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Gamaliel
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My name is Jengie Jon and I am Reformed.

In fact, I am so Reformed that I am the most Reformed person in the entire world. Tomorrow I will be even more Reformed and even more insufferable than I am today. Semper Reformanda!

You see, I know everything there is to know about being Reformed because I invented it. Yes, difficult to believe isn't it? But I'm actually hundreds of years old and I happened to write Calvin's Institutes for him.

Yes, that's right. He came to me in Geneva and said, 'Oh great and wise Jengie, you who know everything there is to know about theology and the ways of God, can you help me with this manuscript I'm writing?'
'Certainly, Jean,' I said, I called him Jean you see. 'What's it about?'
'It's called Institutes of the Christian Religion and sets out the great truths of salvation, life the universe and everything.'
'Easy-peasy, just hand it over to me Jean and save yourself the trouble. I'll ghost-write it for you and hand it back to you by lunchtime tomorrow.'
'Merci, Jengie,' he said. 'You're a real star!'

So, I set to work and it didn't take me very long. Simples. You see, my father is the greatest theologian who has ever lived. I learned so much from him. That's how I was able to write the Institutes so quickly, because I knew it all already.

Of course, my father was never as Reformed as I was. Nowhere near. That would be completely impossible.

I'm so Reformed that I'll be more Reformed by this afternoon than I am now. In fact I'm so Reformed I'll be even more Reformed by the time I've finished typing this.

And I'm certainly more Reformed than anyone else on the Ship. None of you who claim to be Reformed or even reformed are anywhere near as Reformed as me.

Take these Anglicans who consider themselves to be Reformed ... pah! They don't know the meaning of the word.

And thanks to my infallible gift of second-sight I am able to discern and assume which Shipmates have actually read any Baxter without bothering to even ask them to find out. I'm sure Chris Stiles and Gamaliel haven't read a whiff of him ...

Oh yes, I'm proud to be Reformed. I'm proud to know exceedingly, abundantly and far in excess beyond anything else that others might say on the subject.

I'm so Reformed that I change my own body shape daily. Yesterday I amputated my hands and feet and swapped them over so that my left foot was on my right wrist and vice-versa. Same with the other hand and foot. But that's not going far enough. I'll reform and transform my shape even more so that I'll vivisect a copy of 'The Saints' Everlasting Rest' onto my elbow.

I'll even remove my head and place it onto my backside so I can talk down to the rest of you unreformed types in the way you deserve ...

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Jengie jon

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Gamaliel

If you would realise my point was accuracy of reading a particular author who is a wrongly read by Reformed as others. So, no I am not playing the Reformed card here; I am playing the card I have read this guy, and he does not say what is being implied in this thread.

There is no natural link between Richard Baxters family catechism classes and modern pastoral care to the sick and the housebound. The pastor visiting his members in times of trouble is not the teaching elder summoning members to his house to receive individual instruction. That goes in every tradition whether that is Reformed, Anglican, or Roman Catholic. Yes I had been told what Baxter said as a Reformed Christian but when I read it I found it was significantly different. It is part of the reason I posted that.

That is what I meant, and that is what I am responding to.

Jengie

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Sometimes a piece of straw bears little resemblence to the metric shit ton of stuff (placed on the camel) that came before.

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Links would be helpful.

Well, they might not be edifying, but for those who decide they WANT to know what the blazes this is about, they'd be helpful.

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fletcher christian

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It's an old story; JJ sometimes reads 'reformed' as 'Reformed'. I've done the same thing on threads where I've engaged - an honest mistake I think rather than an alternative implied intention.

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Gamaliel
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My Hellish point is broader than the incident to which Jengie refers.

The flash-point was in Purgatory in the Lay Knowledge of the CofE thread where Jengie dotted the i's and crossed the t's for Chris Stiles and myself following a fairly off-the-cuff remark about household visitation by visitors.

I'm too bone idle to supply a link but there we go ...

[Razz]

Chris Stiles made the point that household visitation can be seen as part and parcel of the job by some clergy and that Baxter regarded it as such. Sure, the context was a discussion about visits to the elderly and house-bound and home-communion and so on ... but I don't see any implication in what Chris or I posted that suggested that Baxter was doing anything other than what he was doing ...

Yes, he was catechising people and that's clear from his writings, including his autobiography which is what I had in mind.

So, yes, Jengie was right. That's not what I was disputing.

I often look to Jengie's posts for informed comment on Reformed issues and I do bow to her superior wisdom in that regard ... she's knows a heck of a lot more about the Reformed tradition than the rest of us no doubt.

That doesn't stop me winding her up for her prissy and know-it-all tone though.

That's the point. Not what she said but the way she said it.

Sure, sometimes it's right to dot i's and cross-t's and introduce points of information. Fair enough.

But there are ways of doing that without assuming that other posters are completely pig-ignorant and haven't read any of the material in question.

Hence the Hell-call.

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Gamaliel
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Absolutely, Fletcher. I couldn't agree more.

As it happens, I enjoy Jengie's posts. I like reading what she has to say. She talks sense.

What I don't like is this whole schtick of, 'I know better than everyone else because I'm more Reformed than they are and even the reformed aren't properly reformed and my Dad's bigger than your Dad and is the cleverest man who ever existed ...' which sticks in my craw.

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orfeo

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I'm too bone idle to supply a link but there we go ...

[Razz]


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I don't care how bone idle you are. Go and try it out in the practice thread in Styx if you have to, but learn how to make links so that people can follow what you're talking about. Then come back here and make a link.

And the next time a Host signs a post as a Host, don't throw a smiley at them and try and act cute about it.

Hell-Host Hat Off

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
But there are ways of doing that without assuming that other posters are completely pig-ignorant and haven't read any of the material in question.

I wonder if anything you are doing now is going to make her think she got that wrong?

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As a newcomer and almost complete illiterate theologically, I enjoy reading Jengie's posts. She's a heavyweight intellectually and theologically. I detect here a smidgeon of contempt that a mere gal can out-theologize the boys.
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I hate to nit-pick but I think it is spelt gel* - or it was in my day, a long time ago now.

*not to be confused with the gooey stuff some people put on their hair...

...or is that moose?

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Francophile
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal
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Gamaliel
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Nowt to do with gender. Jengie knows her stuff. I'm cool with that. As it happens she was completely on the button about Baxter. It's clear from his autobiography that he didn't go round to people's homes but invited them around to his so he could catechise them.

So she's right once again ...

How do I know? I just looked it up in my copy of his autobiography. Unlike Jengie I don't have a photographic memory of every single thing I've read in my life.

Which is different to not ever having read it at all ... but then Jengie was referring to The Reformed Pastor and yes, I admit, I haven't actually read that.

This thread isn't about sour grapes though, I'm more than happy to admit when I'm wrong. Just as I'm happy to admit that I can't find the practice section on that practice thread in Styx ...

All I can see are comments from various Shipmates and I can't make head nor tail of it.

IT isn't my strong point. I admit it.

If some Host wants to kick me in the balls over that, then fair enough ... but I'd appreciate being pointed in the right direction of the playpen/practice area ... I've never bothered mastering the UBB coding and all that malarkey in all the years I've posted aboard Ship.

Throw me overboard if you like. Make me walk the plank ... but first let me find the relevant section and playpen/practice area and I promise I'll have a meck about and come back and provide a link when I've done so ...

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Francophile
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I enjoy your posts, gambo. You're a heavyweight too.
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You mean this one? Literally the third or fourth thread in Styx right now...

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orfeo

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So let's see. You've started a Hell thread on something. You now acknowledge that you were wrong.

I propose we close the thread then. Any objections?

As for all that malarkey you've never bothered learning, I suggest it's time you did. For starters, open up a reply window. Stare at the bloody buttons that have been there for years and years. The ones that say things like 'URL' and 'BOLD' and 'QUOTE' and that are designed to make it incredibly bloody easy for you. Press buttons and see what happens.

And then notice that below them is a link saying "UBB code? What's that then?" You might try reading it.

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Marvin the Martian

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
IT isn't my strong point. I admit it.

Is anything?

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Boogie

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
... but I'd appreciate being pointed in the right direction of the playpen/practice area ... I've never bothered mastering the UBB coding and all that malarkey in all the years I've posted aboard Ship.

Copy the website/link address (Ctrl C)
Click 'URL'
Paste the website/link in the box provided(Ctrl V)
Click return/enter
Write whatever you want the link to say
Click return/enter

Easy as blinking [Biased]

Practice it here Thread started in 2005!

[ 10. December 2013, 10:50: Message edited by: Boogie ]

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When you're trying to link to a particular SoF post in a thread, if you click on the little rectangle above the line on the post you want (first item on the left of the line), it re-draws the page with that post on the top - then all you have to do is copy (Ctrl-C) the information in the address bar of your browser - it will start with "forum.ship-of-fools".

If you are quoting from a different thread from the one you're posting on, it's easiest have both threads open in different tabs or windows.

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Gamaliel
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Ok - let's see if this works. Here's the thread I was referring to:

http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=018478;p=5#000246

As for farting about with the 'bold' and 'quotes' functions and so on, I'll do that at some point when I next have need.

Sure, I've ignored them for years so it's about time I started using them and that's what I'll try to do. I know it wouldn't be complicated, even for me, but I've just never been arsed to get round to it. Like lots of other things.

Meanwhile, should the thread be closed?

Up to you, Orfeo, but I'm happy to leave it open so I can rant at Jengie Jon for being such a Goody-Two-Shoes and bloody well right all the time ...

I'm sure anyone deserves a Hell-call if they're infallible. Heck, if Pope Francis were on-board he'd deserve one too ...

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Gamaliel, have you really made 8200 posts (and typed who knows how many words [Biased] ) on SoF without getting to grips with the quote function? That's impressive... [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by South Coast Kevin:
Gamaliel, have you really made 8200 posts (and typed who knows how many words [Biased] ) on SoF without getting to grips with the quote function? That's impressive... [Big Grin]

It's not just impressive, it's odd as well. You would think that somebody so averse to putting any substance in their posts would normally be quite happy to dress them up with good formatting.

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Marvin the Martian

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Up to you, Orfeo, but I'm happy to leave it open so I can rant at Jengie Jon for being such a Goody-Two-Shoes and bloody well right all the time ...

Or you could spend the same amount of time dealing with the multiplicity of psychological flaws that are compelling you to do so.

Nah.

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Gamaliel
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[Biased] Aw, shucks ...

I'm pretty dysfunctional in other aspects of life, so I can't see why I should act any differently in here.

So, contra Marvin the Martian, there is something I'm good at and take a pride in ... my own ineptitude!

I will get to grips with the bold and quotes functions, if only to add some weight to my inconsequential and flimsy posts.

Whatever the case, Jengie Jon is still perfect and knows everything and deserves to be called to Hell for that very reason.

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Oh fuck off Gamaliel. Go be irate about something worth being irate about.

[ 10. December 2013, 13:32: Message edited by: Evensong ]

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Gamaliel
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Fair enough. I'll get irate about people like you. Jengie Jon may unwittingly irritate me at times but she's not a first class pain in the arse like you are on whatever subject you're bloviating about.

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Comes from excessive verbal/linguistic intelligence. I just can't help it. It's innate.

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But don't stress too much. Most of Hell is full of small minds and little lives at the moment.

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Gamaliel
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Excessive verbal flatulence, you mean Evensmog. I can smell your farts from here.

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Gama, stop making me want to stand up for Evenshit. It's putting me off my dinner.

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quote:
Originally posted by Francophile:
As a newcomer and almost complete illiterate theologically, I enjoy reading Jengie's posts. She's a heavyweight intellectually and theologically. I detect here a smidgeon of contempt that a mere gal can out-theologize the boys.

It really does not further the cause of equality between the sexes to attribute any disagreement a man has with a woman to sexism.

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quote:
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[Biased] Aw, shucks ...

I'm pretty dysfunctional in other aspects of life, so I can't see why I should act any differently in here.

That's Cheshire for you. Onyx bathrooms, shell suits and brains that don't work very well.

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Gamaliel
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Wrong part of Cheshire. Indeed, wrong as usual.

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quote:
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Wrong part of Cheshire.

The sad part though is that the bit of Cheshire I was describing is the best bit. Where you aren't.

Still, I suppose the footballers will be grateful you are somewhere else devaluing property instead of where they are.

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I thought insects ate shit, Marvin.

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I wouldn't want to be where the footballers are. They are as thick as you are, Deano. No, that can't be right ... they're probably more articulate.

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Wouldn't a walk to town for cake and coffee in a nice cafe make you feel a lot better than going down in flames on your own hell thread, Gamaliel?

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel
I've never bothered mastering the UBB coding and all that malarkey in all the years I've posted aboard Ship.

We've noticed.

Funny, but I always thought that this idiosyncrasy was a gesture of ... how shall I put it?... aristocratic self-indulgence that disdained following the proper procedures, in order to feel exempt from the normal rules of engagement and etiquette that only apply to the riffraff. A bit like refusing to wear a seat belt or indicating at junctions, practices with which only "the little people" need comply. A quietly bloody-minded and supercilious act of hubris. A small symbolic - even poetic - assertion of one's own sense of entitlement.

It never once occurred to me that you were just bloody crap at IT!

How prosaic.

I'm disappointed... [Disappointed]

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Can a hostly post be called to Hell or does that get one planked? Still trying to sort all of this Hell and Styx stuff out.
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quote:
Originally posted by Caissa:
Can a hostly post be called to Hell or does that get one planked? Still trying to sort all of this Hell and Styx stuff out.

Hostly Informative

It probably isn't a great idea but it can be done (if you're brave).

Did the host post officially, ie with the hostly trappings or in "plain clothes" as a shipmate?

If any of the hostly trappings, eg, the wearing of hostly headgear, or a tagline like "Joe Stoat, Hell host" appears, then it's a Hosting post and can only be taken up in The Styx (if at all). Only if no hosting id. appears can you take it up in Hell.

(You might want to PM a host.)

Hope that helps.

/Hostly Informative

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[ 10. December 2013, 17:20: Message edited by: Sioni Sais ]

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Thanks, Sioni Sais. That was very clear.
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Sorry to disappoint you, EE. But as I tend to the view that most things are both/and rather than either/or then you were probably right to an extent with your first assumption ...

There is a strain of disdain alongside being crap at IT.

Hope that makes you feel better ... [Big Grin]

I do tend to shoot myself in the foot in my Hell-threads, Zach82. It's part of the irony. Not that I'd expect you to understand that ... IT has never been my strong point, irony has never been yours.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I do tend to shoot myself in the foot in my Hell-threads

And yet... Proverbs 26:11.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I do tend to shoot myself in the foot in my Hell-threads, Zach82. It's part of the irony. Not that I'd expect you to understand that ... IT has never been my strong point, irony has never been yours.

You think there is something ironic about getting wound up by your own trolling, picking fights with hosts, and then snapping at people who gently suggest you take a break?

[ 11. December 2013, 12:55: Message edited by: Zach82 ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I do tend to shoot myself in the foot in my Hell-threads, Zach82. It's part of the irony. Not that I'd expect you to understand that ... IT has never been my strong point, irony has never been yours.

There's nothing ironic about it. It's lame.

With the result that Jengie Jon looks even classier than she already was. [Cool]

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Fair calls. If it's lame it's because I've shot myself in the foot whilst returning to my own vomit.

But if trying to polish a turd in here has added an extra lustre to Jengie Jon's reputation then I'm quite prepared to take the rap.

The woman is a class act. No doubt about that.

But she's like Julie Andrews. The Sound of Music was the one film I've seen where I've wanted the Germans to win ...

Perhaps it's just me. But I can't be the only person who's irritated because Little Miss Jengie is right all the freakin' time ...

[Frown]

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It's likely just you.

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I know different ... [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Nowt to do with gender. Jengie knows her stuff. I'm cool with that. As it happens she was completely on the button about Baxter.It's clear from his autobiography that he didn't go round to people's homes but invited them around to his so he could catechise them.

So she's right once again ...

So apologise. The way to do this is to say something like, 'Hey Jengie, you were right and I was wrong, sorry for calling you out like that. And also I'm sorry for my unnecessarily snarky tone, which was quite unwarranted'

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
How do I know? I just looked it up in my copy of his autobiography. Unlike Jengie I don't have a photographic memory of every single thing I've read in my life.

Stop trying to justify yourself and apologise. Without continuing to be snarky. Because that makes the apology (and the humility) fake.

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
Which is different to not ever having read it at all ... but then Jengie was referring to The Reformed Pastor and yes, I admit, I haven't actually read that.

Wrong again, then...

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
This thread isn't about sour grapes though,

You could have fooled me.

quote:
Originally posted by Gamaliel:
I'm more than happy to admit when I'm wrong.

You need to find a better way of doing it. Perhaps there can be a practice thread for that which you can not find, also...

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Anoesis, this is Hell, not Purgatory. Quit your self-righteous lecture and sod off.

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