?
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Zach82
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Originally posted by Dark Knight:
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Originally posted by Zach82:
Indeed. Boston has got this soulless monstrosity perched in its middle. Just what was it trying to prove when it tore down a whole Victorian neighborhood to put that pile of crap up?
Good god! That is hideous. It's like someone designed a really ugly building, assembled it off site and then tried to airlift it in, but somehow it got dropped in upside down.
A metaphor for American democracy, perhaps?
Like all modern buildings, people who think it ugly are philistines who don't realize that it is an architectural masterpiece that is free of the tyranny of pastiche and sensible floor plans.
Also, it's in the middle of a ginormous, sterile plaza devoid of trees, benches, fountains, or historical buildings that might obstruct your view of this firm's magnum opus. What do you want, this hellish rat's nest of brick buildings and walkable streets that it replaced?
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Originally posted by Zach82:
Also, it's in the middle of a ginormous, sterile plaza devoid of trees, benches, fountains, or historical buildings that might obstruct your view of this firm's magnum opus.
I think that might be the first time I have really understood the fundamental philosophy that gripped architecture in Perth from the sixties onward.
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What do you want, this hellish rat's nest of brick buildings and walkable streets that it replaced?
Now that just reminds me of old depictions of Perth. ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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Originally posted by RooK:
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Originally posted by Dark Knight:
[QUOTE]all we can do is make jokes about how y'all fornicate with moose.
Fun fact: Moose kill more people every year than grizzly bears. Maybe there's a connection?
Moose take the failure to stay and cuddle much more seriously?
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Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us. And you know, get better at being an ally because you're doing a pretty crap job at it.
It is worth pointing out that S Bacchus and Venbede are both gay men in Anglo-Catholicism, aka the most gay-man-friendly kind of church ever. Gay men who are in evangelical churches/are evangelical, and people who are LGBTQ+ and not gay men (as well as gay men of colour) have markedly different experiences to you both. There ARE churches that are deeply toxic for LGBTQ+ people, even within the CoE. I know because I have been there (and yes it was harder for me as a queer woman than it would have been for a man). But telling a sincerely Christian person to just up and leave their faith seems to be incredibly insensitive and wrong, and also doesn't exactly help out struggling progressive Christian denominations. Seems a bit weird for an AffCath spiritual director not to mention AffCath churches being gay-friendly to a gay Christian.
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Also, it's in the middle of a ginormous, sterile plaza devoid of trees, benches, fountains, or historical buildings that might obstruct your view of this firm's magnum opus.
The plaza was designed as a place for rallies, etc. However, the surrounding buildings have the effect of turning it into a wind tunnel.
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
Because if you're not, you don't even take your OWN bloody advice.
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Returning to opera houses, Boston's looks like a late model Soviet-era construction. Perth's is, at least, cheerful-looking.
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The Brutalist building is Boston City Hall. Here are pictures of the Boston Opera House.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
Because if you're not, you don't even take your OWN bloody advice.
And why would you assume that i haven't?
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Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
Because your own experiences of being LGBTQ+ in the church are suspiciously absent. Are you straight or not?
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
OK, usually I try not to repost Hell snark, but if someone aimed an insult this creative at me, I can't help but think I would be a bit flattered. quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
[OPEN: The Sydney Opera House, in silhouette at sunrise.]
[DRAMATIC ZOOM - in on a lone figure wrapped in thin, sheer fabric blown in such a way that it both presses the fabric against them and causes the excess to seem to defy gravity.]
Evensong: [Turns head from chin held high, facing against the howling wind, to staring crazy-eyed directly into the camera.] "DESPERATION. The scent of reality not being as we insist it is, but we'll never admit it. DESPERATION."
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Oh, FFS
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
Because if you're not, you don't even take your OWN bloody advice.
And why would you assume that i haven't?
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by leo:
Why do you assume that i am str8?
Because your own experiences of being LGBTQ+ in the church are suspiciously absent. Are you straight or not?
Furthermore, are you now a Buddhist?
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Tbf to Leo, I don't think one needs to post "as a gay man/straight woman/Berkshire sheep dog" every time one posts. It is good to try to put one's standpoint aside and understand objectively.
Otherwise we'll all be like a bunch of teenagers on islands, shouting "you don't understand meeee, check your privilege" or some other bollocks at each other
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That's just it. Leo very much wants to be in the position to shout, "You don't understand me. Check your privilege" at everyone he meets. Problem is he's a straight, white, male of a certain age who is a lay reader in the established church of a first world nation.
Leo is privileged and it irks him to no end. James Cone famously said white people must hate their whiteness. Leo has managed to hate not only his whiteness but every aspect of his identity. He would rather be the collective of bored art students Louise suspects him of being rather than who he actually is.
I minored in Psychology.
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Louise has it again. Collective of bored art students. That would explain the variable spelling and grammar at any rate, without anyone's having to wonder if leo's been posting after taking the drink.
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S. Bacchus
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
For what it's worth, I didn't. But for someone who is ever so concerned with LGBT issues, you're not exactly open about your personal experiences (talking about other people in vague terms to show how wonderfully pastoral you are doesn't count).
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
That's just it. Leo very much wants to be in the position to shout, "You don't understand me. Check your privilege" at everyone he meets. Problem is he's a straight, white, male of a certain age who is a lay reader in the established church of a first world nation.
Leo is privileged and it irks him to no end. James Cone famously said white people must hate their whiteness. Leo has managed to hate not only his whiteness but every aspect of his identity. He would rather be the collective of bored art students Louise suspects him of being rather than who he actually is.
I minored in Psychology.
You're dead right. Poor old leo, more fortunate in so many ways than almost everybody who's ever lived: he so wants to feel some pain, until it boils up inside him and he wants to howl WHY WON'T YOU PERSECUTE ME?
Hence all that transferred patriotism, as I think Orwell put called it.
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Leo is representing the worst about allies - constantly making the conversation about how liberal and wonderful they are, when actually being an ally is about supporting minorities in the decisions they make themselves. As S Bacchus has pointed out, Leo, LGBTQ+ people are perfectly capable of standing up for ourselves, and we do it all the time. WE are the only people who should speak for us. I mean it's nice that you want to be an ally but not being LGBTQ+, it's not for you to speak on behalf of us.
Why do you assume that i am str8?
Because if you're not, you don't even take your OWN bloody advice.
And why would you assume that i haven't?
BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T LEFT THE CHURCH TO BECOME A BUDDHIST YOU FREAKING IDIOT.
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Is anyone else maddened by the spare 'there' in the thread title? Few trivialities have bugged me so much since McCartney's "world in which we live in".
Oh, well.... I'll get my coat.
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QLib - yes,I am.
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[QB] Is anyone else maddened by the spare 'there' in the thread title? Few trivialities have bugged me so much since McCartney's "world in which we live in".
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There isn't a spare 'there'. The two 'theres' have different functions. If you're going to criticise someone else, at least make sure that you can parse a simple English sentences.
Here, I'll make it easy by translating into English for semi-literate small children:
Peradventure there shall be = what if there is
Leo found there = Leo in that location.
Given that the syntax is exactly the same as the passage from Genesis to which it alludes, I don't see why this wasn't obvious.
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It was an allusion to Genesis? Holy moly, which version are you using to dredge up a word like 'peradventure'?
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