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Chorister
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I can remember starting school round about the time new hymn books were bought. Everyone in the school who could read was given a hymn book. I was very pleased that I'd learnt to read before starting school, so I was the youngest person in the school to have my own hymn book. The first one I remember singing from it (rather a mouthful for a five year old) was:
Mine eyes have seen the coming of the glory of the Lord
And I remember several of the boys singing the chorus with great gusto, but to the 'teacher hit me with a ruler' words.
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Gracious rebel
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quote: Originally posted by Cathscats: When the road is fought and steep (clap, clap) Fix your eyes upon Jesus....
Rough and steep surely
This was out of 'Youth Praise' (no 96, I've just looked it up!!) and it was one of the few I was able to play on piano (as it was in C major) on the rare occasions when our regular pianist was on holiday - this was in the 'Bible Class' when I was a teenager. On those weeks we were restricted to the four or five songs that I could play.
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Stetson
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Chorister wrote:
quote: And I remember several of the boys singing the chorus with great gusto, but to the 'teacher hit me with a ruler' words.
In Grade 3, we were allowed to bring records to school for the teacher to play, and one day a girl brought an album that contained "The Battle Hymn Of The Children"(as apparently it is known). The teacher turned it off in the middle, saying curtly "I don't like the words".
This same teacher(who could fairly be described as pint-sized) also once gave us an unprompted lecture about how the Randy Newman song Short People was offensive to short people. [ 31. March 2014, 01:07: Message edited by: Stetson ]
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Stercus Tauri
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I can't remember what we sang at Sunday school - their music was as boring as everything else about that denomination, so the memories are all from morning prayers at St Mary's Infant School: 'All Things Bright and Beautiful' was probably the first, followed by the immortal and unforgettable 'Over the Sea There are Little Brown Children'. 'Jesus Loves me, This I Know' must have been one of those, too. In my dotage, I am sure they are the songs that will come back to me. Oh - they just did!
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We had "The King of Love My Shepherd is" last night and I recalled wishing - partly out of 8 year old erotic yearning and partly out of kiwi suburban lack of comfort /physical affection - at the lines "And on his shoulder gently laid/And home rejoicing brou-ou-ght me"
Actually it was a very Good Shepherd-y service and I wished I'd worn my bush shirt...
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This is going to sound odd, but my earliest memory of "learning" a religious song was The First Nowell, in which I sang one of the verses as a duet with another girl at the school carol service when we were in Primary 2.
It's still one of my favourite carols.
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Hope I've got these words right:
Wide, wide as the ocean High as the heavens above Deep, deep as the deepest sea Is my Saviour's love. I though so unworthy Still am a child of His care For His love reaches me And His love teaches me Everywhere.
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ken
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The actions are important!
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Kaplan Corday
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quote: Originally posted by ken: The actions are important!
Especially whacking the kid either side of you on the "Wide, wide..."
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Caissa
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Tell Me the Stories of Jesus.
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I remember attending a Sunday School class with a neighbor's child, and learning "Jesus Loves Me This I Know" while wondering what the heck a Bible was (I came from a non-church-going family), how I could possibly "belong" to someone I'd never met, and what my weakness and his strength had to do with anything. It was most confusing, and the teacher didn't appreciate my efforts to sing in harmony (which was all I ever got to sing at home).
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Some memories of very early Sunday School (Methodist) days:
Climb, Climb Up Sunshine Mountain Back of the Loaf (which I didn't understand at all) Do, Lord (from summer assembly)
and also (unfortunately) KumByYa (yes, even in those distant days)
My favorites were always the ones with motions. I not so long ago convulsed a choir rehearsal by doing all the motions for 'All Things Bright & Beautiful'
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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I can't remember. I used to stand with my dad, who was choirmaster, from the time I was about 3, and I'm sure I learned all the standard Anglican hymns by the time I was about 6. Apparently I sang everything an octave higher than usual.
Probably my favourite thing I remember learning at a young age was an anthem version of Fairest Lord Jesus. Still like the tune.
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mark_in_manchester
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Maybe a tangent - but I took my kids to see Colin Buchanan last Friday. The cheese factor around the publicity, CDs my mate already had for his kids etc was so overwhelming that I expected to have a really bad time, and thought twice about taking my kids. But they loved it, and I warmed to him - he came across genuinely warm and funny, which made memory-verse songs somehow OK.
So now in my mind I have '10-9-8, God is great' and 'In Ephesians, in the bible, chapter 4 verse 32, God says be kind to one another, God says be kind to one anaaahhhhhther' rattling round my head.
6-yr old told me before school today that she was glad she's met 'a sort-of-pop-star, and not a silly one that eats drugs'.
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'Jesus Loves Me' 'Do Lord' and 'Away in a Manger' My mother tells me that when I was very small, during a very quiet moment in the Sunday service (Daddy was a priest, so was not in the pew with us), I burst into loud, vaguely tuneful song, singing, "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!" There was another moment, when the congregation *was* singing, that I sang along, but with my own song: "What do you do with a drunken sailor, earl-eye in the morning!" - Anne L.
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Chorister
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When I was finally allowed to go to Evensong (after begging for about a year), I was able to take my lovely Christening present - a BCP with hymns in the back. I loved to peer at the tiny writing and sing along. The main one I can remember was 'hearts and minds and hands and voices' (Angel Voices Ever Singing). It's still a favourite now.
Later, I was able to join the choir (our church being forward thinking enough to allow girls to join - although only boys could be crucifer and serve in the sanctuary). The hymn I had to sing for audition was one I'd never heard before 'Faithful Shepherd Feed me' - I remember stumbling over the 3rd line as I wasn't too good at reading music at first. But they still let me in!
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Kelly Alves
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quote: Originally posted by Tulfes: Hope I've got these words right:
Wide, wide as the ocean High as the heavens above Deep, deep as the deepest sea Is my Saviour's love. I though so unworthy Still am a child of His care For His love reaches me And His love teaches me Everywhere.
Hee! This was what I used for morning calisthenics in one of my preschool classes. I was going to say "Jesus loves me" was my first,but come to think of it, "Rise and Shine" evokes earlier memories for me.
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Chamois
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I remember "Wide, wide as the ocean", "Jesus bids us shine" and "the wise man built his house upon the rock" from Sunday school. I don't know when I learned them, but definitely before I learned to read. My family went to church every week so I knew most of the usual hymns and choruses before I started school.
A couple of years ago I was at a service in a church where a "worship group" usually leads the singing, but something went wrong with the laptop and the thing that projects the words of the songs onto a screen stopped working. The vicar got us all singing "Wide, wide as the ocean", with actions, and it turned out that everyone knew the words!
The old ones are the best ones.
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In my first year at primary school at the end of the day we would put the chairs up on the desks and then all sing the last verse of Away in a manger: 'Be near me, Lord Jesus, I ask thee to stay close by me ...' which must be the first religious song I learned. On the occasions that I get to sing this carol at Christmas it takes me right back to being five years old again.
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Not the first song but... at my primary school we used to sing grace before lunch every day: Thank you for the world so sweet, Thank you for food we eat, That you for the birds that sing, Thank you, God, for everything.
Trite but it has stuck in the mind.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Don't know if it's the oldest I can remember, but there was a song that now drives me mad because 40 years later all I can remember of it is a line "the apple and cherry tree row after row" and the refrain "for the maker says so".
Or something like that; as I say, 40 years.
Google comes up diddly-squat. Anyone know?
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Boogie
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I was around seven years old.
It was 'There is a Green Hill far away'.
I was a sensitive child and came home and wept buckets because I took it to mean that I had personally caused Jesus such pain.
It was the verse -
"We may not know, we cannot tell, what pains he had to bear, but we believe it was for us he hung and suffered there."
which did me in.
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Chamois
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider: quote: there was a song that now drives me mad because 40 years later all I can remember of it is a line "the apple and cherry tree row after row" and the refrain "for the maker says so".
Or something like that; as I say, 40 years.
I remember singing a very long song at school which included a the words, "the beans and potatoes row after row" with the refrain "onward ever onward go"
Could this be the same one?
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I think it was "Jesus Bids Us Shine" - not from Sunday school, for I never went, but from my mum, God rest her, who sang incessantly around the house. She had a varied repertoire and this was quite likely to have been sung in almost the same breath as "White Cliffs of Dover" or "Mademoiselle L'Amour" (zat naughty naughty girl of gay Paree).
Nen - humming to herself.
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Stercus Tauri
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I'm starting to worry about my brain... Another one just returned from the depths:
O that I had wings of angels, Here to spread and heavenward fly! I would seek the gates of Zion, Far beyond the starry sky.
Googling it just now, I see it has many verses that I don't remember, and words that 5 year olds probably wouldn't have sung. Perhaps we just sang the chorus. Anyone else remember it? Since we learned by ear, I never understood the line that said "...Heaven would fly."
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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quote: Originally posted by Chamois: Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider: quote: there was a song that now drives me mad because 40 years later all I can remember of it is a line "the apple and cherry tree row after row" and the refrain "for the maker says so".
Or something like that; as I say, 40 years.
I remember singing a very long song at school which included a the words, "the beans and potatoes row after row" with the refrain "onward ever onward go"
Could this be the same one?
Hard to imagine it wasn't. But what was the damned thing? Lyric searches bring up nowt!
It's really really bugging me!
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I learned "Lord of the Dance" at a very early age, but I hadn't realised the cosmic significance and depth of what it says until its recent appearance on Rev reminded me of the words. It is so totally not a kids' song about dancing.
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My sister taught me Away in a Manger the year beforeI started school and I was very disappointed that we didn't sing that hymn when I started school in February. I had to wait until the very end of the year!!!!
I have a vivid memory of my first school assembly into which us 5 year olds were immersed without any explanation or preparation and being totally perplexed by the Doxology, "Praise God from whom all blessings flow/Praise Him all Creatures here below/Praise Him above ye Heavenly host/Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
I am sure I didn't catch most of it but the "Holy Ghost" at the end was unmistakeable and I was totally confused that they were singing a very solemn song about something as made up as ghosts. Obviously I had never darkened the doorstep of a church with my parents since my baptism at the age of about 6months.
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Stercus Tauri
The words you quote are the refrain of a hymn by Sabine Baring-Gould that gives a Victorian vision of the eternal city; it is in the Mission Services section of the English Hymnal (568): first verse is Daily, daily sing the praises Of the City God hath made; In the beauteous fields of Eden Its foundation-stones are laid:
Probably never sung today but the tune (also called Daily, daily) is used for Ye who own the faith of Jesus.
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A hymn that begins "Thank you for giving me the morning".
One with a chorus "There's water, water of life, Jesus gives us the water of life".
And one that must have been to do with a particular link or missional activity, with words that went: "Come all you people/children (?) Sing to our Father Share what we have With Sierra Leone."
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quote: Originally posted by stonespring: I think it's a Christmas song for me and most people.
Same here - probably "Away in a Manager". I also remember learnng "Lord of the Dance" at infants school - and being convinced it was about the Lord's furniture shop.
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Jestocost: I learned "Lord of the Dance" at a very early age, but I hadn't realised the cosmic significance and depth of what it says until its recent appearance on Rev reminded me of the words. It is so totally not a kids' song about dancing.
I'm not sure how widely this is known(I had only been told it once, and never looked it up until now), but that song is a lift from an old Shaker hymn.
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Jengie jon
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Uh no. The tune is either known as "Simple Gifts" or "based on a Shaker Hymn" or sometimes "Appalachian Spring" from Aaron Copelands reworking.
However, the words to "Lord of the Dance" are Sydney Carters own work and very different from the words of the hymn "Tis a gift to be simple", more verses can be found here.
Setting different words to the same hymn tune is so old, I'd hate to call it lifting.
Did you know you can dance the Gay Gordons to the tune; so it may be even older and based on a folk tune.
Jengie [ 07. May 2014, 18:11: Message edited by: Jengie Jon ]
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Panda
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Certainly 'Jesus loves me, this I know' goes back almost to birth; also 'Holy Spirit, hear us,' and (yes, in the 1980s!) 'God sees the little sparrow fall,' all taught by a Sunday School teacher with a gift for exaggerated vowels, that we had lots of fun imitating later on.
The first anthem I remember learning (and still know!), from a summer choir camp, age 8, was Bach's 'We hasten with eager yet faltering footsteps.' Still love it.
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Stetson
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quote: Setting different words to the same hymn tune is so old, I'd hate to call it lifting.
Sorry, I should have said "The tune is lifted from..." or "The tune is taken from..."[the latter to avoid insinuation of larceny].
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My earliest song was "Jesus Loves Me." Also, a couple of traditional country-gospel songs that my grandmother would play on the piano and we would sing together, "In the Garden"(the one with the refrain "and he walks with me, and he talks with me") and "The Old Rugged Cross," which made me sad.
quote: Originally posted by Stetson: Matthew Mark, Luke, and John Heard good news and they passed it on.
My dad used to say this little rhyme: "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, hold the horse while I get on." I never knew it was a parody on an actual song!
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quote: Originally posted by Mamacita: My dad used to say this little rhyme: "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, hold the horse while I get on." I never knew it was a parody on an actual song!
There's an interesting Entry on the various permutations of that rhyme.
My mother would occasionally quote the parody, so it obviously got about.
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quote: Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider: quote: Originally posted by Chamois: Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider: quote: there was a song that now drives me mad because 40 years later all I can remember of it is a line "the apple and cherry tree row after row" and the refrain "for the maker says so".
Or something like that; as I say, 40 years.
I remember singing a very long song at school which included a the words, "the beans and potatoes row after row" with the refrain "onward ever onward go"
Could this be the same one?
Hard to imagine it wasn't. But what was the damned thing? Lyric searches bring up nowt!
It's really really bugging me!
It's this one, a Percy Dearmer processional. The 4 verses given on that site are verses 1, 2, 13 and 32 (!) of Songs of Praise no. 396 which I remember idly flicking through in school assembly and wondering 'who ever sings this?' Glad Karl and Chamois did. We never did.
The verse they remember is no. 8:
- The lambs and the calves and the foals that are born,
The beans and potatoes, the roots and the corn, The apple and cherry trees, row after row: Onward! Onward ever, onward go!
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Penny S
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I deduce from all these answers that there are at least two populations of people here - the ones who sang the ones I sang at Sunday School, and the ones who learned after the 60's, when I was teaching.
But no-one has quoted the one that sort of sticks, before I recall dropping pennies (try playing that on a piano when the stool is resting on a glass window set in the floor to illuminate the basement), shining in a corner and so on, which has a line "surely my captain may depend on me, though but an armour bearer I may be" of which I can remember no more. Not very pacifist, but it appealed to my adventurous tomboy side.
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Piglet
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[tangent] quote: Originally posted by Jengie Jon: ... you can dance the Gay Gordons to the tune ...
Heretick! The Gay Gordons has to be danced to Scotland the Brave. [/tangent OFF]
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Jengie jon
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Cyberhymnal to the rescue. The quote rung a bell but of coming across it sometime later than my infancy. Not quite sure if it was during leading a Holiday Bible Club (some of the volunteers were quite a bit older than me) or just people reminiscing.
Oh wait a second Kaplan Corday posted it here in 2011.
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Penny S
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Well, thanks for that! I'm not sure that I recall the whole tune, but I'm not sure I want to, now.
For the same reason (I am reminded of in that second link) that I wrote to the editor of Come and Praise, who denied that the author meant the jet planes were military ones with their umbilical hoses. He thought they were just stacking ready to land. I have tried and tried to find another working rhyme for jewelled, and totally failed. Autumn Days was the favourite in the school I taught in. It had to be rationed. [ 09. May 2014, 17:57: Message edited by: Penny S ]
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Definitely All Things Bright And Beautiful, and He Who Would Valiant Be.
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quote: Originally posted by Panda:
The first anthem I remember learning (and still know!), from a summer choir camp, age 8, was Bach's 'We hasten with eager yet faltering footsteps.' Still love it.
What a great choir camp that must have been! 'The Hurry Duet,' as we always called it, would have been far beyond most choir campers I've worked with. But I love the piece, and have programmed it for one of the Sundays this summer, when our soprano and mezzo section leaders can both be present.
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Panda
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It was awesome, and gave me both a love of great church music, and the ability to sing it while watching the conductor almost all the time, because we actually learnt quite a lot by rote, no doubt why I still remember it.
Still going strong, more than 50 years on. School of Church Music, Diocese of Fredericton
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Chamois
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Originally posted by Wednesbury:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider: quote:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
there was a song that now drives me mad because 40 years later all I can remember of it is a line "the apple and cherry tree row after row" and the refrain "for the maker says so".
Or something like that; as I say, 40 years.
I remember singing a very long song at school which included a the words, "the beans and potatoes row after row" with the refrain "onward ever onward go"
Could this be the same one?
Hard to imagine it wasn't. But what was the damned thing? Lyric searches bring up nowt!
It's really really bugging me!
It's this one, a Percy Dearmer processional. The 4 verses given on that site are verses 1, 2, 13 and 32 (!) of Songs of Praise no. 396 which I remember idly flicking through in school assembly and wondering 'who ever sings this?' Glad Karl and Chamois did. We never did.
The verse they remember is no. 8: The lambs and the calves and the foals that are born, The beans and potatoes, the roots and the corn, The apple and cherry trees, row after row: Onward! Onward ever, onward go!
Wednesbury, thanks so much for finding this. I couldn't even remember the hymn book we used at school but of course you are right, it was Hymns of Praise.
I remember it as very long but I don't think even my school would have made us sing 32 verses.....
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