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Galloping Granny
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So the NZ parliament has now passed the Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill, the 'Gay Marriage Bill', by 77 votes to 44.
Belonging to the Presbyterian network who supported the Bill, while our General Assembly was about 75% against GLBT eligibility in leadership, I was most impressed while watching the debate by the respect shown by all the speakers – none of the interjection, name-calling etc in most debates.
I was also impressed by the honesty of some of the conservative characters who had been persuaded in the course of the three readings to support the bill (thought some had gone the other way).
The final result was followed by a rousing waiata (a maori song) from the gallery, and a great deal of embracing among the members. More aroha than is usually seen in the Chamber.
I think I'm on a bit of a high.
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(I did preview it, and made a careless alteration)
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I do like New Zealand.
Stepping out with courage.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
I was in Montreal on the weekend for the New Democratic Party of Canada's Federal Policy Convention ... Bill Shorten MP wandered in and we put him on stage as a Guest Speaker ... He was the best speaker of the weekend, by far, and everyone enjoyed him immensely.
By all means, please keep him there!!
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Galloping Granny
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Originally posted by Patdys:
Yeah, but a lot of our Presbyterians became Uniting church and we are moving forward, albeit glacially and with great pain.
If a Uniting church like yours was formed here, a lot would happily join in. Presbyterian Affirm (who joined a list of 'church leaders' opposing the Bill) would remain aloof. Our own Moderator of Assembly signed because Assembly had this majority against gays in leadership, but when gently reminded that this was hurtful to the gay membership he withdrew his signature and apologised.
Presbyterians that I know who visit Oz avoid Presbyterian churches like the plague but are at home with the Uniting Church. OTOH a Presbyterian minister from Oz who came to Rev Mary's church (in a town much frequented by tourists & holiday visitors) seemed somewhat uncomfortable before a woman minister but was civil and remarked on a favourite hymn in what was probably a pretty Progressive milieu.
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Soo sad to hear news of the destruction of Holy Trinity Church hall at Dulwich Hill, Sydney. The hall was used as a youth centre and had had a lot of success in getting troubled youth back on track through the discipline of boxing, the rector fighting Father Dave seems like a great bloke and it's just really sad that something positive has been destroyed in what is assumed is an arson attack.
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We had two Presbyterians at our UCA church this morning. They were visiting us from NSW,, and really enjoyed having a woman minister.
They increased our numbers to 17.... At least 10 folk were away today, or maybe, at 5c. it was just too cold to get out of bed.
Anyway, two lovely women, good singing voices.... Great visitors.
They chose us because there is no Prezzie Church around for kilometres. I guess we were the next best thing.
I am rumoured to preach a leftie, liberal kinda message, but they felt at home...
Today's big issue was the formation of a Breakfast Club across the road from us, at the little school. The new chaplain is very enthusiastic about this. I outlined various ways our church could be involved, including giving money, which I would pass on to the chaplain. Now I assume our church will formally give a donation, but I was thrilled with the response of two elderly ladies- one of our visitors and one of my lot, who just have gifts on the spot. Lovely..
We then had morning tea, and finally got to race home to our heaters and fireplaces.
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Originally posted by Zappa:
You know GG (and others may have said this!) when I see your sig line I always feel tempted to cite G.Thom logion 114 ...
Touché!
So how exactly do we interpret that?
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Galloping Granny
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Dear kind host – my first post of 21 April vanished when I dropped off line, was replaced and then popped up after all. Please would you delete the second version?
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Welease Woderwick
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It's done - I thought you were getting a bit repetitive!
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Just back from a couple of weeks in Wellington. I didn't contact anyone because I was very involved with family. My Dad died. I'm still feeling a bit numb.
I am happy to be back home, but got back too late to get Georgie out of the cattery.
Huia
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Sorry to hear that Huia ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Huia, our prayers for you and your family, and most importantly for your father. May he rest in peace and rise in glory to be with our risen Lord.
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Yes, Huia. And take care of yourself, too.
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Huia
I'm so sorry
Much love from FD and me
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Welease Woderwick
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What part of Matt. 7:1 don't you understand?
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Galloping Granny
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Huia
With love
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Huia, prayers for you, your family, and for your father.
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So sorry to hear this, Huia. I know you and your Dad were very close.
Take care of yourself. xx
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Prayers for you and your family, Huia. Having lost both parents I can understand what you are experiencing in terms of numbness. It took me quite some weeks to really grieve for my Dad. It all came out during the culmination of a parish mission, where I burst into floods of tears in front of the whole congregation, but the love and care of those around me was wonderful. Look after yourself, especially after all the other stressors which have been in your own life.
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Gee D
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Lest we forget
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Gallipoli - Memorial at Anzac Cove by Ataturk.
"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives…
You are now living in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours…
You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace, after having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
Ataturk, 1934
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Huia & family
The ANZACs; Britain's best allies for a very long time. Many thanks.
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I actually wrote this quite a few years ago, but when I was previously on SOF I used to share a poem every Anzac Day, so I thought I'd do so again (if you don't mind).
Behind The Lines (1914-1918)
On the lines
where blood and water meet
Miles of trenches
and miles of wire
No-Man’s Land
is Dead Man’s Land
Young men face death
Young men grow old
On the lines
where young men die
Behind the lines
where life-blood flows
Doctors never sleep
and the dead never wake
Each man’s bed
is a dead man’s bed
Pretence of hope
Shortage of life
Behind the lines
where young men die
Behind the lines
where blood is thicker than water
Columns of names
ranks of the dead
Any man’s name
is a dead man’s name
Fathers, brothers, sons –
Names in the paper
Between the lines
are young men mourned
Behind the lines
where wine and champagne flow
Counters are moved
and dice are thrown
Dead men’s faces
are strangers’ faces
Old men decide
Young men’s fates
Behind the lines
are young men killed
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Huia
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'You must never give way for an answer. An answer is always the stretch of road that's behind you. Only a question can point the way forward.'
Mika; in Hello? Is Anybody There?, Jostein Gaardner
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Huia... in my prayers.
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Thankyou for the poem above.
No services to lead this Anzac Day, being but my first in this town. Kinda strange. No doing. Just being an ordinary person, but I appreciated the chance to be so.
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So sorry, Huia, just noticed this. My deepest sympathies.
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Huia.
I know this one, sadly. My father died not twelve months ago.
Leaves a hole in your life and an ache in the heart.
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Huia
My dad is gone too. It is hard.
Spent some of ANZAC Day with my 95yr old Mum.
It would have been her 67th wedding anniversary today.
Life is full of road bumps. Sigh.
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Thanks for the prayers. I've woken up a bit less numb today, with plans to plant the daffodil bulbs I didn't manage at Easter. There's something about a death that calls for an affirmation of life.
Huia
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Dear Huia - I am so very sorry,
Prayers for your Dad and you
God bless.
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Thanks Pete.
I rang my youngest brother on whom most of the sorting out and legal stuff has landed and he sounds overwhelmed as he is also starting a new job with more paperwork than he expected. Oldest bro is doing his best, and is a good worker, but not a good organiser so I'm going back up to boss everyone around (a-hem help with organisation)
I don't really want to go, but I don't see any other option. I will have to return on Sunday - which, being the last day of the school holidays will not be fun - If I'm lucky the world might end before then ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Huia
Take care.
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Huia.
We have just finished our first trip to NZ. We didn't have the time to fit in a meet, but we did get to see some of Wellington, Rotorua and Auckland. We'll be back.
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At the big house 50-60 extra bodies made a LOT of noise yesterday - the Australia & New Zealand Association of Bellringers kept the bells peeling all day, with 24 bodies in the belltower at any given time. I knew about ANZAC, but ANZAB was a new one! Anyway, it seems there was hearty ringing, hearty eating and hearty fellowship.
I wonder what bellringers can talk about for two days at a conference? The mind boggles. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Vulpior, I'm not biassed or anything but you missed the most beautiful part of New Zealand, so of course you'll have to come back.
The good news is that I can shift the day I'm returning, so I'm coming back on the Monday. which shouldn't be as busy. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
...I wonder what bellringers can talk about for two days at a conference? The mind boggles.
I bet they go like the clappers!
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Huia
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
...I wonder what bellringers can talk about for two days at a conference? The mind boggles.
I bet they go like the clappers!
Wodders that is the kind of pun my Dad enjoyed. As his grandson said when we were interring the ashes, "If Grandad was made redundant he could always get a job writing jokes to go in Christmas crackers".
This is probably not a good time to ask as I will be off internet for the next week or so, but has anyone heard from Lothlorien lately?
I have been given a couple of days off next week so I no longer have to travel on the last day of the holidays
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Huia , we had coffee with her brother after the local Anzac Day service. Now, we don't normally make her a subject of conversation, but I'm sure that if there were something seriously wrong, he would have mentioned it.
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I've been wondering about Lothlorien too, haven't seen her around at all, sent her a PM but it remains unopened. I hope she's away with her Grandkids or something, it's been school hols here, she might have been doing Grandmotherly duties and too busy for the ship.
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Happy Star Wars Day people!
(how on earth did this thread get so close to falling off the first page?)
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We saw Lothlorien's brother and nephew at the BG the other evening. He said that she had been looking after a sick granddaughter for the last day or so, but that otherwise he knew of nothing.
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Thanks Gee D.
Am back home again and don't want to go back to Wellington for a loooong time. If there is anything in reincarnation I am coming back as an orphan whose siblings are all celibate ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif) .
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Welease Woderwick
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Someone, somewhere once wrote about how we all have a biological family and then we have a logical family - and although the terms are not necessarily mutually exclusive in theory, they are often are in practice.
I cope well with my biological family at about eight and half thousand kilometres distance - that is about the perfect separation.
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