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Patdys
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Porridge:
Now back to the hunt for the Mystery Ingredient.
gnocchi - I will sneer at that wherever and whenever I see it. Bleugh!
I am sorry but you have gone beyond the pale. Gnocchism, the spiritual side of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is religion at its sauciest.
You are probably a pastafarian.
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Posted
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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
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Originally posted by Taliesin:
If my name is in quotes, does it mean I am not 'really' Taliesin? As does that mean you think you are actually a tuba? Because it seems quite strange use of punctuation.
My OP was posted in dead horses, after I made the 39th post on the thread about young people leaving the church. I've never figured out how to link to specific posts.
In retrospect, the tone does look rude, but is meant to be ironic. If a person believes all sex is fine, then they are likely to tell me all is fine, and I wasn't looking for reassurance, I was trying, genuinely, to find out what churches think I should ACTUALLY DO. not hypothetically our metaphorically or ideally. And your response, that I should leave my husband to avoid adultery and further sin, is the one that no one actually advises. Except maybe the RCs.
So if you were posting honestly, I would have been interested to hear your ideas. But you weren't. So, bit pointless, really.
But in Tuba's defense, if you don't want to hear the liberal answer and you don't want to hear the RC answer, exactly whose opinion do you want? Let's try this. Tell me what you want to hear and I'll be happy to tell you what church or denomination, if any, believes that.
Welcome back Tuba! I've missed you. Of course, I have a soft spot for Evensong as well. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Thank you, BA. I'm missing Evensong right now, actually - I completely forgot!
Totally hate SoF so am probably not "back." But good to see you as well....
I'm assuming you mean that Blessed Sung Service instituted by our Lord Book of Common Prayer rather than myself? I thought you looked familiar, but I cant place you.
But hey, if Beeswax likes you, you must be alright. He has great taste.
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Firenze
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Could this be the sneer that launched a thousand huffs?
Admittedly, TubaMirum has already dissed lettuce a couple of posts up (thereby offending rabbits everywhere), so Marvin saying a bacon butty doesn't need tomato isn't exactly withering - and there's no immediate sound of running feet and slamming doors. In fact TM stays to chat about pickles.
So I'm not sure we have identified the Terrible Incident of the Mocked Ingredient.
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Originally posted by Porridge:
Should "Read the thread before posting" be one of our rules? Can't say; some threads do get awfully long, and there is this intrusive little item known as real life.
Erin once posted that, for the really long threads in DH, one only had to read the last 10 pages before posting, rather than the whole thread.
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Posted
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
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Originally posted by Porridge:
Should "Read the thread before posting" be one of our rules? Can't say; some threads do get awfully long, and there is this intrusive little item known as real life.
Erin once posted that, for the really long threads in DH, one only had to read the last 10 pages before posting, rather than the whole thread.
It's even simpler in Hell: ignore previous posts, get roasted.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Could this be the sneer that launched a thousand huffs?
Admittedly, TubaMirum has already dissed lettuce a couple of posts up (thereby offending rabbits everywhere), so Marvin saying a bacon butty doesn't need tomato isn't exactly withering - and there's no immediate sound of running feet and slamming doors. In fact TM stays to chat about pickles.
So I'm not sure we have identified the Terrible Incident of the Mocked Ingredient.
It's actually a clever, if throw-away, line.
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Firenze
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Not to worry. The recipe threads are archived. I feel motivated to keep looking. After all, there is post so scathing it's left a psychic imprint for years: serves indeed as a synecdoche for whole hostile culture of The Ship - and all on what is usually one of the least viperish threads in Heaven.
How can the Hosts have missed it?
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Posted
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
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Originally posted by Porridge:
Should "Read the thread before posting" be one of our rules? Can't say; some threads do get awfully long, and there is this intrusive little item known as real life.
Erin once posted that, for the really long threads in DH, one only had to read the last 10 pages before posting, rather than the whole thread.
It's even simpler in Hell: ignore previous posts, get roasted.
That's never been a precursor to a roasting. Hell hath no logic like a thread scorned.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Not to worry. The recipe threads are archived. I feel motivated to keep looking. After all, there is post so scathing it's left a psychic imprint for years: serves indeed as a synecdoche for whole hostile culture of The Ship - and all on what is usually one of the least viperish threads in Heaven.
How can the Hosts have missed it?
You're a strange, strange woman.
I think I like you.
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Originally posted by Evensong:
You're a strange, strange woman.
I think I like you.
I'm OK with 50% of those statements.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Taliesin:
I'm sort of glad tubamirim spoke up, actually. Turns out a fair number of people were either confused or offended by my thread, and I'm glad to know that.
It was horrible of you, and probably you need to know that, too. There were a couple of people who were obviously spiky about the OP but didn't ask an actual question, just registered a kind of disapproval, gave their opinion and moved on. Which made it hard to revisit. Especially as it all whizzed on while I was sleeping.
It would have helped me enormously if someone had said how rude the OP sounded or came across, and had asked a question about that.
I didn't realize you were so tone-deaf that re-reading your own OP in the light of several "spiky" comments about it wouldn't enlighten you. Next time instead of moderating what I say in order to keep from being as rude as you, I'll come right out and tell you you're being an ass.
But how about you just register right now that telling a whole category of people that their views are not welcome on a thread in Purgatory is a bad idea in the first place, even without the jerkishness about same-sex marriage. If you want to limit the discussion along certain narrowly defined lines, craft a better OP. Any time you're talking about people (i.e., "trendy liberals") instead of ideas, you are venturing onto thin ice.
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Posted
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
Once I posted a recipe on Heaven - and got sneered at because somebody disapproved of an ingredient in it! This kind of thing is a commonplace here in my experience - and there's no particular reason to put up with bullshit like this. It's just not at all worth it.
So somebody you've never met and probably never will meet posted on an internet forum to say they didn't think your choice of ingredient met their standards. And you've been simmering about that for five years?
I think she's trying to make the point that the Ship is a horrible, hateful, sneery place which makes its posters unhappy, even in Heaven.
I tried to point out that her experience is probably due to her posting style - that people are replying in kind, even in Heaven.
I am a person who tries to see the best in everyone, but TubaMirum's dismissive, unpleasant attitude has rubbed me up the wrong way ever since she returned.
I think the Ship is what it set out to be - unrestful, slightly edgy, a place for people who prefer their religion disorganized.
She says she hates the Ship yet keeps on posting. Why?
And have you noticed her post count? Pretty healthy for someone who hates the place and has hated it from the word GO.
Obviously, her version of a good style of "unrest" differs from the Ship's style of "unrest". It is interesting that there are an awful lot of us bunnies on the Ship who manage to enjoy the place, snark and all. And not all of us are totally passive aggressive. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Ah, well, to each her own.
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Posted
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by Taliesin:
I'm sort of glad tubamirim spoke up, actually...
It would have helped me enormously if someone had said how rude the OP sounded or came across, and had asked a question about that.
I didn't realize you were so tone-deaf that re-reading your own OP in the light of several "spiky" comments about it wouldn't enlighten you. Next time instead of moderating what I say in order to keep from being as rude as you, I'll come right out and tell you you're being an ass.
But how about you just register right now that telling a whole category of people that their views are not welcome on a thread in Purgatory is a bad idea in the first place, even without the jerkishness about same-sex marriage. If you want to limit the discussion along certain narrowly defined lines, craft a better OP. Any time you're talking about people (i.e., "trendy liberals") instead of ideas, you are venturing onto thin ice.
I AM, MYSELF, A LIBERAL, WHO HAS FRIENDS AND RELATIVES OF ALL SHADES AND FLAVOURS. WHEN I WANT THEIR OPINION, I TALK OUT LOUD.
I wanted to know what the other people think, believing them to be in a minority on the ship.
And I posted it in dead horses.
So yes, please, if you hear something rude and are interested enough to read and or post, do me the decency of telling me what you actually think.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Taliesin:
I AM, MYSELF, A LIBERAL, WHO HAS FRIENDS AND RELATIVES OF ALL SHADES AND FLAVOURS. WHEN I WANT THEIR OPINION, I TALK OUT LOUD.
DO YOU SHOUT AT THEM?
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I wanted to know what the other people think, believing them to be in a minority on the ship.
No need to be rude to the rest of us when you do so.
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And I posted it in dead horses.
Which has the same rules as Purgatory.
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So yes, please, if you hear something rude and are interested enough to read and or post, do me the decency of telling me what you actually think.
I did. I just wasn't rude about it, so you didn't get it. Idiot.
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Taliesin
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It is not rude to tell someone how you feel about something. I made a misplaced joke, a comment that dripped with irony, in the context of dead horses. I shouted in my last post because you aren't hearing me. Stupid, I know. Sorry. I had promised myself I wouldn't keep trying to explain, but I couldn't believe you were still misunderstanding me. What is wrong with saying 'that came across as rude' or 'did you mean to be so rude' or 'are you aware how rude that sounds?' Or 'I felt really cross when I read your remark about ...' none of which are themselves rude.
I didn't see any of the initial responses till it was well underway on a different board.
I'm not trying to tell you what to do or say, or imagining that I know what you should do or say, to me or anyone else.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Taliesin:
What is wrong with saying 'that came across as rude' or 'did you mean to be so rude' or 'are you aware how rude that sounds?' Or 'I felt really cross when I read your remark about ...' none of which are themselves rude.
Nothing. Except none of those are what I thought and felt.
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So what did you feel, or think?
Was it just that you thought I was an idiot?
I went back to read your comment on the divorce thread. You said that you didn't understand why I was not talking to liberals, since it is the liberals who have made divorce acceptable.
Which I why I wasn't talking to them. To be accurate, if it weren't for the liberals, I would still be divorced, but it is unlikely I would have found a church that accepted me. So, it's very unlikely I would have become a Christian, since it was the love of a church community that led me to faith.
I'm sorry I didn't answer you on that thread, too much was going on. I just thought, ooops, she thinks I'm serious despite the use of the word 'savvy' and has misunderstood where I'm coming from... Sorry if it upset you or pushed any buttons.
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Anselmina
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TubaMiram aside - it just so happens that she hasn't particularly blipped on my radar - I wonder if this insistence of seeing the Ship as some kind of singular Voice (bizarrely, in my opinion) comes down, at least in part, to the personality of the poster? I've never understood it, myself.
I've been here for a few years - even hosted for a while - and have never had any sense of a specific overriding agenda, or the imposition of a monolithic or single flavour to the community's interaction. Even amongst the hosting. And even when the distinctive guiding hand at the tiller was the much missed Erin's. In fact, Erin's splendidly anarchic 'Fuck you' theology was the antithesis to anyone trying to set up a prevailing clique here. If she thought you deserved the ministry of the rusty auger, it was because she thought you were an idiot; not because you didn't fit in with some hidden manifesto for SOF. And I'd say the Ship still, more or less, lives up to that admirable ideal. (Or lives down to it, if you happen to be the idiot referred to!)
I've always been aware of the Ship as a collection of individuals; some of whom, inevitably, overlap in their views and posting styles. And inevitably such similarities and interaction viewed side by side brings a particular skew to an argument. But nevertheless posters are complete individuals utterly responsible for their own posts, whatever alliances or conspiracies they imagine themselves to be part of, or a victim of.
I think it's likely that there are groups of posters who console each other via PMs, when 'the Ship' has been picking on them, or 'the Ship' has dogpiled them, or 'the Ship' hasn't recognized their version of the truth, or their erudition, or some such shit. And, frankly, this is the clique - amongst them all - I would consider the most harmful to good internet community relations. Ironically.
And, frankly, I think the attitude is a cop out; a way of avoiding the fact that behind the imagined conspiracy there is actually a group of individuals who, individually, have come to the same conclusion. Much easier to rail against the single voice of 'the Ship' than consider the possibility that a handful of individuals have genuinely and independently come to the conclusion that you're a dick (which isn't to say they're naturally right, but you never know!).
But then, maybe that's down to my personality, too? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Anselmina
I've always been aware of the Ship as a collection of individuals; some of whom, inevitably, overlap in their views and posting styles. And inevitably such similarities and interaction viewed side by side brings a particular skew to an argument. But nevertheless posters are complete individuals utterly responsible for their own posts, whatever alliances or conspiracies they imagine themselves to be part of, or a victim of.
Well said!
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Somebody shipwise has a lovely sig. It goes something like:
First person: "I'm an individual"!
Second person: "I'm an individual"!
Third person: "I'm an individual"!
Someone else: "Yes. You're all individuals".
Another person: "I'm not"!
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Posted
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Originally posted by Evensong:
Somebody shipwise has a lovely sig. It goes something like:
First person: "I'm an individual"!
Second person: "I'm an individual"!
Third person: "I'm an individual"!
Someone else: "Yes. You're all individuals".
Another person: "I'm not"!
Yes - brill!
(It's from the Life of Brian)
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Posted
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
Once I posted a recipe on Heaven - and got sneered at because somebody disapproved of an ingredient in it ...
... And you've been simmering about that for five years?
I think she might have boiled dry by now ...
FWIW (not much) I think the ingredient was probably okra.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Could this be the sneer that launched a thousand huffs?
Admittedly, TubaMirum has already dissed lettuce a couple of posts up (thereby offending rabbits everywhere), so Marvin saying a bacon butty doesn't need tomato isn't exactly withering - and there's no immediate sound of running feet and slamming doors. In fact TM stays to chat about pickles.
So I'm not sure we have identified the Terrible Incident of the Mocked Ingredient.
Yeah, that one drove me to the search function, too. Note that just above she says she forgoes lettuce in a B L T, so why can't Marv make a snark about forgoing everything else?
Cry me a river. Just try defending avocados around here; then you will know what Coventry is like.
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Avos? Food of the gods.
Yeah, I know - hold still while you paint the target on.
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I stand with you in complete agreement, my sister.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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My goodness this thread is strange.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by piglet:
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by TubaMirum:
Once I posted a recipe on Heaven - and got sneered at because somebody disapproved of an ingredient in it ...
... And you've been simmering about that for five years?
I think she might have boiled dry by now ...
FWIW (not much) I think the ingredient was probably okra.
Ooo! Ooo! Evidence!
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Lamb Chopped
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Just so it wason't o-qua ... ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
But send me some avocados please, I'm getting hungry, and they want a pound of flesh out here.
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Kelly Alves
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I sure hope whatever that is tastes good.
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It is known in India as bitter gourd or pavaka. I have had it fried, baked and boiled. I have had it coated.
There are those of us in this household (all of us, actually) who consider it a wonderful vegetable.
I sometimes find it at home and have learnt to ask for bitter melon (which it is not).
North Americans refuse to eat any vegetable that doesn't taste sweet. Their loss, my gain.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by PeteC:
North Americans refuse to eat any vegetable that doesn't taste sweet. Their loss, my gain.
Arugula.
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Brussels sprouts.
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Kelly Alves
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Love me some Brussels Sprouts.
Hate me some generalizations.
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mdijon
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Originally posted by Firenze:
In fact TM stays to chat about pickles.
So I'm not sure we have identified the Terrible Incident of the Mocked Ingredient.
Logically one would expect the terrible incidence to be one of the last things that happened. It would seem odd to have suffered such a miserable snub on a cookery/ingredients thread and then return to a similar thread.
So perhaps we are looking at it, and the pickles chat was a brief, brave attempt to cope and carry on, followed by a terrible and overwhelming abreaction in the last week or so.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by PeteC:
North Americans refuse to eat any vegetable that doesn't taste sweet. Their loss, my gain.
Arugula.
And collard greens, and the ever-trendy kale, and everything leafy and green; Hell, you'd be hard-pressed to call my chile peppers of certain death "sweet." And this has been a very nice digression and all, but, dare I ask it, what's the point? We've already established that someone hates Us, but just can't quit Us (yes, because there's so obviously an Us, the memos I missed be damned), someone capable of getting offended on the recipe thread. But, seeing as they've gotten all huffy and are leaving us alone, can we save the discussion of foods that make us angry for somewhere else—somewhere we can taste 'em without the smell of brimstone masking the subtle nuances?
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Kelly Alves
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Beats me. I merely pointed out the tragic ghettoization of avocado lovers on Recipe Threads Past*, and everyone went all foodie.
Maybe it's breakfast time in England.
* not the one above, I should note.
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I think I shall celebrate multiculturalism by having a very exotic unBritish breakfast of pancakes and maple syrup, and a glass of apple juice.
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L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.
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Be careful guys, or someone will have the difficult choice of transferring at least some of this to a Heaven food thread (if the Heaven hosts will have it) or closing it, in the apparent absence of the fly-by Tubamirum.
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"He isn't Doctor Who, he's The Doctor"
(Paul Sinha, BBC)
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