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Firenze

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Four people generate 3 times as much washing up as 2 people, 6 people 10 times. Meals of 2, 3 and 4 courses will similarly generate exponential requirements both for raw materials, time to prep same, and debris to be cleared up afterwards.

And that's just one meal. Christmas is supposed to be this rolling feast, going on for days.

I have the most modest of social calendars for the upcoming week, but even so I seem to have spent/ will spend an inordinate amount of time planning, shopping and cooking. You can't, with guests, just do as you would with your nearest and dearest - point them in the general direction of the kitchen and leave them to forage.

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ken
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quote:
Originally posted by QLib:
There's an Anglo-Saxon poem called "The Dream of the Rood" which is ostensibly Christian. The tree is cut down to be used as a cross, and the warrior (Christ/Odin - a certain ambivalence there, to my mind) ascends it to meet his death. The tree is later glorified. Well, i think it pre-figures the Christmas tree, but my Anglo-Saxon tutor said that was a mis-reading.


I think The Dream of the Rood is a lot more than "ostensibly" Christian. Bloody good poem as well.


But, as I didn't realise till Greenbelt headlined it a couple of years ago, the Tree of Life is most certainly a Christian and Biblical symbol. Going all the way back to Eden of course. But also references in the prophets, especially Ezekiel. And in the Revelation in the NT. And of course there is Jesus "I am the vine" and Paul talking about grafting.

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M.
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Dormouse said:
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Mr D likes "The Simpsons" but he has eschewed watching it at the moment because of the cringingly awful sponsorship clip beforehand
Why doesn't he turn the sound down?

According to Firenze:
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You can't, with guests, just do as you would with your nearest and dearest - point them in the general direction of the kitchen and leave them to forage.
But that's nothing to do with Christmas, that's to do with having guests.

I can't honestly find much sympathy in myself for people that buy into what adverts tell them.

For the record, as everyone else seems to be reporting their Christmas menus, we're making beef wellington* and will have it with roast potatoes (can you really buy frozen roast potatoes? What a strange idea), micro-Brussels from the garden (my brussel sprouts never grow properly), leeks, cauliflower and white sauce, followed by the Christmas pud that I made a couple of years ago. Haven't decided between brandy butter or custard yet.

M.

* I confess we will use ready made puff pastry

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Tubbs

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quote:
Originally posted by M.:
Dormouse said:
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Mr D likes "The Simpsons" but he has eschewed watching it at the moment because of the cringingly awful sponsorship clip beforehand
Why doesn't he turn the sound down?

According to Firenze:
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You can't, with guests, just do as you would with your nearest and dearest - point them in the general direction of the kitchen and leave them to forage.
But that's nothing to do with Christmas, that's to do with having guests.

I can't honestly find much sympathy in myself for people that buy into what adverts tell them.

For the record, as everyone else seems to be reporting their Christmas menus, we're making beef wellington* and will have it with roast potatoes (can you really buy frozen roast potatoes? What a strange idea), micro-Brussels from the garden (my brussel sprouts never grow properly), leeks, cauliflower and white sauce, followed by the Christmas pud that I made a couple of years ago. Haven't decided between brandy butter or custard yet.

M.

* I confess we will use ready made puff pastry

We're having whatever my dad decides he wants to cook as we're going there. If we're at home, we're likely to have roast lamb with roast potatoes and veg. If you're going to have a "special" dinner, it may as well be something you like and no one in the family likes turkey.

We cook from scratch most days so it's less of a stretch. But, I can see Frienze's point that if you don't usually, being expected to suddenly produce prefection on a plate is yet another stress. The whole cookery thing annoys me - years of ready meals and tv chefs have completely deskilled a generation of people and turned cooking into A Big Deal.

Tubbs

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deano
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Surely Christmas only raises expectations amongst two groups of people...

1) Children - in what the expect to get
2) Pretentious tossers - who feel the need to get everything "perfect" so they can show off

The first group isn't easy, expecially with peer pressure and not wanting your children to appear left out. But nobody said being a parent was an easy job and sometimes tough calls do have to be made. We've all had to do it.

The second group can shove their hand-made tinsel up their arses. Christmas dinner is just a Sunday dinner with pigs-in-blankets as far as I'm concerned, and if people want to look down on me because we don't have a bronze, corn-fed turkey who iss bathed in asses milk daily and has its own personal trainer, then fuck them. They won't be sharing my table anyway.

The expectation - as adults - is whatever we set it as, and if we set it so high we are unable to enjoy it then that is our own stupidity.

I don't have an answer on the expectations of children, except to make sure that there is always something unbought! They'll always have a birthday coming up, so it can be something to look forward to then.

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Surely Christmas only raises expectations amongst two groups of people...

1) Children - in what the expect to get
2) Pretentious tossers - who feel the need to get everything "perfect" so they can show off

The first group isn't easy, expecially with peer pressure and not wanting your children to appear left out. But nobody said being a parent was an easy job and sometimes tough calls do have to be made. We've all had to do it.

The second group can shove their hand-made tinsel up their arses. Christmas dinner is just a Sunday dinner with pigs-in-blankets as far as I'm concerned, and if people want to look down on me because we don't have a bronze, corn-fed turkey who iss bathed in asses milk daily and has its own personal trainer, then fuck them. They won't be sharing my table anyway.

The expectation - as adults - is whatever we set it as, and if we set it so high we are unable to enjoy it then that is our own stupidity.

I don't have an answer on the expectations of children, except to make sure that there is always something unbought! They'll always have a birthday coming up, so it can be something to look forward to then.

Brilliant common sense Deano.
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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by M.:

According to Firenze:
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You can't, with guests, just do as you would with your nearest and dearest - point them in the general direction of the kitchen and leave them to forage.
But that's nothing to do with Christmas, that's to do with having guests.

But the peculiarity of Christmas is that you are obliged to have guests - and not necessarily the ones you would chose.
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Tubbs

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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by M.:

According to Firenze:
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You can't, with guests, just do as you would with your nearest and dearest - point them in the general direction of the kitchen and leave them to forage.
But that's nothing to do with Christmas, that's to do with having guests.

But the peculiarity of Christmas is that you are obliged to have guests - and not necessarily the ones you would chose.
Missed that memo. [Biased]

What's worrying is that I agreed with Deano. [Big Grin] Either the apoloyspe is neigh or I need a lie down.

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Obliged to have guests? Bloody hell, is that correct? Stone me, I've lived nearly 70 years without realizing that - I suppose that's why Auntie Elspeth used to look daggers at me when I gave her her annual box of Maltesers, she wanted an invite!

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Reply to Tubbs,
Well, yes, deano has made a few sensible posts lately. Here in Hell, no less.
But whilst he does make some sense with this post, I do not 100% agree with it. CK's OP was intended to be about the vulnerable. People who might have more difficulty taking responsibility and separating themselves from imposed expectations.
Doublethink has offered the only true rebuttal to this, BTW. Her experience with the vulnerable shows that, at least some, welcome the holiday hype. Indeed, there are studies that, at least tangentially, support this.
I do agree the rest of us adults should manage ourselves better, decide our own behaviour.
However, years of research (adverts) shows we don't.
To summarise: Though deano's post mostly makes sense; there is wiggle room. Therefore the apocalypse is not quite nigh, but someone is starting to pencil in possible dates.

[ 19. December 2013, 15:11: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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Ha!

It's not me that's changing... it's you lot who are slowly coming over to the dark side... [Devil]

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Tubbs

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Ha!

It's not me that's changing... it's you lot who are slowly coming over to the dark side... [Devil]

And there was me thinking we were having a good influence on you [Razz]

Tubbs

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deano
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Ha!

It's not me that's changing... it's you lot who are slowly coming over to the dark side... [Devil]

And there was me thinking we were having a good influence on you [Razz]

Tubbs

Sorry I haven't replied earlier. I needed to get a minimum-wager to wash my cars (roll on next month when I can get a cheap Rumanian to do it), then I watched some porn whilst having a veal and fois gras sandwich with a few bankers.

Yes, what you're thinking might be possible Tubbs, I suppose. What are the odds do you reckon?

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Spike

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
... then I watched some porn whilst having a veal and fois gras sandwich with a few bankers.

I've never had that combination. What did the bankers taste like?

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Firenze

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Obliged to have guests? Bloody hell, is that correct? Stone me, I've lived nearly 70 years without realizing that - I suppose that's why Auntie Elspeth used to look daggers at me when I gave her her annual box of Maltesers, she wanted an invite!

Congrats for successfully fending off your kith and kin for the last three score and ten. And yes, Elspeth was expecting a solicitation to mulled wine and nibbles chez Quetzalcoatl at the very least.
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We are guest-free at Christmas. We will slob around in our PJs till it's time for church, then have a mid afternoon/ late afternoon/ who cares when dinner - a cold joint of gammon, studded with cloves and glazed with something delicious, and masses of roast veg. We buy the gammon ready -prepared from the butcher so it's no hassle, and we're dab hands at preparing veg.

We used to go to my parents, but Mum always wanted "the perfect family Christmas" and the effort to be perfect just resulted in tension headaches. We can't have my parents here, because Mum wouldn't be able to cope with our low standards.

It will be a lovely day - give the North East family some new books, an open box of chocolate gingers, and an endless supply of tea / coffee, plus a nice walk to and from church and the service itself, and we're happy.

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deano
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quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
... then I watched some porn whilst having a veal and fois gras sandwich with a few bankers.

I've never had that combination. What did the bankers taste like?
Piquant, Spike, very piquant.

I really do need to improve my grammar. I was away when we did it at school and I forgot to borrow somebody elses book to write up the notes from. My punctuations fine though.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
Either the apoloyspe is neigh

Well, there are supposed to be four horsemen...

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Kelly Alves

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So I see the subject is turning to egg nog.

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Tubbs

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quote:
Originally posted by deano:
quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by deano:
Ha!

It's not me that's changing... it's you lot who are slowly coming over to the dark side... [Devil]

And there was me thinking we were having a good influence on you [Razz]

Tubbs

Sorry I haven't replied earlier. I needed to get a minimum-wager to wash my cars (roll on next month when I can get a cheap Rumanian to do it), then I watched some porn whilst having a veal and fois gras sandwich with a few bankers.

Yes, what you're thinking might be possible Tubbs, I suppose. What are the odds do you reckon?

Maybe not so much. [Biased]

Tubbs

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Marvin the Martian

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
So I see the subject is turning to egg nog.

Not for me thanks, I quite dislike vomiting during major festivals.

The alcohol's fine, of course. It's the egg bit I don't get on well with.

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
We are guest-free at Christmas. We will slob around in our PJs till it's time for church, then have a mid afternoon/ late afternoon/ who cares when dinner...

I know this is Hell but it sounds heavenly to me.

quote:
...We can't have my parents here, because Mum wouldn't be able to cope with our low standards.
[Overused] That'll preach!

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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
So I see the subject is turning to egg nog.

Not for me thanks, I quite dislike vomiting during major festivals.

The alcohol's fine, of course. It's the egg bit I don't get on well with.

Don't knock it, we need some Hellish content on this thread. It's getting way too cosy.

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Kelly Alves

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Well my admittedly softly state point was this-- the sudden uprise in crazy-ass spelling/ punctuation/ general coherence issues on this thread made me wonder if some of us have been using the brandy for something more than soaking our cherries in.

Go ahead and make that a euphemism, dear reader, if that is the sort of person you are.

Back to Christmas-- out of school, out of work, down to the last couple hundred bucks on my last financial aid check, both credit cards maxed out, 52K in debt, and my gift stash this year was made possible by a plow through my stored wedding gifts and a trip to the Dollar Store. The Nephs and the Neez are going to actively hate me, my presents suck so hard. Boy do I intend to make up for it next year. But this year, every time I a Santa song I want to assault rifle that son of a bitch with his show-stealing, 1%-er, Bag of Infinite Holding- carrying ass. Kick down so I can get some cool presents for the kids, you ermine-trimmed asshole!

Humbug. See also: Bah.

Also-- I heard a re-master of that fucking stupid Paul McCartney Christmas song-- with several guest artists. Everyone involved in that abomination deserves season tickets in Hell. One version of it is bad enough.

[ 21. December 2013, 03:54: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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I just holiday-spirited myself into a tummy ache.

what else do you do with leftover cookie frosting?

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You frost cookies? [Eek!]

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only the shaped sugar cookies that need decorating. Don't taste terribly good but the family decorating time is fun. Now that my kids are older, they pull out the random odd cookie cutters that my mom has squirreled away, so we have shamrocks and bunnies and birds of many varieties and an arrow that morphed in the oven to look like a giant schlong. after decorating, we had an incredible hulk gingerbread man, a snowman turned into an ellipses (daughter is an english major, what can I say) and the Monty Python Killer Rabbit.

good times.

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Mamacita

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Also-- I heard a re-master of that fucking stupid Paul McCartney Christmas song-- with several guest artists. Everyone involved in that abomination deserves season tickets in Hell.

That song sucks weasel balls.

But that's not what I came here to talk about. This has been bothering me since I read it a few days ago:
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
At my old church I was uneasy at how on Christmas morning children were encouraged to go to the front and wave their newly acquired Christmas presents about, as though Christianity encouraged materialism.

Where, in all of Scripture and Tradition (not to mention Reason), does it suggest that this in any way appropriate? A liturgically-sanctioned "show and tell" that reeks of the worst sort of consumerism? Based on replies to SvitlanaV2's post, it seems the practice may not be common (thank God) but that her experience is not unique:
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
I have actually tried to kill this practice in our church - but it is the parents who resist all attempts to do so!

Maybe this is a "preaching opportunity" for next year. It's a sacred cow that deserves to be flambéed and served on skewers.

If you want to parade the kiddos up in front of the congregation so they can look cute and touching and all that, let them each tell the congregation what their favorite gift was that they gave to someone this year, or some act of kindness that they did for someone this season. The potential for showoff and oneupmanship is still there, but at least it's remotely related to what Christ himself might have encouraged.

Oh, by the way, that "Happy Birthday Jesus" crap? I work in Christian education and get catalogs with that nonsense all Advent. I hope it's only the crazy homeschoolers who buy it. If I went to a Christmas liturgy that included Jesus Birthday cake and balloons, I would walk out.

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But, the cake and balloons were such a bit hit at Pentecost. [Tear]

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deano not only do you need to brush up on grammar but you need to check on French spellings and meanings fois= time meaning occasion
foie = liver
Joyeux Noel Happy Christmas !

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My punctuations fine though.

[Killing me]

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quote:
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What did the bankers taste like?

A bit rich I should imagine .

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re: happy birthday jesus?

Every Christmas morning at my childhood church we kids had to troop to the back what the .5 size nativity stable was, and sing 'happy birthday' to the plaster jesus in his crib.

Utterly cringe worthy, and saying no was not an option [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by Taliesin:
re: happy birthday jesus?

Every Christmas morning at my childhood church we kids had to troop to the back what the .5 size nativity stable was, and sing 'happy birthday' to the plaster jesus in his crib.

Utterly cringe worthy, and saying no was not an option [Frown]

The under-fives sang "Happy Birthday" as part of their contribution to yesterday's Christmas service. Cheesy, but it didn't detract from an otherwise brilliant piece by four girls between two and four.

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quote:
Originally posted by North East Quine:
We are guest-free at Christmas. We will slob around in our PJs till it's time for church, then have a mid afternoon/ late afternoon/ who cares when dinner - a cold joint of gammon, studded with cloves and glazed with something delicious, and masses of roast veg. We buy the gammon ready -prepared from the butcher so it's no hassle, and we're dab hands at preparing veg.

We used to go to my parents, but Mum always wanted "the perfect family Christmas" and the effort to be perfect just resulted in tension headaches. We can't have my parents here, because Mum wouldn't be able to cope with our low standards.

It will be a lovely day - give the North East family some new books, an open box of chocolate gingers, and an endless supply of tea / coffee, plus a nice walk to and from church and the service itself, and we're happy.

That describes my perfect Christmas. It's the 'low standards' bit that does it. The one big exception was the Christmas when we got married. We had to tidy up, dress up, and then head down to the church for the wedding in the ancient VW Microbus. Then we went back to the in-laws' house with a bunch of friends and family, and did a lot of eating and drinking. The champagne corks are still among our Christmas tree ornaments.

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Kelly Alves

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Am I the only sap on earth that kinda likes singing Happy Birthday to Jesus?

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yes.

But that's okay. We still love you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Am I the only sap on earth that kinda likes singing Happy Birthday to Jesus?

Nope, but few admit to it. It's better than every "Jesus is my Boyfriend" song ever written.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Am I the only sap on earth that kinda likes singing Happy Birthday to Jesus?

The monks at Unvirtuous Abbey seem to think that Jesus likes a birthday party.

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SNAP!

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Am I the only sap on earth that kinda likes singing Happy Birthday to Jesus?

Nope, but few admit to it. It's better than every "Jesus is my Boyfriend" song ever written.
Son, what is your major malfunction?

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Guess you could just turn off the telly and ignore it if it upsets you that much.

[ 25. December 2013, 20:34: Message edited by: Jahlove ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Jahlove:
Guess you could just turn off the telly and ignore it if it upsets you that much.

Hipster.

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Dog finished our day by sneaking into no.1 son's bedroom and eating ALL his Christmas chocolate stash, including the beautiful chocolate cupcakes he'd had iced for his friends.
He doesn't love the dog anymore.... it's been thin ice for a while [Frown]

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You must get the animal seen by a vet, or at least get a phone opinion - chocolate is poisonous to dogs.

[ 26. December 2013, 14:13: Message edited by: Doublethink ]

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But what can anyone do about it? As far as I'm aware, there's no specific antidote.
He was ok. Explosive poos.

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I always wake up hating all things Christmas on the 26th, no matter how nice it all was.

I feel just like that dog. It was great at the time but now I'm kind of sick.

Looking forward to Lent.

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According to my sister, who is a vet, there is stuff you could do if needed (sometimes they need to go on a drip etc) - reason for ringing vet on discovery of chocolate eating is to be told what to look out for as indicating need for further treatment. If discovered soon enough, they may tell you to make the animal sick, and tell you how to effect that.

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As Christmas was so dire I decided to hit the shops for retail therapy today, maybe a book, or some earrings. So what did I end up with?

A rubbish bin [Roll Eyes] . Yes it is purple (favourite colour), but honestly! I need some frivolity in my life.

Huia

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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
As Christmas was so dire I decided to hit the shops for retail therapy today, maybe a book, or some earrings. So what did I end up with?

A rubbish bin [Roll Eyes] . Yes it is purple (favourite colour), but honestly! I need some frivolity in my life.

Huia

Purple?! Excellent - frivolous AND useful is a rare combination!

Tubbs

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