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Beeswax Altar
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
Peter has a hope and belief in his post-lapse destiny: He walked on the water. We can, too.

No, we can't. Other than in football chants, is there any evidence anywhere of anyone else even claiming to walk on water?
You are missing the point. Humans can walk on water if God gives them the power. Jesus tells the disciples that they would do greater things than they witnessed Jesus do. Walking on water isn't something God needs to do. God is omnipresent. An omnipresent God has no need to travel.

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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
Peter has a hope and belief in his post-lapse destiny: He walked on the water. We can, too.

No, we can't. Other than in football chants, is there any evidence anywhere of anyone else even claiming to walk on water?
You are missing the point. Humans can walk on water if God gives them the power. Jesus tells the disciples that they would do greater things than they witnessed Jesus do.
No, you're missing the point. We can't walk on water or fly. There is no evidence that God has ever given anyone the power to do either of these things, other than this one story - which, even if it were literally true, doesn't really count, as Jesus was there in person to assist.

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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Apparently we have not quite put away childish things.

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QLib. Absolutely. Nobody has since. And won't. Not this side of being dead. On the flying front, Jesus was tempted to throw Himself off and let God do the intervening. If He could walk on water, He could fly. There's no difference in category. If He could be buoyed up against the laws of physics on sea He could be in air. OK walk on air. Flying would involve miraculous thrust. Just sayin'.

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But in the air, no traction beneath one's feet to move forward. He could hover, maybe.

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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
miraculous thrust

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miraculous thrust

Must ....... not....... make....... joke.......
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No. Must not. Sorry for my naïveté. Just DON'T.

Hmmm. The water must have resisted Him laterally, with friction surely? Just upthrust or reactive force to His weight wouldn't be enough. Without ... supernatural thrust He could have very slowly swum in air if He hovered. Or like the water, the air could have become laterally frictive where he stood? If He could walk on air, He could run and fly. But where is the boundary layer? Wherever the bottom of His foot rests? So what happens when He dives forwards? Or backflips? Tricky this theology isn't it?

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It is clear that Jesus had the same trick that Legolas and the Elves do, for treading lightly over snow and water and rock. What a pity they didn't do archery combat in Galilee, eh?

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It is clear that Jesus had the same trick that Legolas and the Elves do, for treading lightly over snow and water and rock. What a pity they didn't do archery combat in Galilee, eh?

I think the Judean People's Front actually did.

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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
Peter has a hope and belief in his post-lapse destiny: He walked on the water. We can, too.

No, we can't. Other than in football chants, is there any evidence anywhere of anyone else even claiming to walk on water?
You are missing the point. Humans can walk on water if God gives them the power. Jesus tells the disciples that they would do greater things than they witnessed Jesus do.
No, you're missing the point. We can't walk on water or fly. There is no evidence that God has ever given anyone the power to do either of these things, other than this one story - which, even if it were literally true, doesn't really count, as Jesus was there in person to assist.
So?

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Apparently we have not quite put away childish things.

If by childish things you mean pseudo-rationalsm, I agree.

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But in the air, no traction beneath one's feet to move forward. He could hover, maybe.

Rather like St. Mary of Egypt. Isn't she coming up in the calendar soon?
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
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But in the air, no traction beneath one's feet to move forward. He could hover, maybe.

Rather like St. Mary of Egypt. Isn't she coming up in the calendar soon?
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Jesus walked on the water to show that he was God (see Ps.77:16-20 especially v19) and to show that he was Lord of all creation.

This understanding then causes a possible difficulty when it comes to Peter also walking on the water, but it could be that the action thereby shows human authority over creation (the godly expression of which is stewardship, not the ungodly expression which is exploitation) and this stewardship can only be continued while a relationship is maintained with the Lord from whom the authority is derived - Jesus.

As for why Jesus did it, well, why not? It is his prerogative to demonstrate his lordship in any way he wishes to.

Just a thought.
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