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Laud-able
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To Hugorone:
Welcome.
You might like to explore the list of welcoming Anglican congregations at Changing Attitude. If those that I know at first-hand are representative of the whole, you should do well. I hope that one or two may be close enough for you to visit.
Regarding Sydney and the soon-to-be Archbishop Glenn Davies, there is some pleasure to be had simply from the frustration of Bishop Jensen and his followers.
However, it was Bishop Davies who in 2008 proposed the resolution of the Sydney Synod that there was no legal impediment to deacons presiding at the Eucharist, a resolution that also affirmed lay presidency.
Although the Appellate Tribunal ruled in 2010 that presidency by laypeople and deacons at the Eucharist is not permitted under General Synod canons, I am not aware that Sydney has rescinded the resolution.
I shall wait and see.
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Huia
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GG - I'm glad to hear the Grandad is recovering, albeit slowly. I hope the transfer to Wellington Hospital makes things easier for both of you in that you will have friends around for support.
I ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) the people at my church. When I was last there I mentioned that the loop system (that makes it easier for hearing aid users to hear) wasn't operating properly. On Sunday it was loud and clear ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) It's really easy to feel isolated when you don't hear things properly.
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Banner Lady
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Welcome Hugerone. I do hope Orfeo pops in from Hell to say hello too. He might have some advice for you as you navigate the well-trod boards of this ship. You will definitely find a vast array of company here, many of us refugees from our cradle churches. Don't worry about the bunny with the axe, the mouse, or anyone whose avatar figure is wearing a hat. And Jugular, well, he's just a real sweetheart...
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Rowen
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Hello Hugerone.... Welcome to the Ship. Although I am not Victorian, I do live in the state, but know little about Melbourne. I hope you can find a suitable community of faith somewhere.
Life continues on here in the cold.... Saw snow last week in my mountains. Anyway, two conferences backing on to each other. Will my head explode? Maybe. Frontier Services clergy in Darwin next week. Then police chaplaincy in Melbourne. Both interesting, yet both too close together!
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Lothlorien
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Welcome Hugerone on board. I hope you find a place to settle in and be comfortable. I know nothing about Melbourne churches as I'm in Sydney. If Vulpior looks in, he may possibly know something about churches in Melbourne.
Rowen, not only your head might explode with two conferences like that. I find most conferences seem to fill head and also over cater with too many meals and snacks. Melbourne and Darwin? Sublime to ridiculous as to climate, whichever way you look at it.
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Rowen
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Yes, the climate thingie IS funny!
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Gee D
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Laud-able, that motion has not been rescinded, but the particular issue is not out in front at the moment, glad to say. An indicator that + Glenn will be an improvement over ++ Peter is that during the recent campaign, Dean Jensen said that + Glenn was "not sound".
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Gee D
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GG, prayers for continued progress by the GrandDad. I hope it was a lemonade ice block he was given as I suppose that champagne ones are definitely not allowed. Make sure that you get plenty of rest yourself and don't overdo things.
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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Whole series of largish earthquakes going on here. First was 6.2 around 2.30pm and almost constant shakes since, several over 5. I was driving home from a team day in Kapiti when it started - very glad I was pointed in the home direction - and its taken 2 and a half hours to get home (normally about 30 min from where I was).
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Welease Woderwick
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![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) for all affected by the earthquakes
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Wesley J
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Be it as it may: Wesley J will stay. --- Euthanasia, that sounds good. An alpine neutral neighbourhood. Then back to Britain, all dressed in wood. Things were gonna get worse. (John Cooper Clarke)
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Huia
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I've just been talking to my oldest brother in Wellington and suggesting he removes his books from the bookcase above his bed or sleeps in another room, right in the corner between two internal walls which is the safest place to be. I wish I had helped him sort out emergency supplies when I was up there.
for those in the area affected -continuous shakes like that wear you down.
And x10 for anyone who has to deal with EQC, they deserve their own hell thread.
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Gee D
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Prayers for all in NZ affected by the latest earthquakes. Has anyone heard from GG?
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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I'm hoping the Grandad has been kept where he was and not sent back to Wellington. Quite terrifying enough to be sick in hospital without having to be shaken around.
Still shaking every 5 mins or so, but mostly very quietly. I managed to sleep through the night, but I've woken up with really sore muscles - think I must have been more tense than I thought!
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers. It will be a quiet day, making sure our emergency gear is to hand, in the Winterbottom household.
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Emendator Liturgia
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for all those suffering in the shakey isles. sorry I didn't post earlier but have been away for a week - even been away from any TV set, so didn't know of the latest quakes in NZ.
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Galloping Granny
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Originally posted by Arabella Purity Winterbottom:
I'm hoping the Grandad has been kept where he was and not sent back to Wellington. Quite terrifying enough to be sick in hospital without having to be shaken around.
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They are talking about 'repatriating' him on Monday if his lungs can be cleared enough. I guess that would be in the Wellington Life Flight plane that's painted as if wrapped in bandages.
I sit in his cubicle full of amazing technology – it was only opened a couple of weeks ago – and thinking of what it would cost in the US, and giving thanks for a health service that works. I even have my accommodation paid for.
As for earthquakes: they've always been a part of my life. I'm a bit disappointed to be missing out on the excitement. But at least one has been felt here in Hamilton. And it's not the Wellington Fault twitching, but more in the Seddon cluster.
It seems there was a mag 4 about half an hour ago.
Details at Geonet
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Gee D
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When Geonet says "recent" it means it less than 90 minutes ago!
Thanks for the medical update. Thoughts and prayers continuing.
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Vulpior
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Thoughts and prayers for all in need. I've been lurking a lot, and I've started a few replies on other threads, but didn't complete them; too tired or busy to feel that I was putting in a useful contribution. But I thought I should particularly look in after the shakes over the ditch, remembering our time in Wellington for the footy earlier this year.
I'm afraid I can't offer anything on LGBT-welcoming/affirming congregations in Melbourne, although I have looked at the Changing Attitude list and it seems to be fairly well biased towards Melbourne and then Sydney.
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Athrawes
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Emerging from lurkerdom to add my prayers for all you lovely and amazingly brave people being shaken about! Just the thought terrifies me, and I can't believe you are *still* going through this. Seriously praying the earth will settle *soon*!
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Huia
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Yay - the small lump cut out of my back wasn't malignant
Now I can obsess about something else ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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Lothlorien
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Good news Huia.
Perhaps you could help me stress about the lack of choice here in the election. Both major parties have absolutely disgusting policies sending asylum seekers away. My electorate has several candidates for dubious minor parties. The sitting member is a cabinet minister and I didn't even recognise him when on TV news the other day. I have never heard of his main opponent.
I usually vote below the line and make up my own mind about where my preferences will go. I can tell you right now that someone I used to be associated with, will not be getting my preferences for the Senate vote. Now apparently president of the NSW branch of a party led by a Victorian whose last name rhymes with "liar," he is running for the Senate here. Just done $2000 as he won't get his deposit back. He doesn't stand a chance.
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Uncle Pete
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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
Yay - the small lump cut out of my back wasn't malignant
Now I can obsess about something else
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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Its a good feeling, that, and a relief.
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Gee D
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Huia, thanks for sharing that marvellous news with us. We had a bottle of your enjoyable pinot with dinner to celebrate. Best wishes.
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Zappa
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Good news, Huia.
Yup, I'll be voting for the Calathumpian Walrus Party. Never have I been so sickened by Australian politics. Crickey.com has had a cartooning field day, though ...
In the sermon linked below I outlined my theological anger. To my amazement on of my most stalwart Conservatives came to me nearly in tears - I thought I was in for a roasting - but she simply poured out her horror at the indecency of both major parties.
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Just voted, early. Now I can completely ignore the farce for the next few weeks.
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Uncle Pete
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quote:
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I'm rather excited to find that my book is now formally listed on my publishers' website. Er ... at a discount price. Does that mean I've been remaindered?
Oh well: writing - it was a fun career while it lasted!
The market for doorstops is rather limited and competitive in academic publishing. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
And Jugular, well, he's just a real sweetheart...
I see you taunting me, Lady. And here I am.
The telly is coming tomorrow to make moving pictures of me talking about the gays and such. Hugerone, you can PM me as well. There's a fair few affirming congregations in Melbourne, including some protestant ones. There's also some erstwhile shipmates who know things about such matters.™
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Galloping Granny
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Update on the Holiday that Turned to Custard. I've driven back to Matarangi from That wonderful Waikato Hospital, who report that the Grandad has left there – rang Wellington Hospital to find that he's expected but hasn't arrived yet. So he must be somewhere in the sky or otherwise being transferred in an ambulance.
It seems there will be quite a long period of recovery, especially after all this time lying in bed. I've told him that if he works hard at doing everything those nice physios tell him, he can aim at coming north to resume his holiday round the end of November.
And Wonderful Son (his label when programming my cell phone) is flying up to drive me home.
A note – One of our congregation was once minister at the church near the hospital. She alerted them and they rallied round, took me to church both Sundays, took me shopping (I'd left with one change of clothes) – I've made at least one good friend there, whose daughter is in the home congo.
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GG and Grandad
Huia
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Gee D
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GG - good on your son. You've probably done 6 months driving in a couple of weeks. And what wonderful help from your "borrowed" congregation. Another bottle of Huia's pinot with tonight's dinner, I think.
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Huia
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GG - the Presbytarian mafia strikes again. It's good you had that support, and wonderful son deserves the title. Best wishes to the Grandad on his recovery.
Clarence, I must try some of that.
Fine weather for my day off. I've already biked to the local shops and am now going into town
Cyclists Rule! (I don't wear lycra, nor jump red lights and only go onto the footpath if threatened).
Huia
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Well personally I am loving this election.
I love the commitment to a decent and caring approach to asylum seekers.
I admire the way both parties have agreed to and committed to a positive campaign.
I am flattered that such quality representatives are seeking my vote.
I can only be heartened by their leadership, their honesty and their vision.
As they say in Russia "Fuggemoff!"
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Lothlorien
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quote:
Originally posted by ozowen:
Well personally I am loving this election.
I love the commitment to a decent and caring approach to asylum seekers.
I admire the way both parties have agreed to and committed to a positive campaign.
I am flattered that such quality representatives are seeking my vote.
I can only be heartened by their leadership, their honesty and their vision.
As they say in Russia "Fuggemoff!"
Wish I lived where Ozowen lives! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
The choice in my electorate is abysmal. Labor, Libs, Bullet train party, one of Palmer's candidates and a green who looks as if he just fell out of his tree. The only one I have ever heard of before is the Labor sitting member who is also a Cabinet Minister. I saw him on TV the other day and didn't recognise him. Not exactly known in his own electorate.
I was once a Liberal supporter, like any good little Christian of my acquaintance then, but haven't been for quite a few years now. Couldn't stand Howard. However, with the dreadful policies for asylum seekers I have no wish to vote for either major party.
I've been sitting here working out how to gamble with my preferential vote to make a protest statement.
I always vote below the line for Senate and haven't even started on those except a a few I know I will definitely exclude. The ex-Mr Lothlorien has drawn a position relatively close to the top of the Senate paper. Must be careful there and also with Christian Democrats too. And the Shooters and so on.
Just woeful.
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Abysmal is such a good description of the whole election.
Should I vote for the dude who thinks cruelty is a vote winner or the dude who thinks cruelty is a vote winner?
Do I elect a populist hack who has renounced leadership for a real time responsive suck up to focus group findings or the other sycophant who dittos that?
Do I want to bring in the bitter and twisted mongrel that has wanted to be in Government the past three years and would stop at nothing to obtain that goal... or... the bloody same?
It's like my choices are down to shit for brains or a faecal-cranial transplantee.
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Some might think that they could conclude that I am bitter and twisted over this election. They are wrong- that isn't the conclusion- it's just the start of how pissed off I am.
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Huia
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Commiserations Ozowen, that sounds even worse than our local body elections, and they are uninspiring to say the least.
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Huia
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Too late to edit post - but I do have new glasses ordered ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Huia
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Damn, wish I could fly to Darwin, but I've never been good at throwing myself at the ground and missing. (HHG to the Galaxy, for those who have yet to enjoy its insanity)
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