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quetzalcoatl
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Surely, it's 'authentic' pizza that's posh. Its poshness is avowed by the theological fervour with which its authenticity is credalized by its adherents.

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I can't agree that authenticity == posh. Posh is so often artificial, overblown and created to impress through looks. Pizza Fundamentalists wouldn't describe themselves as posh, though their detractors might describe them as snobs.

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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
French bread or English muffin pizzas are great.

Thank you, dear. They are. It is best, in my experience, to toast the bread/ muffin slightly before applying the sauce, so as to prevent sogginess.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I can't agree that authenticity == posh. Posh is so often artificial, overblown and created to impress through looks. Pizza Fundamentalists wouldn't describe themselves as posh, though their detractors might describe them as snobs.

I have consulted my colleagues in the Conciliar Movement for Pizza Liberalization (CMPL), and they are happy to accept your formulation. However, this should not be taken as carte blanche - on no account should shredded lettuce be placed upon or adjacent to Liberal Pizzas. This goes beyond liberalization, and threatens anarchy.

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Thick slice of white bread, butter both sides. Smear one side with tomato purée straight from the tube. Top with slices of cheddar and fresh tomato. Bake til crispy. I lived on that when I was a student.
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Necessity is the mother of invention. We used Prego in a jar, though.

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quote:
Originally posted by mdijon:
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Originally posted by balaam:
But, but but..

Pizza must have tomato.

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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Right, but the olives that go into the olive oil are also technically fruit.

While both olives and tomatoes meet the botanical definition of fruit, neither meet the more intuitive and sensible definition. Namely that if you eat it with main course, it's a vegetable (especially if cooked), and if you eat it raw for desert, it's a fruit.

So olives and tomatoes are vegetables.

Grilled pineapple is the mark of a truly authentic pastor taco, which throws a bit of a wrench in your sensible definition.

While looking into this, I discovered that the Arkansas state legislature had wisely sidestepped the whole debate by naming the same heirloom tomato the state culinary vegetable and state botanical fruit. That seems to be a fine way to settle things.

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Og, King of Bashan

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Surely, it's 'authentic' pizza that's posh. Its poshness is avowed by the theological fervour with which its authenticity is credalized by its adherents.

Apparently Mario Batali has a reverse osmosis system in his New York pizza restaurant, so that he can remove all of the minerals from the water and add the appropriate salts to mimic Neapolitan water. While I appreciate that the minerals in the water actually do make a difference, I think we can all point to this as the level of authenticity that makes Pizza a bit too posh for its own good.

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quote:
Originally posted by mdijon:
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Originally posted by balaam:
But, but but..

Pizza must have tomato.

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Originally posted by Og, King of Bashan:
Right, but the olives that go into the olive oil are also technically fruit.

While both olives and tomatoes meet the botanical definition of fruit, neither meet the more intuitive and sensible definition. Namely that if you eat it with main course, it's a vegetable (especially if cooked), and if you eat it raw for desert, it's a fruit.

So olives and tomatoes are vegetables.

Oh and by the way Mrs Beaky, on the availability of good pizza in Kenya.... combine the availability of fresh sea food and a large Italian community in Malindi and what do you have?

I think South Africans with their bobotie and Moroccans and Tunisians with their dried-fruit-rich tagines would disagree heartily with you. As would anyone who enjoys apple sauce with roast pork. People eat fruit as part of a main course all the time.

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That bit is true, but they very rarely eat raw vegetables for desert.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I can't agree that authenticity == posh. Posh is so often artificial, overblown and created to impress through looks. Pizza Fundamentalists wouldn't describe themselves as posh, though their detractors might describe them as snobs.

There are no pizza fundamentalists more fervent or devoted than New York Pizza adherents. New York pizza is not posh. Not even on the same planet as posh.

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Pizza is certainly not "posh" here (we don't use the word but I know what you mean). It's fast food. It also seemed to be the national food of Norway or at least students in Norway when my daughter was there. Frozen, put in your oven variety.

Upthread, it was stated that your oven can't go hot enough. Not sure what you think is hot enough. I make bread, pitas, pretzels and other similar products. My convection oven goes to 650°F (we use F for baking, as well as cups and ounces).

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Well that was an interesting deviance from First Evening Pizza Syndrome (strictly, it's our second, but we arrived c 11 pm yesterday) so we were in that slightly disorientated and not hugely hungry state in which a smallish pizza seems like the answer. We even got the length of being seated in a pizzeria - when I looked at the large, and rather doughy items on the plates of the people at the next table and decided it was all too much. We actually ended up at the (Holy Hand Grenade of) Antioch restaurant, having a simple kebab and a perfectly splendid Coteaux d'Aix.

I'm slightly sorry not to have the chance to sample the local variant, because this far south in France the cuisine is beginning to creep towards Italy, and, as I remember from Nice and Genoa, there are some interesting pizzaoid fusions.

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Oooh! I think I'll go make some Marmite on toast....

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quote:
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Pizza is certainly not "posh" here (we don't use the word but I know what you mean). It's fast food. It also seemed to be the national food of Norway or at least students in Norway when my daughter was there. Frozen, put in your oven variety.

Upthread, it was stated that your oven can't go hot enough. Not sure what you think is hot enough. I make bread, pitas, pretzels and other similar products. My convection oven goes to 650°F (we use F for baking, as well as cups and ounces).

Yep, nowhere near hot enough for pizza. Pizza ovens are as hot as or hotter than commercial bread ovens.

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Wow, I never knew that. I thought pizza ovens were just designed differently to allow more even baking, or something.

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quote:
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Preschool teacher special-- half a (forgive me) English muffin (sort of crumpety) dollop of prepared marinara sauce, shredded mozzarella-- mini pizzas!
Don't knock them till you've tried them.

This is true, although I go for the usual cheese-onion-tomato combo.

I'm beginning to wish I hadn't started this thread. I spent an hour this evening walking round Oxford trying to find somewhere that sold pizza by the slice. There was only one place, and their pizza slices all had salami on, which I didn't want.

I might have to get a packet of muffins tomorrow and make that my treat for the weekend.

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One can make pizza in a lower temp oven, but the result is not the same. 750F to 800F (400C to 425C) is the typical wood-fired pizza oven range.
More than you wanted to know.

BTW, anyone who equates pizza with "cheese on toast" does not deserve to eat either.* [Disappointed]


*for the benefit of the hosts and humour impaired, this is cheek, not an insult.

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Kelly Alves

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This is true, although I go for the usual cheese-onion-tomato combo...

I might have to get a packet of muffins tomorrow and make that my treat for the weekend.

That sounds yummy!

I like "stuff" on my pizza, but sometimes you just yearn for something simple. right?

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Yep. Sometimes <purists should look away now> it just needs to be a toasted muffin with spreadable cheese.
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..or toast.

Especially sourdough toast.

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Serious Eats has a comprehensive pizza section. Lots of recipes and pizza geekery as well as reviews (of both serious and mass-produced pizza).

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quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Serious Eats has a comprehensive pizza section. Lots of recipes and pizza geekery as well as reviews (of both serious and mass-produced pizza).

Nice!

I particularly liked this. The New England Greek style looks to die for.

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quote:
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Serious Eats has a comprehensive pizza section. Lots of recipes and pizza geekery as well as reviews (of both serious and mass-produced pizza).

Marmite in pizza? [Projectile] [Projectile] [Projectile] [Projectile] [Projectile] [Projectile] [Projectile] [Projectile]

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Some random observations:

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I had to look up arugula. The internet says we know it as rocket. In case anyone on this side of the Atlantic is wondering.

They are two different plants here. Rocket (Eruca Sativa), with rounded, slightly cressy-looking leaves - which I hate. Arugula, (Diplotaxis tenuifolia), also called wild rocket by some people, with more toothy mizuna-looking leaves, which I love. Both peppery but qualitatively different.

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:

The perfect pizza (for me) hasn't quite happened yet in my oven.

No, it wouldn't. Your oven isn't hot enough, and whilst pizza stones help, they're not perfect.

If you have a pizza stone and a gas barbecue with a hood you can do a pretty decent pizza on the bbq. Set the pizza stone over the grate part and let everything get stupid-hot. Make your pizza on a piece of tinfoil on a chopping board, then slide it off the chopping board onto the pizza stone, put hte hood down, and apply aloe vera to the burnt-feeling places on your forearms and face... pizza takes only a few minutes and produces a nice result.


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Actually, the soapy taste (or not) is genetic. I'm guessing your Dad also didn't taste soap.

I've heard that too—but also that you can acquire the taste for the stuff.
I am one who has gone from loathing coriander/cilantro and being able to detect the tiniest hint of it in a meal to one who loves it and can eat handfuls of the stuff. And yes, it tastes a lot less soapy than it did. Hasn't happened with mushrooms, unfortunately. Nor guavas. As I sit writing this, my [diary-allergic] son is working his way through a bowl of guava and coconut milk sorbet and even though I'm in a different room the smell is making me gaggy...

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quote:
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I'm in a different room the smell is making me gaggy...

Egg, boiled, fried or baked does this to me. My father would tell me that it was all in my head. My reply was "Yes, as that is where my taste-buds are."

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Ah but guava has a very strong smell. It is capable of stopping me in my tracks when passing a market where there is guava among the other fruit on a stall.

No I do not hate it, quite the opposite. However if you hate it I can well believe you can smell it at a distance you would not expect to smell other foods.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
Serious Eats has a comprehensive pizza section. Lots of recipes and pizza geekery as well as reviews (of both serious and mass-produced pizza).

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Doesn't sound that bad to me! But SE isn't endorsing it anyway, it's just in the pizza news section.

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Best pizza ever was the pizza cappriciosa at Est! Est! Est! in Rome, which I used to get growing up. The usual single serving size, tomato sauce, prosciutto & mozzarella. Then a ring of mussels (in the shells) surrounding an egg. Purest pizza heaven.

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