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Thread: Anticiganism and Madeleine McCann (again...)
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Doublethink.
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Like most institutions caring for children over the last 50 years there was a fair bit of under the radar stuff going on - they were not subject to the same scrutiny as care homes.
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Zacchaeus
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quote: Originally posted by Doublethink: Like most institutions caring for children over the last 50 years there was a fair bit of under the radar stuff going on - they were not subject to the same scrutiny as care homes.
No, but there is a fair amount of under the radar stuff, going on in care homes too..
The point is schools are authorised, random unrelated people are not. [ 28. October 2013, 21:58: Message edited by: Zacchaeus ]
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Mudfrog
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quote: Originally posted by Anglican't: There's something of the other about the McCann case though, isn't there?
There's the foreignness of it for a start. This happened in a holiday resort, where people expect to unwind and relax. The juxtaposition of a child kidnap and palm trees is always going to get attention.
Madeleine's age presumably has something to do with it, too. This wasn't a child who could really interact with adults in the way an older child, like Shannon perhaps, could.
The Matthews family obviously has problems in the way that a family like the McCanns don't. Some of that is probably projected, rightly or wrongly, on to the child.
So I think there are lots of reasons why the Madeleine McCann case justifiably had a lot of publicity. I still can't stand the sight of their parents and wish they'd be done for neglect, but that's a separate matter.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here as a reason for the continuing interest in the McCann story is the behaviour of the Portuguese police; it's a running sub plot to the whole affair - have the Portuguese police investigated properly? Has the police chief lied about the McCann family, etc, etc. The implied mishandling of the case and the frustration of the British police and the distress of the McCanns is what has kept this story going.
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Matt Black
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: Hang on a minute. Adoption means formally, legally making a change in a child's parents.
Are you suggesting that parents have no power on their own to entrust the care of their child to someone else, while legally remaining the parents?
Up to a point: it would depend in the UK at least on factors such as the length of stay with the carers, their relationship to the child, whether there were child protection issues including the state of the accommodation provided by the carers, and certainly whether the child would be taken to another country. From what we have been told so far, on at least some of the above, the 'carer parents' fall down quite markedly.
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ken
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Schools get some sort of inspection or licensing which is supposed to show they are fit to care for children.
(Just as an aside I don't think that schools in England are in any general sense legally in loco parentis)
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Zacchaeus
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quote: Originally posted by ken: Schools get some sort of inspection or licensing which is supposed to show they are fit to care for children.
(Just as an aside I don't think that schools in England are in any general sense legally in loco parentis)
just quoting from this article in the TES
'Under the Children Act 1989, teachers have a duty of care towards their pupils, traditionally referred to as 'in loco parentis'. Legally, while not bound by parental responsibility, teachers must behave as any reasonable parent would do in promoting the welfare and safety of children in their care. The idea dates back to the 19th century when courts were first coming to terms with teachers' responsibilities. It was during this period that case law established that a teacher should act "as a prudent father". '
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I have heard that on the great increase of numbers of social workers in the 1960s, abuse of children dropped precipitously. I admit this was only from a comment made on the Guardian website, made by someone identifying as a social worker, so I have no idea of its accuracy.
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Garasu
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I have to ask: before that point, did we have a concept of child abuse that would enable any meaningful comparison to be made?
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Doublethink.
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Have you read Nicholas Nickleby ?
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Enoch
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Tangent alert
I've been itching to ask and this thread has been running for over a week without my question being answered either directly or in passing. What does 'anticiganism' mean? Does everyone else know this word apart from me? Is it a real word or is it a misprint? If the latter, what for?
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Sarkycow
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I think it's a typo for antiziganism, which means racism against gypsies/Roma.
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North East Quine
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Racism against gypsies, spelled with a "z" across the pond, but with a "c" here.
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Zacchaeus
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I googled it but all i got was a link to this thread!!
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Gee D
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It's a neologism, devised by a sociology tutor. 2 more such words and there's a prospect of a tenured lectureship.
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