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Og, King of Bashan

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American Thanksgiving is on Thursday, and aside from turkey, no food better represents that holiday than pie. So what is your favorite pie?

I must have pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving. I would take sweet potato as a substitute, but really, it has to be one or the other, or it isn't Thanksgiving.

Pecan pie is another favorite. I recently learned that there are a lot of people out there who hate pecans in general, and pecan pie in particular. Fine. More for me.

And last, I have to acknowledge the many variations on custard pie that you find throughout the South. Buttermilk pie is heaven on a plate, and my grandma's lemon chess pie is the dessert course in my ideal last meal.

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Mmmm, pie. Despite not being in the US any more, I have some pumpkin puree in the freezer and I think a pumpkin pie may have to be created this week. Banoffee pie is delicious but my husband isn't really a fan, so I haven't made that for far too long. And a good lemon meringue is a delight.
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In Massachusetts all the way
From Boston down to Buzzards Bay
They feed you till you want to die
On rhubarb pie and pumpkin pie,
And horrible huckleberry pie,
And when you summon strength to cry,
“What is there else that I can try?”
They stare at you in mild surprise
And serve you other kinds of pies

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Around our house it is mincemeat,cranberry, apple pie. It came about one year when I was making a mincemeat pie and did not have enough mincemeat to fill the pie shell so I added some apples, and a handful of cranberries because they were sitting on the counter. Now it is our regular holiday pie along with pumpkin for Thanksgiving.
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I think pies in the UK are savoury more than sweet, and our sweet pies tend to be double-crust ones (and apple pies made with cooking apples). I actually prefer what we would tend to call tarts and Americans would call pies - especially custard tarts. Southern-style cream pies look delicious.

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Reminding readers that, in general:

US: pie=top crust
tart=open top
NA: pie= 4 inches or more in diameter
tart= 1-3 inches in diameter

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So many pies, so little time!

Favourite pies include but are not limited to:

Steak, mushroom and Guinness with chips
Beef and Stilton (with chips)

Rhubarb pie (without chips)
Lemon meringue pie (ditto)

More if I think of it

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Og, King of Bashan

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In response to John Holding:

None of the pies I listed have a top crust.

I am sure it varies from region to region, but I think that in the States, a pie is usually deeper than a tart, with sloped outside crust. A tart will be shallow, sometimes with a fluted crust. The tart is a little showier, the pie has no pretension about it.

But no matter what you call it, I'll eat it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Steak, mushroom and Guinness with chips
Beef and Stilton (with chips)

Hmm, that's just given me an idea. I wonder how stilton would hold up to being steamed in a suet crust with beef and beer. Now the cold weather is coming in, I might have to try that...
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quote:
Originally posted by Graven Image:
Around our house it is mincemeat,cranberry, apple pie. It came about one year when I was making a mincemeat pie and did not have enough mincemeat to fill the pie shell so I added some apples, and a handful of cranberries because they were sitting on the counter. Now it is our regular holiday pie along with pumpkin for Thanksgiving.

Oooh, that sounds good! Can I stop by on Thursday?

Pumpkin and good mincemeat pies are definitely my favorites. (Mincemeat in the U.S. and mincemeat in the U.K. are apparently not the same thing.)

Also... pumpkin pies are always pies, and they never have a top crust.

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Pie, wonderful pie!

Pumpkin, with whipped cream (or more decadently, ice cream) on top. Cherry, with a lattice top. Peach, mmmmmm..... Oh so many wonderful pies.

Lemon mereng pie doesn't have a top either, btw. Nor custard cream pie. Both delicious.

Shoofly pie, that scrumptious Amish treat. Also topless.

I just went and had a slice of sweet potato pie too. No top there.

But blueberry, and blackberry, with a light fluffy pastry top... oh yeah.

Pie. So many wonderful pies.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:

Steak, mushroom and Guinness with chips
Beef and Stilton (with chips)

Hmm, that's just given me an idea. I wonder how stilton would hold up to being steamed in a suet crust with beef and beer. Now the cold weather is coming in, I might have to try that...
That does sound good...
I was going to say beef and ale pie with a suet crust, with a custard tart for later.

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Pork Pie! Accept none but those with the "Melton Mowbray" protected designation of origin specifying where and how pies described thus can be made.

Failing that a good apple pie (with base and top, in the British fashion) made with shortcrust pastry. Ideally Mrs Sioni's shortcrust pastry.

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My favorite is Pecan pie. But it needs to be done correctly or it's just an unappealing, gloppy mess.

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The best apple pie I ever had was at a place called the Big Apple in Canada.

I like steak and kidney pie or homity pie (pastey crust filled with potato, onion and cheese). I had the most fantastic homity pie at the National Trust restaurant at Agatha Christie's house, Greenway. The portuon was huge and it was made with crushed new potatoes, cheese and grain mustard - delicious!

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Pork Pie! Accept none but those with the "Melton Mowbray" protected designation of origin specifying where and how pies described thus can be made.

Failing that a good apple pie (with base and top, in the British fashion) made with shortcrust pastry. Ideally Mrs Sioni's shortcrust pastry.

Pork AND apple is nicer still [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by art dunce:
My favorite is Pecan pie. But it needs to be done correctly or it's just an unappealing, gloppy mess.

For a number of years, my uncle brought something he called a "Texas Pecan Pie," which included a lot of chocolate and a top crust of some form. Which is just wrong. All you need is a pie crust, sugar, corn syrup, eggs, butter, vanilla, and pecans. Anything else ruins a perfectly simple and delicious treat.

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Leorning Cniht
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And just to introduce a whiff of sulphur, I'll consign to the other place the kind of infidel who takes some kind of stew, puts a bit of puff pastry on top and calls it "pie".
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Pulsator Organorum Ineptus
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A pie has to have pastry base, sides and top.

If it doesn't have pastry on top, it's a tart, or maybe a flan, but definitely not a pie.

If it only has pastry on top and not underneath and at the sides, there isn't a name for it and it belongs in the dustbin.

Steak and kidney gets my vote every time.

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Anyone else a fan of the movie "Waitress"? The main character coped with a difficult life and marriage by baking incredibly great pies with appropriate names like "I Can't Have No Affair Because It's Wrong & I Don't Want Earl to Kill Me Pie". (cinnamon custard) Here are recipes for five of them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pulsator Organorum Ineptus:
A pie has to have pastry base, sides and top.

If it doesn't have pastry on top, it's a tart, or maybe a flan, but definitely not a pie.

If it only has pastry on top and not underneath and at the sides, there isn't a name for it and it belongs in the dustbin.

Steak and kidney gets my vote every time.

A Teviot pie is lovely though. And it can be argued that a cobbler is a type of pie.

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quote:
Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
And just to introduce a whiff of sulphur, I'll consign to the other place the kind of infidel who takes some kind of stew, puts a bit of puff pastry on top and calls it "pie".

Like this? [Biased]

Well, it's not puff pastry at least.

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This Thanksgiving, I'm making a Provençal onion tart (using the Good Vermouth and everything) and, as always, pecan pie. It's part of my culture and heritage; pumpkin is something people feel compelled to eat because it's Tradition (never liked the stuff myself), but pecan is what you eat because Karo corn syrup is in your blood. Cherry's also nice, but pecan is Obligatory.

Other good pies at other times of year: peach and blackberry in season—though both make better cobblers*, quite frankly—strawberry rhubarb if you're in the mood (and in a part of the country where rhubarb pie takes the place of pecan). There's a pie shop with a few locations in the area that does a vanilla custard pie topped with locally made vanilla wafers coated in fudge—the cookie floats to the top to form a bit of a crumb crust, with a layer of fudge underneath, supported by the custard. It's not something to eat every day, but with a cup of Zeke's coffee and/or a Natty Boh, it's a nice treat.

Savory pies—SS, I fixed your quote for you:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Pork Pie! Accept none.

I think I've gone on enough rants about my opinion of rotted Spam in perfectly good pastry that people here know what I think of pork pies, protected origin or not. There are other savory pies—fish pies (one day, I'll try stargazy pie…), shepherd's pie topped with mashed potato, STF (sausage, tomato, fennel) pie, SMOG (steak, mushroom, onion, Gruyere) pie—and a whole world of handheld pasties, empanadas, and patties, filled with all manner of delicious things, that why anyone would settle for pork pies is beyond me.

*Cobblers are more common in places where peaches are usually grown; I'm not sure if there's a formal definition of the difference, other than one has the crust on top and is square-ish, the other has it on the sides and is round-ish, though I've heard some, usually from outside proper cobbler country, insist you should use a biscuit (US) dough for cobblers. Eh, my mom used the same dough for peach cobbler that she did for pecan pie, as did everybody else I know. Now that I think about it, though, I think cobblers have to be fruit-based; I've yet to hear of a chocolate or lemon chess cobbler, although chess pies and cobblers are both very Southern things.

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quote:
Originally posted by Graven Image:
Around our house it is mincemeat,cranberry, apple pie. It came about one year when I was making a mincemeat pie and did not have enough mincemeat to fill the pie shell so I added some apples, and a handful of cranberries because they were sitting on the counter. Now it is our regular holiday pie along with pumpkin for Thanksgiving

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quote:
Originally posted by Starbug:
The best apple pie I ever had was at a place called the Big Apple in Canada.

I like steak and kidney pie or homity pie (pastey crust filled with potato, onion and cheese). I had the most fantastic homity pie at the National Trust restaurant at Agatha Christie's house, Greenway. The portuon was huge and it was made with crushed new potatoes, cheese and grain mustard - delicious!

I live 40 km north of there currently, and used to live in that very village. I drove by the Big Apple every day on the way to work.

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Oh, yum! Pie!

Mince meat is my very, very favorite. I do enjoy a slice of pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving, however.

There are so many different varieties, and what a shame to not be able to indulge every day.

We used to pick wild blackberries that were almost the size of my thumbs. Those went into deep dish pie. (If you're going to make one, might as well make a big one.)

Rhubarb with homemade vanilla icecream, blueberry, peach, cherry...all good. Daughter-Unit makes fantastic cherry pies!

Mom used lard for the crust when I was young. There is nothing like lard crust for a mouth-watering pie.

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quote:
Originally posted by John Holding:
Reminding readers that, in general:

US: pie=top crust
tart=open top
NA: pie= 4 inches or more in diameter
tart= 1-3 inches in diameter

John

DAmn and blast. That first bit should have read:

UK: pie = top crust, tart=open top.

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quote:
Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
quote:
Originally posted by art dunce:
My favorite is Pecan pie. But it needs to be done correctly or it's just an unappealing, gloppy mess.

For a number of years, my uncle brought something he called a "Texas Pecan Pie," which included a lot of chocolate and a top crust of some form. Which is just wrong. All you need is a pie crust, sugar, corn syrup, eggs, butter, vanilla, and pecans. Anything else ruins a perfectly simple and delicious treat.
HEATHEN! BLASPHEMER! Chocolate makes all better.

One of my favourite on any side of any pond is Sweet Potato. The spices of pumpkin, but richer. When done correctly, it almost does not need chocolate.

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When I still ate sweetened pies, my very favourite was a raisin pie. When I was younger, coconut cream.

In my old age, I like savoury pies. Despite being a vegetarian, I have a proper pork pie in my freezer which I will cook before I leave. Tortiere! [Yipee]

Some quiches also turn my crank.

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I like a good pot pie but they're supposed to be just dreadful for one. Too much fat and cholesterol. My dear mother used to make homemade pot pie from odds and ends leftover from holiday meals... yum! It's funny, she made all sorts of pies when my sisters and I were growing up. She made or bought pumpkin pie but I never liked it then, thinking it looked "gross". When I lived in Seattle in the 1990's, my friend, Sr. Mary had me try pumpkin pie for the first time in my life and I was floored at how wonderful it tasted! Who knew a Catholic nun would get me hooked on pumpkin pie, but there it is. Real whipped cream is so much better than "Cool-Whip" on any pie. Mmmmmmmmm, pie!

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I can make grand pies if they just have a top crust. I have given up making proper pies as mine always suffer from soggy bottoms.

Anyway, less pastry makes them healthier! [Biased]

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Cobblers that I was brought up with (Kent, UK, Sussex background of mother) had fruit underneath and a crust made of scone dough (biscuit US) cut with the scone cutter and arranged on top. Not peaches, since we lacked them.
A memory is lurking of school dinners with a savoury (as in not sweet, not as in tasty) version with meaty chunks underneath - good for portion control if nothing else.
Do crumbles count as pies?

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If you like carbohydrates, nothing beats a macaroni cheese pie. Served with chips, of course.
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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
I can make grand pies if they just have a top crust. I have given up making proper pies as mine always suffer from soggy bottoms.

I bake the empty pie crust for about fifteen minutes before I put in the filling. It prevents sogginess.

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It's very hard to find anyone round these parts who makes proper pumpkin pie, or my favorite, butternut squash pie. I'm not a huge fan of most typically southern pies. I don't like pecan pie, chess pie leaves me cold and pies with calf-slobber, aka meringue, skeeve me out. I do like caramel pie, but it has to be slobber free or I just can't stomach it.

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
HEATHEN! BLASPHEMER! Chocolate makes all better.

I like a simple pie filling in a well made crust. I like to taste the different flavors melding together. If you add chocolate, your pallet just gets sledgehammered by the chocolate, and you can't taste anything else. Don't get me wrong, I like chocolate on its own, and a good chocolate chip cookie is a wonderful thing. But if you actually want to taste the pie, leave the chocolate for a post-nap snack.

[ 27. November 2013, 16:19: Message edited by: Og, King of Bashan ]

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For once, even I'm going to have to take the anti-chocolate on everything side. With anything, sure—a bit on the side is nice. And chocolate pecan pie is tasty; it's just not pecan pie. Now, my non-drinking family also insists that if you add bourbon to pecan pie it's either "bourbon pecan pie" or an abomination (a waste of good pie, ruined by nasty bourbon), but I prefer the woodsy, richer vanilla flavor of bourbon or dark rum to the assertive, fruity vanilla of, well, vanilla.

And BessHiggs, meringue, if made properly, is not "calf slobber." Made improperly (not enough sugar, not stiff enough, won't support a mound three feet high) or old, yes, it is watery. Made properly, it actually has texture (yes, really!) and, suddenly, makes sense. It took me a while to understand this myself…and a few disappointing pies after The Pie to understand why I used to not like meringue.

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  • Pie = short pastry surrounding filling (in other words sides, deep bottom & top)
  • Tart = shallow pastry top with "wet" sweet hot filling
  • Tart = deep pastry bottom with "solid" cold sweet filling
  • Flan = shallow pastry bottom with savoury filling (may also be called Quiche)
  • Flan = sponge base & sides with sweet filling
  • Pudding= suet pastry with hot filling

So a set custard tart will have a pastry bottom but a rhubarb tart will have a pastry top only. The reason for this is that some fruits produce so much liquid that a pastry bottom doesn't cook.

And before anyone argues the case and cites Tarte tatin the only reason this works is because it is actually cooked with the apples on the bottom and is only flipped the other way for serving. Theoretically you could make something similar with rhubarb but in practice the rhubarb so loses shape that you're left with a mess.

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quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
I can make grand pies if they just have a top crust. I have given up making proper pies as mine always suffer from soggy bottoms.

I bake the empty pie crust for about fifteen minutes before I put in the filling. It prevents sogginess.

Moo

Yes, I blind bake too, I have a jar of beans I keep for that purpose.

I also use a scone dough to make Cobbler, I was taught to make a meat one in cookery lessons at school.

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Ariel
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Scrap of conversation between two cooks overheard in a canteen many years ago:

"We've got lots of this spaghetti bolognaise sauce left over. What shall I do with it?"

The answer came back promptly: "Put it in a bowl, put a pastry topping over it and call it a pie."

While it's true you can put anything into a pie, some fillings work better than others...

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Scrap of conversation between two cooks overheard in a canteen many years ago:

"We've got lots of this spaghetti bolognaise sauce left over. What shall I do with it?"

The answer came back promptly: "Put it in a bowl, put a pastry topping over it and call it a pie."

While it's true you can put anything into a pie, some fillings work better than others...

Yum with a polenta or garlicky mashed potato topping though, or even garlic bread slices sprinked with grated cheese.

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Zach82
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I spent the day making pies for tomorrow. Pecan and pumpkin. Separately.

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I'm not a huge fan of pastry (except the odd mince-pie at Christmas). However, potato-topped pies are a different matter - D. makes the nicest shepherd's pie I've ever had. Technically it's usually cottage pie (made with minced beef) or occasionally moose-herd's pie (use your imagination [Big Grin] ), and much nicer than any we've ever had in even up-market restaurants.

A good fisherman's pie is also a thing of beauty (especially at Porter's Restaurant in Covent Garden in London), but it must have smoked haddock in there somewhere ...

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Steak and kidney pie! Mmmmmm. All day long.

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Firenze

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I'm definitely feeling a game pie coming on (by which I mean one with bits of rabbit and venison in, rather than one which puts up a fight when you eat it).
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When a farmer friend has some to spare he lets us have the odd bit of venison which, if its the right kind, gets cut small, casseroled and given a potato/celeriac/carrot top.

The children have christened it Bambi pie [Biased]

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ArachnidinElmet
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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
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The children have christened it Bambi pie [Biased]

My friend has a theory that the cuter the animal, the tastier the meat. [Smile]

We've got into the habit of making whatever leftovers are available from Christmas dinner into pie. Delicious, and changes year to year.

Otherwise pork pie (from my local cheesemongers is the best) or steak and ale. And a vote for Yorkshire Curd Tart for afters.

[ 28. November 2013, 14:00: Message edited by: ArachnidinElmet ]

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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
given a potato/celeriac/carrot top.

What do you do? Just mash 'em up together? I prefer vegetable toppings over pastry tbh.
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A really good shepherd's pie is a wonderful thing, especially on a winter's night.
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