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Also: no, I am not an expert on any particular religion. Especially not yours - which I am sure is a huge relief to you, since it means that I won't bother directly refuting any of your claims.
Not that I should be doing so anyway, seeing as how it would just upset your daughter. Whose wedding I will be officiating. A wedding, I hasten to point out, that she and her fiancé chose to not have done in your church. For, let's say: reasons.
So if you would kindly shut the fuck up and let us celebrate things, I won't have to take you aside and make you cry.
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Oh, honey. You don't need this thread; you've already leapt out of the frying pan.
Weddings make people CRAZY. Especially parents of the bride.
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Are the couple taking their inspiration from the Edward and Bella wedding in the Twilight movie, or something more like the royal wedding? Will you be playing guitar during the vows, Rook?
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Thyme
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![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) It is disgraceful how quickly this thread has been derailed. I thought it was going to be all about cute kittens and the hosts haven't done anything about it.
And what has the OP got to do with kittens and lovely days anyway.
Here is a lovely video of a cute kitten but the voiceover is the best thing of all ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
And here's a lovely day
Have a lovely day everyone ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif) ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif) xxxxxxxx
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Recipes! I saw the OP and came here for recipes!
TICTH unconscionable teases.
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Cute Kitten recipes - yum!
Hostly Edit: Probably NSFW!!!
how to cook a cat
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What wonderful mental images to start the day with: a beautiful sunrise, cute kittens, and the Reverend Rook engaged in sensitive pastoral counseling with the assistance of a rusty farm implement.
NOTE TO MANAGEMENT: If I appear to be smiling more in your boring meetings this morning, it isn't because your presentations are any less reality-challenged than normal. Rather I'm probably imagining how much our company performance (and certainly morale) would improve if the Reverend Rook could be engaged to assist at one of your management strategy meetings...
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This cooking show has a very simple recipe for Christmas breakfast.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Thyme:
And here's a lovely day
Lovely days are apparently illegal in the United States.
Now if we could only make cute kittens illegal as well...
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Originally posted by Thyme:
Cute Kitten recipes - yum!
Hostly Edit: Probably NSFW!!!
OOOOEEER! SORRY! I didn't read it much beyond the title ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) and didn't think about people at work.
A bit more hellish than I realised
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Lovely days are apparently illegal in the United States.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) There are so many ways of responding to that I can't choose!
Well, I am doing well in Hell, one NSFW site that was even worse than I thought and an illegal video.
I think I will quit before I get into even more trouble.
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What the fuck? Jesus, people, no unleashing the crazy until the cute hellhost has had her coffee.
Further- one get-out-of-hell-free card to whomever gets me a photo of RooK in a clerical collar. Preferably in pin-up form.
PS - shitloads of youtube links make me want you all to die slowly. perhaps over a fire on a slowly turning skewer. useless dickheads.
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
Also: no, I am not an expert on any particular religion. Especially not yours - which I am sure is a huge relief to you, since it means that I won't bother directly refuting any of your claims.
Not that I should be doing so anyway, seeing as how it would just upset your daughter. Whose wedding I will be officiating. A wedding, I hasten to point out, that she and her fiancé chose to not have done in your church. For, let's say: reasons.
So if you would kindly shut the fuck up and let us celebrate things, I won't have to take you aside and make you cry.
Here I have been bursting with that particular secret for-- what, a couple years? -- and then you out yourself anyway.
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Originally posted by comet:
Further- one get-out-of-hell-free card to whomever gets me a photo of RooK in a clerical collar. Preferably in pin-up form.
passer wins.
best PM ever.
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The original version by Bill Withers is still the best.
Yes, yes - I know he's slightly flat all the way through but it still works.
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orfeo
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No.
Fucking no.
Scatter to Heaven and the Circus and wherever else you feel like. Stay here if you actually want to bitch about weddings or something.
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L'organist
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Bitch about weddings?
Where do I start!
Female guests who arrive dressed in a dazzling array of man-made fibres as if for a cocktail party, cheap "fascinators" clamped to the side of the head, teetering on vertiginous heels and shrieking at each other like seabirds. Hardly ever will they have any covering on their shoulders, and the dresses all finish mid-thigh.
Ushers (groomsmen) who seem incapable of movement or speech unless masticating large wadges of gum, never bothing to close the mouth because EVERYONE is going to be fascinated at the contents.
Brides "fashionably" late - don't know where they got that idea from. Giggling uncontrollably through the service, in one case turning and giving a thumbs-up sign to her mates behind her in the middle of her vows.
The modern wedding is in a mess and the church is right in there helping to cheapen the whole business by its willingness not to impose some sense of decorum on people who behave like modern barbarians.
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Interestingly, I think, is that a year ago our minister used to ask families not to take pictures during the baptism, and now she doesn't. Was she told off by someone, or did she just give up?
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We try for no flash in any photos in church to reduce the distraction level. The people involved would get better photographs in that space if they set the cameras correctly for the situation and didn't use flash, because on camera flash only lights up the immediate area and leaves anything outside that near area in the dark - which usually means where the action is in the church situation.
It's surprising how many people with cameras, even DSLRs that I think would be much better in my hands, can't use them and don't know how to turn the flash off.
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Zacchaeus
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quote:
Originally posted by Taliesin:
Interestingly, I think, is that a year ago our minister used to ask families not to take pictures during the baptism, and now she doesn't. Was she told off by someone, or did she just give up?
Photo taking is one area we dn't have an issue with at Baptisms and weddings
The vicar asks people not to take photos as it can upset the babies and they are overawed anyway by the occasion and we don’t want to upset the day for them. And we give plenty of time to photos afterwards
At weddings too vicar asks not to take as flashes can disrupt the official photos and the photographer is being paid by the bride and groom so let’s not risk those lovely photos.
and it seems to work
But DON’T start me on the guests who talk all the way through the service and nobody can hear what is happening…
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The kitten in the video link posted by Thyme upthread is just SO adorable! What breed of kitten is that?
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Bloody people coming into our churches, behaving like, well, people really... Keep 'em out till they learn to behave, say I! Makes life and worship so much simpler, don't know why God puts up with them all!
And I'm allergic to cats
(Posted in response to the posts above Francophile's)
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Francophile:
The kitten in the video link posted by Thyme upthread is just SO adorable! What breed of kitten is that?
One that will grow up to be a killer. Because that's what cats do. They are in fact top carnivore predators. Who might look magnificent right up to the point that they leap onto you and slash your throat open.
Now shut it.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Bitch about weddings?
Where do I start!
Female guests who arrive dressed in a dazzling array of man-made fibres as if for a cocktail party, cheap "fascinators" clamped to the side of the head, teetering on vertiginous heels and shrieking at each other like seabirds. Hardly ever will they have any covering on their shoulders, and the dresses all finish mid-thigh.
I have visited mosques where I have been required to borrow a (not particularly clean) ankle-length, hooded garment before going in. Perhaps you could initiate this custom at your church.
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Actually it's the brides who astound me -- "neck"lines practically down to their waists with everything about to fall out. I don't know why they need to dress like hookers when they've obviously just hooked someone.
(What's wrong with man-made fibres?)
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
...(What's wrong with man-made fibres?) [/QB]
They can get awfully sweaty!
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[tangent] I love good coding from a host [/tangent]
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I kind of assumed RooK was officiating at a humanist service?
Anyway, Rookie-poo having mother-of-the-bride (I presume mother?) problems. There is a God! Or maybe that's actually more evidence of proof for the other guy?
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No pictures at baptisms? Really? And people call US old-fashioned.
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
I kind of assumed RooK was officiating at a humanist service?
Anyway, Rookie-poo having mother-of-the-bride (I presume mother?) problems. There is a God! Or maybe that's actually more evidence of proof for the other guy?
Weddings are much more proof of the other guy than of God.
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orfeo
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Tell me, why exactly is it that large numbers of quite attractive women suddenly decide as brides or bridesmaids that they need to put their hair up in a hairstyle that is completely untried and no-one has ever seen them in before?
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They've never been a bride before? (In some cases.)
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But that's the point. Where is it written that when you're a bride, you must abandon whatever normally makes you attractive in favour of something that looks like a weaverbird nest?
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Tell me, why exactly is it that large numbers of quite attractive women suddenly decide as brides or bridesmaids that they need to put their hair up in a hairstyle that is completely untried and no-one has ever seen them in before?
I believe it was a cultural thing that unmarried women just didn't 'put their hair up'. Some kind of signal, alternatively a more practical style for those who would be working in the home after they married.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Here I have been bursting with that particular secret for-- what, a couple years? -- and then you out yourself anyway.
Apparently, in Canada "Marriages may be performed by members of the clergy, marriage commissioners, judges, justices of the peace or clerks of the court." (Wikipedia) I would guess marriage commissioner, but why would that be such a big deal?!
However, if RooK is actually clergy, then I for one would be awed by his acting abilities.
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... but why would that be such a big deal?!
Beats me,he told me not to spread it around, and I didn't.
And I'm sorry, I lack the proper above-it-all ness for it not to be a big deal to me-- RooK's my bro,therefore to me it is a big deal. But that's just silly little Kelly again.
Kel//didn't I once make a big flipping deal about sharing a baptism birthday with someone once? Must have embarrased the hell out of him with my silliness. And me being Lutheran and all I guess it doesn't count.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Here I have been bursting with that particular secret for-- what, a couple years? -- and then you out yourself anyway.
Apparently, in Canada "Marriages may be performed by members of the clergy, marriage commissioners, judges, justices of the peace or clerks of the court." (Wikipedia) I would guess marriage commissioner, but why would that be such a big deal?!
However, if RooK is actually clergy, then I for one would be awed by his acting abilities.
Location of wedding unknown. Usual location of Rook no longer in Canada.
That damn maple leaf leads people to all sorts of questionable assumptions, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Usual location of Rook no longer in Canada.
Oh dear... And here I was wondering why drone flyovers were becoming more and more frequent.
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I bet RooK looks as cute as kittens on a lovely day in his clericals. He might even outshine the bride. Depending on the bride, of course.
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Last Saturday I sang a a wedding. My fellow choristers roundly dissed every aspect of it in a pretty snobbish way. It has to be admitted though, the bride was orange, and the groom had taken the trouble to spell out "She's mine" in diamantes on the soles of his shoes. I wasn't close enough (or interested enough) to ascertain whether the apostrophe was correctly placed, or even included. I was too distracted by the two little flower girls charging round and round in their clompy shoes(*) while we attempted to sing 'Ave Maria' over the sound of the congo's chatter.
* Dear Mother of Flower Girl,
If you're not able to persuade the child to stay in a pew (even though you're brandishing an iPad and she must have, like, a doll or something she could bring) perhaps you could take off the clompy shoes? Just a thought.
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L'organist: quote:
The modern wedding is in a mess and the church is right in there helping to cheapen the whole business by its willingness not to impose some sense of decorum on people who behave like modern barbarians.
You mean we should go back to having weddings that last for several days where the wine flows like water and everyone gets ratted?
Surely, if Jesus didn't want us to get drunk at weddings he wouldn't have changed all that water into wine (John 2:1-11)?
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Bitch about weddings?
Where do I start!
Female guests who arrive dressed in a dazzling array of man-made fibres as if for a cocktail party, cheap "fascinators" clamped to the side of the head, teetering on vertiginous heels and shrieking at each other like seabirds. Hardly ever will they have any covering on their shoulders, and the dresses all finish mid-thigh.
Ushers (groomsmen) who seem incapable of movement or speech unless masticating large wadges of gum, never bothing to close the mouth because EVERYONE is going to be fascinated at the contents.
Brides "fashionably" late - don't know where they got that idea from. Giggling uncontrollably through the service, in one case turning and giving a thumbs-up sign to her mates behind her in the middle of her vows.
The modern wedding is in a mess and the church is right in there helping to cheapen the whole business by its willingness not to impose some sense of decorum on people who behave like modern barbarians.
Your "sense of decorum" is someone else's stuffy formality, and your "modern barbarians" is someone else's "not still living in the 1950s"
Culture changes. Get over it.
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Mrs Sioni and I went to a wedding on Saturday and it was immense fun. It was held in a registry office (a suitably distinguished room in St George's Hall, Liverpool), most of the photographs were taken in the old Court No 1, the transport arrangements were A*, reception was in a pub/hotel/restaurant and the whole occasion, while not entirely error-free, went off with minimum fuss.
Ministers should set stiffer criteria about who can get married in churches. So there.
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by comet:
Further- one get-out-of-hell-free card to whomever gets me a photo of RooK in a clerical collar. Preferably in pin-up form.
passer wins.
best PM ever.
Me too. PLEASE. me too...
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L'organist
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posted by Karl LB quote:
Culture changes. Get over it.
It is NOT culture for a bride to be so drunk that there must be serious doubts as to whether or not the union is legally valid.
It isn't culture to have people opening beer cans at the back of the church while their friends are being married at the front.
It isn't culture to watch someone having to rearrange her strapless dress so that her nipples are covered.
I have little time for what you call "stuffy formality" but I have a lot of time for basic good manners and civilised behaviour.
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Do you go to enough weddings that you have been able to discern that this sort of thing is a common occurrence, L'organist, or are you getting exercised over abstractions?
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orfeo
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Well, it's a culture. Just not a very cultured one.
(Although the bride definitely needs to be in possession of enough faculties to demonstrate capacity to consent.)
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by L'organist:
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Culture changes. Get over it.
It is NOT culture for a bride to be so drunk that there must be serious doubts as to whether or not the union is legally valid.
It isn't culture to have people opening beer cans at the back of the church while their friends are being married at the front.
It isn't culture to watch someone having to rearrange her strapless dress so that her nipples are covered.
I have little time for what you call "stuffy formality" but I have a lot of time for basic good manners and civilised behaviour.
But that is none of what you complained in your previous post. Your complaints in this post are reasonable, those in the last were a bit of "Get off my lawn!"
I dislike weddings in general, but my ire is more often drawn by officiants. Ministers who, if they are the representatives of their religion, make me glad I am on the outside of it.* Organists who play what they will, not the couple's choice, choristers who think they are the main show, etc. Although I have helped photograph a handful of weddings, less than 10. Just enough to make me also hate the wedding party, so...
*I don't subscribe to your religion, minister, but I am still certain he does not have his head as far up his arse as you do yours.
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Jane R
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lilbuddha: quote:
Organists who play what they will, not the couple's choice, choristers who think they are the main show, etc.
Would you agree that choristers who lower their standards to sing a banal pop song, specially arranged in four-part harmony by the organist at the request of the bride and groom, are entitled to feel slightly miffed if the congregation sit and talk (loudly) amongst themselves all the way through it?
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L'organist
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posted by lilBuddha quote:
But that is none of what you complained in your previous post. Your complaints in this post are reasonable, those in the last were a bit of "Get off my lawn!"
I dislike weddings in general, but my ire is more often drawn by officiants. Ministers who, if they are the representatives of their religion, make me glad I am on the outside of it.* Organists who play what they will, not the couple's choice, choristers who think they are the main show, etc. Although I have helped photograph a handful of weddings, less than 10. Just enough to make me also hate the wedding party, so...
Not so: what I complained about in my original post was inappropriate behaviour for the ceremony and inappropriate behaviour/dress for the place.
As for your assertion that any organist for a wedding will "play what they will" you are so wide of the mark as to be in another hemisphere.
In common with many, perhaps most, organists I spend an in ordinate amount of time with wedding couples trying to help them with the music for their ceremony so that we achieve, as far as possible, something that matches their expectations, hopes and dreams.
To that end every couple who marries at the church where I play gets the chance to meet with me at least twice: first during a general session for all couples getting married during a six month period and then individually. The general session lasts about an hour and a half and is very relaxed: a quartet of choir are there to give brief samples of hymns and anthems, there are CDs of hymns, anthems and organ music for couples to borrow, I play over the more popular choices. I have contact details for solo instrumentalists (trumpeter, harpist, violinist, clarinetist) if they want something different. There is a glass of wine and nibbles to put people at their ease and I try to make arrangements to meet every couple on their own to sort out their requirements. Individual sessions can last up to 2 hours depending on how much time the couple need to make up their mind. In the past I have seen one couple for a total of 8 [EIGHT] hours to get the wedding music they wanted.
And still - it is not uncommon for a couple to ignore all of this, not to come to the general session, not to reply to messages (voice-mail, text and email) to make an appointment, not to borrow a sample CD.
One classic case can sum it up: nothing heard from couple despite every effort being made by me and the parish priest to get them to at least tell us what they wanted. Orders of service arrived in the church only 10 minutes before the start time. They listed an opening piece that isn't written for organ and for which I didn't have the music, one of the "hymns" was Angels (as sung by Robbie Williams) - again, we don't have the music and none was supplied.
The rest we could cope with BUT that was only because, by good luck one of the choir happened to be working in the churchyard and so was available to come in to sing Laudate Dominum by Mozart (the couple hadn't requested choir) and I happened to have a transcription of the Radetsky March and to be able to just play it at the drop of a hat.
Notwithstanding all that, the couple made a formal complaint to the bishop because the choir they hadn't asked for wasn't there, because we couldn't just reproduce Angels without the music, and that they hadn't had The Lark ascending by Vaughan Williams played at the start.
I play for roughly 80 weddings per year (I cover more than one church) and have been doing this for over 30 years. No, I'm NOT saying get off my lawn, I'm asking for courtesy and good manners.
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LeRoc
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lilBuddha: Organists who play what they will, not the couple's choice
In my experience, the choice of hymns is always a negotiation between the couple, the celebrant and the choir/musicians. The couple doesn't have free choice without taking anyone into account.
[ETA: Although if I'd ever get married in RooK's church, I would insist on Shine Jesus shine, repeated at least 50 times to make sure that His light will shine over our wedding.]
[ 05. November 2013, 11:35: Message edited by: LeRoc ]
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