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Welease Woderwick
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Evangeline
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Prayers for you GG and everyone else with illnesses and stress
The election of the Abp of Sydney is interesting and yes I think there's a lot of jockeying for position with the younger generation. Of course in some ways the most interesting thing about this election is the impact it will have on the abp after that (the annointed one is extremely conservative but he may not wait around for 15-20 years).
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Gee D
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Prayers from us both to you GG
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Uncle Pete
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Many prayers for you and The Granddad, GG! God hold you both in his hands.
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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Rosie and I will be thinking of you both GG.
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Huia
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Thinking of you and the Grandad, GG and hoping that his health has taken a turn for the better overnight.
Huia
[ 05. August 2013, 19:26: Message edited by: Huia ]
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Our prayers for all who are ill or grieving.
We have been preoccupied this last couple of weeks with my recovery from second cataract operation and yet another change to my wife's pain meds, so please forgive the tardy response.
On electoral matters, Newcastle reconvenes on September 14 for another attempt at a new diocesan. No public announcement as to nominees this time though.
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Evangeline
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Good news I think Loth, well as good as could be expected.Will be interesting to see if Smith runs at the next election.
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Welease Woderwick
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In the photo he wasn't wearing a purple stock!
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Uncle Pete
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Sound like the same old. eh? Names have been changed, that's all.
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Gee D
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Sound like the same old. eh? Names have been changed, that's all.
Not quite that Pete C, glad to say. When Bishop Glenn has come to confirm or preach, he's always vested properly in good old fashioned style, looking like a nineteenth century portrait. I'm not sure that Canon Smith would do the same, but perhaps he'll be our new Regional Bishop (groans)?
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Mr Curly
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Tonight, Little Miss puts her last tooth in a glass for The Tooth Fairy . . .
. . . and it is a year today since my GP rang up and told me to ring an ambulance and get to hospital forthwith.
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Firenze
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What's the TF paying out these days? When I still had teeth to spare it was sixpence (which in Those Days would buy you enough sweeties to rot out a few more molars).
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Last I heard from my uncle who is paying out roughly once a month at the moment, it was $2 (just less than a pound) because it's the largest amount possible without going to multiple coins or a $5 note.
Mum helpfully decided to pass on one extra rule that the tooth fairy applied ruthlessly in our house - if a dentist had to pull it out you got nothing!
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and it is a year today since my GP rang up and told me to ring an ambulance and get to hospital forthwith.
mr curly
Glad you're still here, Mr C. It's a good anniversary!
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Mr Curly
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Indeed Rexory, and there are some celebrations planned with two of my mates (one who had a potentially more catastrophic cardiac arrest a few years ago) in a few weeks. I suspect BBQ pork ribs and amber fluid will be consumed in immoderate quantities.
We've signed off on the tooth fairy at $2 per tooth. We've had no extractions, but agree that the tooth fairy will not attend in those circumstances.
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Galloping Granny
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When our kids were getting sixpence (they're now in their 40s) the neighbours were getting half a crown. I didn't think a fairy was big enough to carry such a weight.
Of course an Aussie $2 is smaller than a $1, isn't it? That would send the price up these days.
Those same neighbours had their kids hunting Easter Eggs on Good Friday. And he came from a good Methodist family.
The Grandad is having a relatively modest operation tomorrow to clear the blockage in his gut. Fortunately small as he mightn't survive a major procedure.
GG – who drove 300 kms yesterday to pick up more clothes & deal with left behind food etc, and 300 km back today, and is glad that there are shuttle-buses round this vast hospital by day while a tired Granny can be brought back to the hostel in a wheel chair in the evening if she can't crawl home by herself.
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Huia
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GG, I had just popped out to send you an email. I am really impressed by the kilometres and the speed you're clocking up. I hope you get a chance for a rest while the grandad is in hospital.
Huia
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Jengie jon
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
In the photo he wasn't wearing a purple stock!
Reading far to much into it. I did a check and this is how Archbishop Welby on the announcement of his appointment as Archbishop.
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Gee D
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Yes, you take it easy as well GG and get some rest. Can you look into a bit of support for when you get back home?
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Lothlorien
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Yes, you take it easy as well GG and get some rest. Can you look into a bit of support for when you get back home?
That sounds like a really good idea. There's always more to such events than just physical tiredness.
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Galloping Granny
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Yes, you take it easy as well GG and get some rest. Can you look into a bit of support for when you get back home?
Should be possible when we get back to the city, but the first thing will be to resume our holiday at Matarangi, which is pretty laid back. Not much housework – cleaner comes in when we've gone. The beauty of having a place there is that everything's simple: the house isn't full of forty years' STUFF, there are trees with a tui chattering outside our window, a few neighbours might turn up at the weekend but it's otherwise very quet, and the Grandad does jigsaws and dozes after lunch.
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Gee D
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Sounds like our place down the coast - the only thing to do is nothing. Just make sure you both rest and enjoy it.
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Galloping Granny
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Sounds like our place down the coast - the only thing to do is nothing. Just make sure you both rest and enjoy it.
First we have to get through. All the big shots round the bed this morning – have to do a lesser but urgent procedure this afternoon to relieve pressure in the gut; more has to be done but not till pneumonia's dealt with. All risks clearly defined. Scary.
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Lothlorien
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Many prayers for you both GG.
I've had pneumonia badly a few years ago and remember how dreadful it was. Combine with the stomach problems and I can see how scary it must be for you.
Prayers for medical staff too.
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Gee D
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GG, special prayers from both of us for you, the Granddad and those caring for him.
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James the Confident
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Prayers for GG & GD.
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Ozheather & I are crook as dogs at the mo'. Got all the energy of lead.
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Get well all!
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Uncle Pete
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Off for coffee with Cusanus. Madteawoman has been behaving at my conference, so all is well.
But isn't it when she's misbehaving that it's more fun?
And say hi to Cusanus. I miss him on these boards.
ps - just noticed post dates. Ah well, send him a note, willya?
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Banner Lady
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Checking in with a chest infection here. On the positive side, the jonquils and daffodils are out, and the wattle is blooming everywhere. Spring is definitely just around the corner, so am expecting to come off the antibiotics and then have to go on to hayfever meds....sincere sympathy for all others trying to get their health and energy back.
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Confirmed on the Newcastle Diocese Facebook page yesterday that the only candidate for the episcopal election is Rt Rev Greg Thompson, Bishop of the Northern Territory. Please pray that we can achieve the necessary majority in both houses of synod to elect our new diocesan bishop.
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Gee D
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Zappa's on his way across the Tasman. If Bishop Greg goes, who will be left? A very difficult diocese to go into at any level, I'd think.
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Lothlorien
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Kuruman will be back over the Tasman too with Zappa, leaving her diocesan position.
I wonder if the tentacles which have reached the far north west of WA will think of spreading into NT?
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Gee D
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That's right - even fewer left. That's in a diocese strapped for people and even more strapped for money.
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Gee D
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My suspicion is that one result of the election of ++Glenn will be some considerable restraint in that sort of activity. The failure of Canon Smith's candidacy has been a real slap in the face for Dean Phillip Jensen and those who surround him, one whose sting will last quite a few years.
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I have been thinking of the benefits of being sick. It might be marginally better than listening to ABBA or having to study the art of enemas. (not a lot of difference between those comparison points really).
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Hi all,
I'm new here and looking for a bit of advice. I grew up a baptised Christian, but I was also gay and in the closet, there was no one I trusted to speak to about it. My church was fundamentalist and as I teenager I heard no answers other than condemnation, and naively praying to God asking him to change me ended in nothing, other than deep spiritual discouragement. I'll spare the details, other than to say it was a difficult time, until I cleared my head in my early twenties and convinced myself that it was all just nonsense anyway.
So I carried on with my life - but I was never truly an atheist. I dabbled a bit with paganism (not to the silly extent of summoning spirits or anything) and then pantheism, finally coming to a vague conclusion that there is innately a divine aspect to the universe, but still rejecting the idea that man has any right to 'put a box around' that (based on the hurt and bloodshed that I see religious differences causing, surely no good God could will that to happen in his/her name).
But more recently I've come full circle, in a sense. An overwhelming need hit me last week, it was a certain conviction that there were ills in my own life, and in the world, that cannot be healed through human strength alone, and that I needed to submit myself and reconcile with God, and the church. Most urgently, my father angrily rejected me when I came out to him over a decade ago, it wounded me deeply, and I cannot find the strength to forgive him, as we cannot bring it up. It is like a wound to the soul that will not close up, because we still talk to each other (perhaps we would not if it were not that I need to see my mother) yet the atmosphere is thick with unspoken bitterness and lack of trust - even if it is in my head. The thought that it is painful for him as well brings me to tears sometimes.
But getting back to reconciliation with the church. This is not a new idea for me, it is only the strength of conviction and the determination that are new. But there are few churches where I can feel comfortable. A few years ago I attempted to return to a church of the same denomination I grew up in. The style of music was less traditional than I prefer, but I was feeling closer to God in the worship. When I came out in private to the pastor, there was an unequivocal response that homosexuality was sinful and I could not be a Christian if I believed otherwise. That is a 'stumbling block' for me. I am not promiscuous - quite the opposite - but I am not going to vow myself to either lifelong chastity or trying to pretend I'm straight, when I'm not. I quite believe that it's possible - and productive to read the Bible in context, and look for meaning that brings our hearts closer to God, rather than attempting to feed prejudices and divisions. I mean, I have to. Fundamentalism just has not worked for me, and I'm savvy enough to know that 'ex-gay' theory is a pile of stupid bullshit anyway, pardon the language.
So now, in my mid thirties and in Melbourne, I need to start from square one. I've given up on fundamentalist evangelical churches, they are written off for me personally. I am not even interested in attending charismatic churches. My Protestant training leaves me with some hang-ups about the Roman church, largely historical, but they are there anyway. I am thinking I should continue my search in the Anglican church, while I only attended once as a child I did then love the liturgy and the music - my love for music from the Church's history has never once left me, even though the lyrics have become personally confusing. I am also seeking theological understanding that does not compromise the brain God has granted me, and most importantly spiritual devotion that brings me close to God.
So, you guys in this forum seem an insightful lot. Am I on the right track?
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Huia
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I have been thinking of the benefits of being sick. It might be marginally better than listening to ABBA or having to study the art of enemas. (not a lot of difference between those comparison points really).
I'm not sick, but I'm having a mental health day. That's much more fun.
Huggorune - welcome to the Ship. I can't help with any practical info as I'm from the other side of the ditch but it sounds like that could be a good plan.
I was talking to the Minister at the Presbytarian Church where I worship yesterday and reflecting how healing it has been for me being part of a church where I don't have to check my brain at the door and, even more importantly, where I feel loved and accepted as I am.
I hope you find that too.
Huia
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Hi all ... Am I on the right track?
Firstly welcome. I'm off to umpire (netball) right now, but I'd like at the very least to say yes there's a right track there. From your history it could be hard to overcome the mysteries of liturgy, but there are plenty of places in Melbourne that have no difficulty with gay members.
If you can master the technology, PM me.
As it happens I was in Melbourne last weekend. Great banner on the cathedral.
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My suspicion is that one result of the election of ++Glenn will be some considerable restraint in that sort of activity. The failure of Canon Smith's candidacy has been a real slap in the face for Dean Phillip Jensen and those who surround him, one whose sting will last quite a few years.
I so hope so, and the signs are good. There may yet be a God in the Anglican church.
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Jengie jon
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Hugorone
I read your post and noticed the way it is worded. I suspect that given that is the way you feel, you need to at least start somewhere, where there is a fully developed theology of reconciliation. That means actually approaching a totally different part of the Christian spectrum and going to Roman Catholic, maybe Orthodox, Lutheran or Anglo-Catholic wing. Actually I wonder if you first step might not be to visit an Anglican religious order. Here is one with Melbourne Connections and another.
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Gee D
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I cannot speak of the Community of the Holy Name, but the Benedictines do their work by printing the sheets we (and presumably others) use on Sundays, containing the Sentence and Collect for the day, and the lectionary readings as well.
I don't know enough of Melbourne church life to recommend parish churches, except to say that there must be Anglican churches there, like ours, who welcome gays into their community. Most Anglo-Catholicism in Australia is of the liberal, Aff Cath variety. Some are not, and by searching the Forward in Faith site you'll find the parishes where the vicar belongs to that grouping. A good place to start experiencing Anglo-Catholic worship, if that interests you, may well be St Paul's Cathedral. It is well placed for public transport, and like most cathedrals, you can attend and still remain a bit apart.
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Galloping Granny
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Hugorone
I read your post and noticed the way it is worded. I suspect that given that is the way you feel, you need to at least start somewhere, where there is a fully developed theology of reconciliation. That means actually approaching a totally different part of the Christian spectrum and going to Roman Catholic, maybe Orthodox, Lutheran or Anglo-Catholic wing. Actually I wonder if you first step might not be to visit an Anglican religious order. Here is one with Melbourne Connections and another.
Jengie
Rev Margaret Mayman, a great minister and leader in our gay rights movement in the NZ Presbyterian church, especially recently sticking up for the gay marriage movement, is moving to Oz, not sure exactly when. I can remember Pitt Street, think it's Melbourne, and it would be UCA. Can anyone confirm the details? It would certainly be a welcoming place.
PS Grandad making a slow recovery, still attached to all sorts of wires and tubes but very excited yesterday at being given an iceblock and some jelly and fruit juice. Hoping to have him repatriated to Wellington hospital; it will be a long hard job to get his strength back after lying in bed for a couple of weeks and more. And I'll have to pack up at Matarangi and get son to come and help me drive home.
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Lothlorien
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Have been praying for you both, GG, and am glad to see your update. Yes, bed rest is needed, could hardly be anything else, but it too can be debilitating.
Pitt Street and Uniting to me means Pitt Street Uniting church, Sydney. Here's a link. It's right in Sydney CBD.
[corrected link coding - WW]
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