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TubaMirum
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quote: Originally posted by Boogie: Fair enough, that's your opinion. But it's not mine.
I know another forum which didn't last due to the lack of a Hell (imv). Personal differences got in the way and there was nowhere to take them, so the hosts got heavier and heavier handed until the forum simply imploded.
Also - could you please explain why you put people's names in "quotes"?
I don't, generally.
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Boogie
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So what has caused you to do it so often with Taliesin?
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quote: Originally posted by Boogie: quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: Sorry for the "Fuck you" above, too - but it's Hell, you know. You have to.
No you don't.
You can do, but you don't have to. Personal choice.
It's a joke, for God's sake.
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: The only reason Taliesin and I were able to "work out our differences" is because we both decided to ignore the bullshit and recognize where we might have been wrong. But you certainly don't need the lynch-mob atmosphere for that.
Seriously, Hell drags the rest of this site down its level. People think they just don't HAVE to be decent to anybody else. I can't count the number of really snotty, nasty comments I've been on the receiving end of here; it started, in fact, the very first time I ever commented on the site, and never got any better. There's an in-group mentality that's far, far worse here than anyplace else I've ever been - and I suspect Hell is the culprit.
I was friends with somebody here once, prior to coming to the site - but as soon as I criticized Ship of Fools along these lines, she turned on me instantly and viciously, joining up with the lynch mob. That's a problem - and who would want to be involved in such a place?
I left, so I don't really care. But really: there is something dreadfully wrong on these boards. There are some very, very nice people here - or at least, there were - but the atmosphere is simply awful generally.
The irony of thies is that you yourself seem to have a natural talent for generating more heat than light. I mean, reading this thread has helped me understand why you took offence at the original OP in Purg, and the thinking that underpinned your responses there, but until that point you just came over as a complete dickhead. So, seems like you may be a nice person, but you have a low flash point and express yourself in an inflammatory and generally unhelpful way - coming over, for example, as extremely theologically conservative when you are actually quite liberal. So the fact that you attract a lot of snotty, nasty comments is not simply a matter of happenstance, nor is it a reflection of the Hellishness of the Ship.
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I read the thread, but didn't contribute, because of the OP. But from that thread and this it seems T didn't want to hear from either of the theological positions that would challenge her position. LC and others gave positive affirmation after which she said the thread had pretty much served its purpose for her. In which case, it was really an All Saints thread / query in disguise.
Though the nature of socially acceptabple support in All Saints is fairly narrow too.
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TubaMirum
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quote: Originally posted by Boogie: So what has caused you to do it so often with Taliesin?
The real question is: why have you asked about this three times now? Why are you so fixated on it?
I do think it's fascinating, BTW, that so many people are so worried about alleged "tu quoque" arguments, and quotations and grammar here - yet don't seem at all interested in the weirdness of the same-sex marriage reference (as either a joke or an example of a trifle) in a post that has nothing to do with it.
Oh, and let's see: apparently some are worried about my being "rude" in a thread.
Can anybody explain this at all? Do you just not give a damn, or what?
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: I can't count the number of really snotty, nasty comments I've been on the receiving end of here; it started, in fact, the very first time I ever commented on the site, and never got any better.
Strange that ...
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quote: Originally posted by QLib: The irony of thies is that you yourself seem to have a natural talent for generating more heat than light. I mean, reading this thread has helped me understand why you took offence at the original OP in Purg, and the thinking that underpinned your responses there, but until that point you just came over as a complete dickhead. So, seems like you may be a nice person, but you have a low flash point and express yourself in an inflammatory and generally unhelpful way - coming over, for example, as extremely theologically conservative when you are actually quite liberal. So the fact that you attract a lot of snotty, nasty comments is not simply a matter of happenstance, nor is it a reflection of the Hellishness of the Ship.
Here's the problem: I was a member of this so-called "community" for about 5 years. Yet you apparently have no recall of me. So clearly I'm not a memorable "dickhead" at all. And I explained quite clearly in my first post here what my issue was.
Further, I was not the only one to object to Taliesin's initial post, either. And still further: nobody still seems to want to address the actual issue I brought up.
Why was a dismissive reference to same-sex marriage included in the initial post for no reason whatsoever - and why was the post on Purgatory in the first place, if it was a sensitive issue?
Love that "it's definitely your fault!" thing there at the end! How many times have I seen that here, in the "circle the wagons" phase of these discussions!
And yes, I can be very straightforward when I want to be - but in fact, the snottiness I've encountered here has mostly been entirely gratuitous, and in fact one time I was simply offering a response to a request.
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quote: Originally posted by Boogie: quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: I can't count the number of really snotty, nasty comments I've been on the receiving end of here; it started, in fact, the very first time I ever commented on the site, and never got any better.
Strange that ...
Let me say that again. It started the first time I commented.
Again: do you happen recall me being very nasty? I remember talking with you in the past. But obviously you don't even remember talking to me at all, even once.
If I were actually a big "dickhead" don't you think perhaps might? [ 09. March 2014, 14:39: Message edited by: TubaMirum ]
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: Here's the problem: I was a member of this so-called "community" for about 5 years. Yet you apparently have no recall of me. So clearly I'm not a memorable "dickhead" at all.
I hadn't noticed you'd gone missing, actually, but that's partly because, although I wouldn't say I remember you as a dickhead, I did have you down as a "wtf?/avoid" because it was difficult to get a handle on who you were, though what you were (stroppy) was clear enough.
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Takes deep breath.
Tubamirum, people have asked why you put my name in quotes because it was a weird thing to do. Putting something in quotes suggests that it is somehow doubtful, and 'so called'. Well, taliesan is not my real name. I suspect a fair few of us need to be quoted up.
Further, in your comment to me on the divorce thread, you made a comment that is the total opposite of your genuine feeling. But people didn't know that, they took it at face value. Just as you took my reference to 'trendy liberals' as an insult rather than a 'look guys, I need to go out and find out what the other people think, ok?' It was arrogance on my part, to assume that people know who I am. Clearly, no one knows me from a hole in the ground.
Doublethink, I'm really stunned at your lack of comprehension, and a bit hurt. If you'd said, I didn't read the thread cos of the OP, then, fair enough. But to say you read it then so totally misinterpret me is worrying.
I went out to try to take Jesus literally, instead of doing our usual trick of adding 'but he didn't really mean that' to everything uncomfortable.
It does, genuinely worry me sometimes that I'm taking the 21st century ideals and retrofitting them to God. Hence enormous problems with the ot and so on. So I posted in dead horses and I was up for hearing what ever anyone had to say, but trying to avoid a whole raft of 'don't worry, be happy' posts.
But out in force came wonderful, gentle people, who stepped outside their own comfort zone to walk with me. I was a bit overwhelmed. That and the fact that it had been transplanted to purg meant I felt hugely guilty for bringing my sister back into the argument and I said, ok, thank you, I wasn't trying to set anyone up, let's call it a day. It WASN'T EVER A SUPPORT THREAD OF ANY KIND.
I still think that if bible literalists are right, I'm going to be in the same line as my sister. And my husband, and my kids. And, come to that, my other sister. (Married to a man, but first husband still living). While my parents may well get a ticket to heaven. Oh, what deep irony.
But the generosity and love of people like lambchopped, cliffdweller and Enoch made me think a lot about grace and the gospel. And maybe we are all going to be ok. And I can't explain any more fully here and now.
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: It started the first time I commented.
The first time I posted, I was fairly much ignored. This actually continued for a bit. For me, it was due in large part to my posting style. Which was extremely spare, giving little to connect with. I adjusted and people have become used to me. Communication works in both directions.
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Just out of curiosity, "Tuba," what was your first post about? Was it the criticism of the ship's atmosphere, or something less incendiary?
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: Again: do you happen recall me being very nasty? I remember talking with you in the past. But obviously you don't even remember talking to me at all, even once.
No, I don't remember talking to you at all, but don't feel insulted - my memory is exceedingly poor.
I find your use of quotes odd - as if you doubt the bits in quotes, so doing it to someone's name is even stranger, as Taliesin said.
I find your posting style abrasive, which is what cased me to comment 'strange that ...'. Maybe your first ever post was abrasive too?
Nothing wrong with abrasive of course, the Ship is an unrestful place and welcomes all comers. But you shouldn't be too surprised if people reply in kind.
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Doublethink.
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quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: Doublethink, I'm really stunned at your lack of comprehension, and a bit hurt. If you'd said, I didn't read the thread cos of the OP, then, fair enough. But to say you read it then so totally misinterpret me is worrying.
I went out to try to take Jesus literally, instead of doing our usual trick of adding 'but he didn't really mean that' to everything uncomfortable.
It does, genuinely worry me sometimes that I'm taking the 21st century ideals and retrofitting them to God. Hence enormous problems with the ot and so on. So I posted in dead horses and I was up for hearing what ever anyone had to say, but trying to avoid a whole raft of 'don't worry, be happy' posts.
That's exactly my point, it was/is a hugely personal dilemma. About which you effectively asked for advice.
My reading of what you have posted since is that you really didn't want people to suggest you should abandon your current husband (even if put a lot more politely that by Tubamirum) or live with him as with a brother to raise your children. If that, and don't worry about it, are not viable positions in the debate - then there is little left to debate is there ?
FWIW I don't think you are committing adultery, and I believe you are probably living the best life you can in accordance with your beliefs. Nobody in their right mind aspires to broken relationships and divorce, so I don't doubt your sincere regret about the past either - but that does not mean divorce can not be the right choice for some relationships in some circumstances IMO. [ 09. March 2014, 15:14: Message edited by: Doublethink ]
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lilBuddha
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quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: It was arrogance on my part, to assume that people know who I am. Clearly, no one knows me from a hole in the ground.
The self-pity in the statement by you and TubaMirum is interesting. Communication is more difficult online in some ways. Hold on, scratch that, communication is difficult. I can give a sideways glance to some of my closest friends during conversation, and have them completely understand my meaning. Yet other times have them misunderstand a spoken comment. Even with long time posters, there will be misunderstandings. So untwist your knickers and you will find moving around here a bit more comfortable. [ 09. March 2014, 15:18: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
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No, I didn't. 'What shall I do?' Is asking for advice.
I said, can anyone tell me what the churches response to me is, and what am I actually supposed to do?
Because, as I said on the thread I failed to link to, no one in their right mind would tell me to leave my current husband and children. I wanted people to think about it. I wanted to find out how people think about it. That people mistook my question and ran with it was a result of several things, not least of which being my initial lack of clarity.
Who the hell reads the last sentence in my OP and takes it seriously? I wish someone had stepped up a bit quicker to say it was offensive.
In my church, I was invited to sign a petition on the 'dumbing down of marriage' and I was really interested to read it. Was it going to advise more input before people committed? More gravitas? Greater commitment to the church community afterward?
I read it, was genuinely a bit stunned, and then said to the woman welding it 'but this isn't about dumbing down of marriage at all, it's just anti-gay.'
Elsewhere in the circuit, members tried to stop a couple having their baby baptised, because, yes, you've guessed it, the couple were gay. And? Congregation felt that they were just having an excuse for a party.
It is these people to whom I direct my questions, not the rest of you. But in real life, they won't answer.
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: It was arrogance on my part, to assume that people know who I am. Clearly, no one knows me from a hole in the ground.
The self-pity in the statement by you and TubaMirum is interesting. Communication is more difficult online in some ways. Hold on, scratch that, communication is difficult. I can give a sideways glance to some of my closest friends during conversation, and have them completely understand my meaning. Yet other times have them misunderstand a spoken comment. Even with long time posters, there will be misunderstandings. So untwist your knickers and you will find moving around here a bit more comfortable.
Once again. Anyone who has read my posts and remembers who I am knows that my sister is gay, my daughters both came out as gay in their teens and while my sister can answer to God on her own, thanks, and I was more than happy to be a witness at her civil partnership and I would be devastated if she and her partner ever split up for any reason at all, my own kids I needed to think more deeply about. So I did huge amounts of thinking and reading and worrying and eventually came to be at peace with it, just in time for them to leave or be left by their girlfriends and take up with boys instead. Although not, in the case of D1, exclusively.
So it's absolutely not self pity, and piss off for saying so, that really pushes my buttons, but reality. A reality it would do me well to remember next time I start an oblique thread.
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quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: Anyone who has read my posts and remembers who I am knows that my sister is gay, my daughters both came out as gay in their teens ...
I don't spend a huge amount of time on the ship these days, and certainly don't read every active thread, especially in Purg. What I remember about people tends to be more about mood and posting style rather than specifics - I've certainly seen you around a lot and recognise you as (usually) pretty reasonable, which is why I didn't rise to the bait of 'trendy liberal' - I guess I assumed you didn't mean to give offence. But I had no idea about the personal domestic circumstances of you, your sister, or your daughters.
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I did, which is why I was having to totally sit on my hands to keep from telling TubaMirum just how totally she had got hold of the wrong end of the cat on that one--but I didn't feel I had the right to explain unless Taliesin chose to do so.
It would probably help if we could all be a bit less quick to assume that our own reading of someone's post is the correct one. As a host pointed out to me on that very thread... ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: Once again. Anyone who has read my posts and remembers who I am knows
Not how it works, sunshine. We are not databases. People forget, need to be reminded. Face to face or online. Especially, as has been noted, the level of interaction varies considerably.
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What she said. I have interacted with you a number of times, Taliesin, and I had no idea abut your family situation. I just haven't participated in those particular discussions.
I think Lil' B nails it-- communication in general is a pain in the ass, online communication is disproportionately so.
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Ah yes. Of course. It's all the fault of other people. Have you ever considered that if you or your posts are constantly jumped on, that you may be contributing to the situation? Not very hellish as a post, I'm afraid, but it's been long weekend... ![[Snore]](graemlins/snore.gif)
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Just to clarify, that was aimed at Tuba Mirum.
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: It started the first time I commented.
The first time I posted, I was fairly much ignored. This actually continued for a bit. For me, it was due in large part to my posting style. Which was extremely spare, giving little to connect with. I adjusted and people have become used to me. Communication works in both directions.
...and, as I mentioned, continued on for most of the five years (or whatever) I was here.
I'm well aware that there is a learning-about-people curve in any new situation. Five years, though, is kind of way too long to wait for it to resolve.
Once I posted a recipe on Heaven - and got sneered at because somebody disapproved of an ingredient in it! This kind of thing is a commonplace here in my experience - and there's no particular reason to put up with bullshit like this. It's just not at all worth it.
I've never had a single bit of trouble on any other site, BTW, and I've gotten into some pretty heated discussions in various places. This place is the one that's been repellent enough to force me to leave - and this place is the one with the Hell board and the general Hell ethos. I'm just putting two and two together here.
It could possibly be that SoF is only repellent to me, it's true. In any case, when you've had overwhelmingly negative experiences, there's no reason to bother anymore.
I don't really care, I should add; I'm just explaining the situation.....
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quote: Originally posted by jacobsen: Ah yes. Of course. It's all the fault of other people. Have you ever considered that if you or your posts are constantly jumped on, that you may be contributing to the situation? Not very hellish as a post, I'm afraid, but it's been long weekend...
Yes, I've considered it. However, as I just explained, it only happens here.
Have you ever considered that it might be this website itself? It's the only one anywhere I purely hate and loathe....
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quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: If my name is in quotes, does it mean I am not 'really' Taliesin? As does that mean you think you are actually a tuba? Because it seems quite strange use of punctuation.
My OP was posted in dead horses, after I made the 39th post on the thread about young people leaving the church. I've never figured out how to link to specific posts.
In retrospect, the tone does look rude, but is meant to be ironic. If a person believes all sex is fine, then they are likely to tell me all is fine, and I wasn't looking for reassurance, I was trying, genuinely, to find out what churches think I should ACTUALLY DO. not hypothetically our metaphorically or ideally. And your response, that I should leave my husband to avoid adultery and further sin, is the one that no one actually advises. Except maybe the RCs.
So if you were posting honestly, I would have been interested to hear your ideas. But you weren't. So, bit pointless, really.
But in Tuba's defense, if you don't want to hear the liberal answer and you don't want to hear the RC answer, exactly whose opinion do you want? Let's try this. Tell me what you want to hear and I'll be happy to tell you what church or denomination, if any, believes that.
Welcome back Tuba! I've missed you. Of course, I have a soft spot for Evensong as well. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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quote: Originally posted by Beeswax Altar: quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: If my name is in quotes, does it mean I am not 'really' Taliesin? As does that mean you think you are actually a tuba? Because it seems quite strange use of punctuation.
My OP was posted in dead horses, after I made the 39th post on the thread about young people leaving the church. I've never figured out how to link to specific posts.
In retrospect, the tone does look rude, but is meant to be ironic. If a person believes all sex is fine, then they are likely to tell me all is fine, and I wasn't looking for reassurance, I was trying, genuinely, to find out what churches think I should ACTUALLY DO. not hypothetically our metaphorically or ideally. And your response, that I should leave my husband to avoid adultery and further sin, is the one that no one actually advises. Except maybe the RCs.
So if you were posting honestly, I would have been interested to hear your ideas. But you weren't. So, bit pointless, really.
But in Tuba's defense, if you don't want to hear the liberal answer and you don't want to hear the RC answer, exactly whose opinion do you want? Let's try this. Tell me what you want to hear and I'll be happy to tell you what church or denomination, if any, believes that.
Welcome back Tuba! I've missed you. Of course, I have a soft spot for Evensong as well.
Thank you, BA. I'm missing Evensong right now, actually - I completely forgot!
Totally hate SoF so am probably not "back." But good to see you as well....
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quote: Originally posted by jacobsen: Ah yes. Of course. It's all the fault of other people. Have you ever considered that if you or your posts are constantly jumped on, that you may be contributing to the situation?
Many people have been posting here, happily, for over a decade. I'm thinking some people may just be a bad "fit." No board can be all things to all people. No person should expect to fit in everywhere. Blaming the boards in cases like this may help salve the ego, but it's probably misplaced.
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: quote: Originally posted by Beeswax Altar: Welcome back Tuba! I've missed you. Of course, I have a soft spot for Evensong as well.
Thank you, BA. I'm missing Evensong right now, actually - I completely forgot!
Totally hate SoF so am probably not "back." But good to see you as well....
(OTOH, perhaps I COULD stand Ecclesiantics. The bullshit-to-content ratio is so much lower there....)
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I reacted badly to being told I was self pitying. It's the kind of accusation that can't be refuted, and sends me straight into a child space.
To say, 'you don't know me' is a truism. You can only respond to what I give. Clearly, I believe I'm more visible than I really am, and to make such unqualified statements in the belief that people would understand where I was coming from was, actually, arrogance. I wasn't being ironic, I was admitting a truth.
I'm not feeling persecuted or ignored or unloved, just slightly disillusioned, which is ok. Illusions aren't that great. I'd like to know some of you better. That would be cool.
Tubamirim, I'm sorry you're hating it here.
Xposted with others. When did I say I didn't want to hear the RCs? At least they have the balls to be completely unreasonable about everything... until the pope retrospectively always thought that. [ 09. March 2014, 19:29: Message edited by: Taliesin ]
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I'm interested in the sneered-at ingredient in the recipe thread: Kraft cheese slices? Irn Bru? Fugu?
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quote: Originally posted by Firenze: I'm interested in the sneered-at ingredient in the recipe thread: Kraft cheese slices? Irn Bru? Fugu?
Velveeta?
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Firenze
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Velveeta would equate to the Kraft cheese. I can't see haggis being a problem - unless it was a dessert possibly.
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Lamb Chopped
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How about those fried onion thingies you put on green bean casseroles?
No, it's gotta be Cheez Whiz! (this would make a great Heaven thread)
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Firenze
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Boogie - you sneering at my Strawberry and Marmite Blancmange?
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Taliesin
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polenta. its truely grim.
kids at school made battenburg cake last week, and brought me a slice. it was delicious, but green. isn't that actually illegal?
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mousethief
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No, green M&M's are legal and green but not delicious.
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quote: Originally posted by Taliesin: I reacted badly to being told I was self pitying. It's the kind of accusation that can't be refuted, and sends me straight into a child space.
Perhaps I should not have made that assumption. I did not intend to cause distress.
quote: Originally posted by Beeswax Altar: I've missed you. Of course, I have a soft spot for Evensong as well.
Yeah, that is supposed to fuse at about 2 months of age. You might wish to consult a physician.
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Sooo late to the party, but here goes:
TubaMirum, I don't remember you, mostly because it seems you must have debarked before I boarded. That said, there is something to be said for reading at least enough of a thread to get a reasonable handle on contexts and so on. If there's something which consistently annoys me about SoF, it's that -- the willingness of some posters (I'm pointing no fingers at you, (TM) particularly, as you're far from alone in doing this) to zip in and repeat what's already been posted by others, or zip in and accidentally derail a thread by having no idea what it's actually about.
TBF, it doesn't happen with great frequency, and most who do it at least note the fact, viz., "Sorry, haven't read the thread, but wanted to say gobble-de-gob."
Should "Read the thread before posting" be one of our rules? Can't say; some threads do get awfully long, and there is this intrusive little item known as real life.
Now back to the hunt for the Mystery Ingredient.
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quote: Originally posted by lilBuddha: quote: Originally posted by Beeswax Altar: I've missed you. Of course, I have a soft spot for Evensong as well.
Yeah, that is supposed to fuse at about 2 months of age. You might wish to consult a physician.
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TubaMirum, two words: confirmation bias. Hope that helps.
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I'm sort of glad tubamirim spoke up, actually. Turns out a fair number of people were either confused or offended by my thread, and I'm glad to know that. It was horrible of you, and probably you need to know that, too. There were a couple of people who were obviously spiky about the OP but didn't ask an actual question, just registered a kind of disapproval, gave their opinion and moved on. Which made it hard to revisit. Especially as it all whizzed on while I was sleeping.
It would have helped me enormously if someone had said how rude the OP sounded or came across, and had asked a question about that. [ 10. March 2014, 06:23: Message edited by: Taliesin ]
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I didn't see it that way, and I suspect most people didn't either. But it's one of the problems of a text-based medium, that people see things that were never intended.
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quote: Originally posted by Porridge: Now back to the hunt for the Mystery Ingredient.
gnocchi - I will sneer at that wherever and whenever I see it. Bleugh!
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quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: Once I posted a recipe on Heaven - and got sneered at because somebody disapproved of an ingredient in it! This kind of thing is a commonplace here in my experience - and there's no particular reason to put up with bullshit like this. It's just not at all worth it.
So somebody you've never met and probably never will meet posted on an internet forum to say they didn't think your choice of ingredient met their standards. And you've been simmering about that for five years?
Quite possibly their choice of ingredients for one of their favourite recipes doesn't meet your standards either. The world's a big place - plenty of room for people to disagree, decide to give each other space, and spend time with people more compatible instead.
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Boogie
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quote: Originally posted by Ariel: quote: Originally posted by TubaMirum: Once I posted a recipe on Heaven - and got sneered at because somebody disapproved of an ingredient in it! This kind of thing is a commonplace here in my experience - and there's no particular reason to put up with bullshit like this. It's just not at all worth it.
So somebody you've never met and probably never will meet posted on an internet forum to say they didn't think your choice of ingredient met their standards. And you've been simmering about that for five years?
I think she's trying to make the point that the Ship is a horrible, hateful, sneery place which makes its posters unhappy, even in Heaven.
I tried to point out that her experience is probably due to her posting style - that people are replying in kind, even in Heaven.
I am a person who tries to see the best in everyone, but TubaMirum's dismissive, unpleasant attitude has rubbed me up the wrong way ever since she returned.
I think the Ship is what it set out to be - unrestful, slightly edgy, a place for people who prefer their religion disorganized.
She says she hates the Ship yet keeps on posting. Why?
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