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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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You've got moron on your side IngoB. Best of British luck with that...
I'm glad your intention isn't to proselytize. My temptation to chuck the whole Christianity thing in the bin always seems to be strongest after reading your contributions.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Fellowship.
Nice try, but I'm not letting you off the hook that easy. You made a lot of hay out of the military analogy, now bring it home to the barn by telling us just what Christians must do these days to have such military-analogous "fellowship" with each other.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Sorry to break it to you, but Aquinas is dead. You might find it easier hanging around a bunch of theology books, but that's not what Christian living is about. At all. Ever. Hanging about with real people is what puts your doxy into praxis.
I happen to believe that Aquinas is alive in Christ, is doing his part in shaping this world, spiritually, and can be communicated with in prayer. As are all the saints.
And just out of curiosity, do you think that I'm some kind of hermit, or something?
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Praying too saints. Another fairy tale brought to us by the one true church (tm).
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
You've got moron on your side IngoB. Best of British luck with that...
I'm glad your intention isn't to proselytize. My temptation to chuck the whole Christianity thing in the bin always seems to be strongest after reading your contributions.
Well, don't let ME stop you.
And on a tangent: what's Martyn Joseph up to these days?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by moron:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
You've got moron on your side IngoB. Best of British luck with that...
I'm glad your intention isn't to proselytize. My temptation to chuck the whole Christianity thing in the bin always seems to be strongest after reading your contributions.
Well, don't let ME stop you.
I'm fairly sure that wouldn't be the direction of your influence.
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And on a tangent: what's Martyn Joseph up to these days?
I'm sure Google is your friend.
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Doc Tor
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Fellowship.
Nice try, but I'm not letting you off the hook that easy. You made a lot of hay out of the military analogy, now bring it home to the barn by telling us just what Christians must do these days to have such military-analogous "fellowship" with each other.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Sorry to break it to you, but Aquinas is dead. You might find it easier hanging around a bunch of theology books, but that's not what Christian living is about. At all. Ever. Hanging about with real people is what puts your doxy into praxis.
I happen to believe that Aquinas is alive in Christ, is doing his part in shaping this world, spiritually, and can be communicated with in prayer. As are all the saints.
And just out of curiosity, do you think that I'm some kind of hermit, or something?
I'm not on any kind of hook (seriously, do you think people owe you answers? Dude...), but as I'm passing.
I'm absolutely certain you understand what I mean by fellowship (and yes, I think you prefer to interact with dead ideas than you do with messy, complicated, contradictory, living people). If you genuinely don't, ask your priest.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I'm not on any kind of hook (seriously, do you think people owe you answers? Dude...), but as I'm passing.
If people assert some stuff about me, which is rather vague and open to all sorts of interpretations but clearly intended to be a critique or even an insult, then I do think that they have a duty to at least explain what they are trying to say. Obviously, your typical random asshole might shirk this duty, but since you are definitely engaging in charitable Christian correction here I'm sure that you can find the time to explain your words.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I'm absolutely certain you understand what I mean by fellowship (and yes, I think you prefer to interact with dead ideas than you do with messy, complicated, contradictory, living people). If you genuinely don't, ask your priest.
But no priest I have ever known, and I've know quite a few and a couple fairly closely, has ever suggested that I am failing my brothers in arms in the battle line where I ought to be fighting shoulder to shoulder with them against the common enemy. You have. So this Christian fellowship that you are proposing seems rather interesting, and I would like to hear more about it. From you.
And FWIW, while I'm certainly not Mr Social personified, I'm no autistic wallflower either.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
And the other parts of Catholicism that I really appreciate are personal. And I really am a rather private person. In case of doubt, I think my personal stuff is none of your business.
True, but if all anyone ever sees of you is posts that give the distinct impression that you regard your faith primarily as an intellectual exercise and these boards an arena where you can refine your debating technique, you can't really be surprised if people respond to you accordingly.
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Doc Tor
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As Ariel says, the only way we can tell who you are here, is what you write here.
Since you come over as a bit of a dick, I've no particular emotional investment in taking this any further. Other shipmates, sure. You, no.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Originally posted by Ariel:
True, but if all anyone ever sees of you is posts that give the distinct impression that you regard your faith primarily as an intellectual exercise and these boards an arena where you can refine your debating technique, you can't really be surprised if people respond to you accordingly.
I tend to be rather surprised when they do. It is quite rare.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Since you come over as a bit of a dick, I've no particular emotional investment in taking this any further. Other shipmates, sure. You, no.
It's OK, I think I've made my point sufficiently.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Perhaps but we have no shortage of people claiming to be in search of one. They'll condemn fundamentalists for being ignorant and then condemn intellectuals like IngoB for lacking a heart. You can't have it both ways.
Sure you can. Because one can be an intellectual and NOT an asshole. There are some. Dafyd is one, for example, as is Lamb Chopped.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
I consider SoF to be basically faith-destroying, an acid bath of negativity,
O! O! the irony.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Why, thank you, Mousethief! Quite the nicest compliment I've had in a long, long time. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Yeah, we have our moments, but I always respect your knowledge and wisdom.
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IngoB
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So, off the top of my head, here are some things I have revealed about my personal life on SoF:
My first name; how old I am; where I live now; all places where I have lived before; my marital status; how many children I have and how old they are; my education; my higher education; my job now and all the jobs I have had previously; what I think about my job(s) and my (previous) employer(s); what religion I follow; which religions I used to follow; how, why and when I changed from one religion to another; what denomination I belong to; how, why and when I joined that denomination; details of my baptism / confirmation / marriage ceremony; what attitude I have to doctrine; what I think about liturgy; what my favourite methods of prayer are; what religious and mystical experiences I've had; what I think about those religious and mystical experiences; what music I like and what music I like to sing; what churches I have attended; what I think about the services in these churches; what I think about the priests I have encountered; what I think about my past and present bishops; what I think about past and present popes; what my biggest gripes are with Church life and sermons in particular; what I like and do not like about Church governance; what religious literature I like to read; how I practice in Lent; how I pray the rosary; what parts of Christian practice I struggle with; what sins I tend to commit; how I deal with being sinful; that I've watched porn and know far too much about that sort of thing; that I have encountered rape and suicide and death; what foods and drinks I enjoy with particular focus on whisk(e)y; what I do for entertainment; what games I play on the computer; how you could contact me and play with me on Steam and Minecraft; what I have done and do to keep fit; what martial arts I have practiced and how I think about them; what my parents and my brother do for a living and how they stand to religion; how I see my general political position; what I think about various political issues, from voting over the EU to ways of running the economy; what I think about schooling in the UK and elsewhere; how I feel about my own upbringing; how I feel about bouncing around the world; what poetry I like to read; what the weather has been like where I live; what languages I speak; how I learned English while being an exchange student in the USA; how I learned Dutch while working in the Netherlands; ...
I probably could come up with a lot more, if I gave it some thought. Oh, and of course I have attended about half a dozen Shipmeets in person, and I invited Shipmates to my baptism (and thanks for coming, Ian). Do I expect anybody to have taken note of all this stuff and remember it? No, in fact that would be a tad creepy. My point is rather simple this: If all you ever remember about me on SoF is some intellectual battle over some doctrine, then is that really so because that's all I ever talk about?
To be fair, I have a clear focus here on what I'm interested in here and you will indeed find me mostly engaged in some intellectual battle or the other. So I'm not blaming anyone for considering this as my thing, because it is, and then either engaging with that or not. I'm good with that, really, I am. But if you then turn this into all I am and do here and start dissing me for it, then I find that a rather remarkable expression of "fellowship".
And before we get into how I do not in turn care about the personal lives of other Shipmates. Well, yeah. Once more, I have stated what I am here for. And it is not to become your intimate friend. That said, I remember who K went out with, what medical condition M has and what medication he takes, where L's husband hails from and what he suffered, what religion E's mother has and what conflicts that brings, where B is pastor, the topic of Z's PhD and how to find R's real name. I remember the retreat Y went to, the false results A almost published, where T works, how fast D runs and that R has cats to keep her company. Etc. But it just is not what I've come here to talk about. Mostly. Sorry to disappoint. Can me move on?
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Evensong
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Probably not.
Most people mainly remember the negative things.
When I was forever dogpiled I would have easily said much the same as your shappeal above. I couldn't believe people didn't see my whole personality the Ship. What were they, blind?
Fraid so.
I for one believe you'd be quite an acceptable specimen in real life.
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South Coast Kevin
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But being able to remember many details that people have shared isn't the same as caring (and showing you care) about those details. Some people simply have excellent memories!
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Zach82
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I'm not sure I fall for this narrative of IngoB being here to simply argue ideas and simply can't be bothered to care about other shipmates. I have little doubt that he actually believes this narrative, but I think he's pretty actively malicious far more often than he admits, and more than this thread would imply. Which is too bad, because one of the board's more odious posters also happens to be one of the few people around with anything interesting to argue about.
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Robert Armin
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by Ariel:
True, but if all anyone ever sees of you is posts that give the distinct impression that you regard your faith primarily as an intellectual exercise and these boards an arena where you can refine your debating technique, you can't really be surprised if people respond to you accordingly.
I tend to be rather surprised when they do. It is quite rare.
You are surprised that people think "you regard your faith primarily as an intellectual exercise and these boards an arena where you can refine your debating technique"? Really? And such a response to you is "rare"? Really? ![[Confused]](confused.gif) Are you sure you're not on a different board to the one I'm reading?
mousethief: quote:
Because one can be an intellectual and NOT an asshole. There are some. Dafyd is one, for example, as is Lamb Chopped.
Another, IMSVHO, is your good lady wife, Josephine. It might make a pleasant Heaven thread to see how many other names we could add.
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Ariston
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Please don't. We generally don't like to play games of "let's rank members!" or "look at who's my buddy!" here. It didn't end well in middle school, it doesn't end well here.
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Robert Armin
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Point taken Ariston. It wasn't my intention to cause problems, just to praise the deserving, so happy to withdraw the idea.
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I can understand IngoB's surprise to some extent. Although he obviously appraches the discussions on here from a very cerebral perspective, we don't usually engage in subjects to the extent he does or spend the amount of time he does, without there being a strong emotional pull or payback. A physicist may write a very dry academic paper on the TOE, but underneath the dry equations will be an deep attraction to mystery, an intellectual curiosity or an aesthetic love of the beauty of pure mathematical forms.
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Mertseger
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Originally posted by IngoB:
If you actually believed in heaven and hell, mortal sin, all that stuff, what would you have to do if you wanted to be your brother's keeper?
ISTM, poor Pagan that I am, that question is the crux of your dilemma right there. The witch who trained me showed me the obvious thing that when you have such soul-wracking questions, the best thing to do is ask the spirit in question directly and see what response you get. Not so much WWJD, but WWYD, J? His answer might surprise you. He did genuinely seem to enjoy hanging with whores and tax collectors. He seems to enjoy people. He seems to delight in all of us. In particular, he delights in you. Though I suspect all Scholasticism new and old makes him LOL in a "what will they come up with next?" kind of way.
I know that this dog-pile is wearing on you, but, having no stakes in this game, I have to say I see a fuck-ton of love in this thread directed towards you compared to similar past incidents with others.
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The Body of Christ,
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Jengie jon
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Mertseger
Not quite sure why I found it so, but I found that one of the most thought provoking posts on discernment I have seen on these boards. I am going to spend some time thinking about it and why it provokes such a strong reaction.
Jengie
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Not so much WWJD, but WWYD, J?
Thankyou Mertseger.
This takes the focus off me and my interpretations and personalises and contemporises the question. I like this searching approach rather than the 'I have the answer' approach which for me WWJD seems to suggest.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Please don't. We generally don't like to play games of "let's rank members!" or "look at who's my buddy!" here. It didn't end well in middle school, it doesn't end well here.
Damn right! That's why it actually says "We don't have member ratings because we hate them" somewhere or other.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Please don't. We generally don't like to play games of "let's rank members!" or "look at who's my buddy!" here. It didn't end well in middle school, it doesn't end well here.
Damn right! That's why it actually says "We don't have member ratings because we hate them" somewhere or other.
Comments like this are why you rate in my Top Ten.
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I have a Top Thirty-Seven, but I'll take the list to my grave.
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Are these two IngoB wearing a Kamilavka, or is it the other way around? No point having any sort of discussion with either.
Many thanks to PaulTH on the Ecumenical Council thread in Purg for the link.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Are these two IngoB wearing a Kamilavka, or is it the other way around? No point having any sort of discussion with either.
Augh! I was thinking of starting a thread on those two assholes. Religion brings out the worst in humanity, or something.
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Are these two IngoB wearing a Kamilavka, or is it the other way around?
I found that link remarkably funny. Not for the views expressed, which are odious whomever they come from, but for the squeaking about how unacceptable those views are when aimed towards the RCC. It's a classic of the "they can dish it out, but they can't take it" genre.
That's got nothing to do with IngoB, of course. I can't picture him doing any such squeaking in response to a challenge like that. In fact I have a suspicion that he'd enjoy tackling such a gloves-off approach more than the usual "why can't we all just get along" stuff he gets here on a regular basis.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Gee D:
Are these two IngoB wearing a Kamilavka, or is it the other way around?
I found that link remarkably funny. Not for the views expressed, which are odious whomever they come from, but for the squeaking about how unacceptable those views are when aimed towards the RCC. It's a classic of the "they can dish it out, but they can't take it" genre.
That's got nothing to do with IngoB, of course. I can't picture him doing any such squeaking in response to a challenge like that. In fact I have a suspicion that he'd enjoy tackling such a gloves-off approach more than the usual "why can't we all just get along" stuff he gets here on a regular basis.
Oddly the first thought I got while reading the link was (is such hope a sin? ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif) ) wanting to see all of those people brawling, like Saddam wanted W to do.
They could sell enough tickets on Pay Per View to fund things for quite some time.
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Originally posted by South Coast Kevin:
But being able to remember many details that people have shared isn't the same as caring (and showing you care) about those details. Some people simply have excellent memories!
I do have a well organised memory. It keeps track of things I consider relevant, and it forgets the rest. If you are waiting for the moment where all this turns into hugs and kisses and how are the kids, then you will wait in vain I'm afraid. I just don't want to take it there.
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Originally posted by Zach82:
I have little doubt that he actually believes this narrative, but I think he's pretty actively malicious far more often than he admits, and more than this thread would imply.
I'll admit that your craving for intellectual affirmation and your high emotional investment into doctrine and denomination is tempting. And occasionally I give in to temptation and poke you a bit. But frankly, I would feel a lot worse about that if the resulting grudge-bearing wasn't quite so obvious and overblown. In German I would say "du spielst die beleidigte Leberwurst" (literally: "you are acting the part of the insulted liver sausage"), but I can't find a juicy English equivalent ("you are a sorehead" is too direct).
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
You are surprised that people think "you regard your faith primarily as an intellectual exercise and these boards an arena where you can refine your debating technique"? Really? And such a response to you is "rare"? Really?
No, I'm surprised on the rare occasion when they respond accordingly, rather than taking this as some kind of personal insult.
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Originally posted by Mertseger:
The witch who trained me showed me the obvious thing that when you have such soul-wracking questions, the best thing to do is ask the spirit in question directly and see what response you get. Not so much WWJD, but WWYD, J? His answer might surprise you. He did genuinely seem to enjoy hanging with whores and tax collectors. He seems to enjoy people. He seems to delight in all of us. In particular, he delights in you.
Did your witch also teach you how to change topics in mid argument, covering up the old bait and switch in emotional appeal? Because that's what you just did there... The question "WWYD, J?" is explicitly answered by the (Son of) Man Himself concerning the soul-wracking question of heaven and hell, in the scriptures I believe in. How Jesus interacted with whores and tax collectors is a different topic again. One where incidentally you seem to have done quite a bit of selective reading, missing out on Jesus saying things like "Go and sin no more," or "Collect no more than is appointed to you."
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Originally posted by Mertseger:
I know that this dog-pile is wearing on you, but, having no stakes in this game, I have to say I see a fuck-ton of love in this thread directed towards you compared to similar past incidents with others.
Well, indeed, and my sincere thanks to those who have written in support.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
That's got nothing to do with IngoB, of course. I can't picture him doing any such squeaking in response to a challenge like that. In fact I have a suspicion that he'd enjoy tackling such a gloves-off approach more than the usual "why can't we all just get along" stuff he gets here on a regular basis.
Well, no. I have a keen sense of decorum and occasion. If say the EcuPat joined SoF, and started to propose false doctrine here, then I would have a go at him exactly as with any other Shipmate. But if I were to write to the EcuPat, then I would pay my full respect to his position and if I considered it appropriate to use this occasion to put into question Orthodox doctrine (in itself highly unlikely!), then I would phrase this as politely and accommodatingly as I could. Likewise, if I was invited to a closed workshop among theologians and bishops to look at differences and commonalities of RC and Orthodox teachings, then I would speak candidly and clearly to this professional assembly. However, if then an official statement for the press was prepared, I would seek to smooth the edges and even to gloss over some of the confrontations that occurred. If you stand up in public, and in particular if you assume the mantle of authority, then serious responsibility attaches to your words. This cannot be taken lightly. I'm not a religious "professional", but I am a professional in my field, and I know how to spot the time and the season for clear words and diplomacy, respectively. Furthermore, these sorts of full frontal attacks in public rarely mean the person / institution being attacked anyhow. If it was my professional duty to deal with the Orthodox from the RC side, I would now look closely at whom these bishops are really talking to on the Orthodox side, what fault lines in the Orthodox communion this reveals and how one could work this internal conflict towards RC goals.
All that said, I really would love to have a look at the original document (in English). Does anyone have a link to it?
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Zach82
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Gee, IngoB, I was in such suspense of the possibility of you seeing the error of your ways and turning over a new leaf. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
And that's "Sie spielen" to the likes of you, danke.
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mdijon
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Does anyone have a link to it?
Have fun.
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ɯqıɿou uoɿıqɯ nojidm mdijon
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Jemima the 9th
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You beat me to it! I love the description of the letter as "a mile long". Kerouac would be proud.
[And thanks for your kind reply to me earlier, Ingo.]
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orfeo
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I'm using Duolingo to revive my high school German. I'm now rather gutted that "Du spielst die beleidigte Leberwurst" hasn't appeared in the lessons yet.
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Zach82
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm using Duolingo to revive my high school German. I'm now rather gutted that "Du spielst die beleidigte Leberwurst" hasn't appeared in the lessons yet.
Well, no one ever said IngoB wasn't informative.
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orfeo
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Indeed.
I suspect the problem is there haven't been enough lessons on adjectives yet.
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Zach82
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Leider is the adverb, if you are out for a word of the day. It shows up a lot in day to day German.
[ 17. April 2014, 12:25: Message edited by: Zach82 ]
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Originally posted by mdijon:
Have fun.
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The spiritual shallowness, which you inspire in your simple-minded followers, is unbelievable.
There is no shortage of sig material.
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And I keep thinking of posting a Heaven thread about 'unbelievable'.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm using Duolingo to revive my high school German. I'm now rather gutted that "Du spielst die beleidigte Leberwurst" hasn't appeared in the lessons yet.
My German isn't much good, but that's NSFW isn't it?
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Net Spinster
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The letter from the metropolitans also contains a dose of anti-semitism
"We remind you of the act of restoration of the name Judah and of the act of exoneration of the Jewish people for the crucifixion of Christ, which was performed by His former Excellency, Benedict XVI, while Judaism now and throughout time with the satanic Kabbalah and the demonic Talmud crucify daily the Savior of the world! Who, then, could believe that you were chosen by the Holy Spirit and not by the powerful ones of this world?"
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"Can it really be possible, we ask, that you are also not aware as the “Christian Pope” that the hideous Global Zionism, which was condemned as extremely racist by the U.N. (when the U.N. was truly free) changed the theism of the Old Testament and the Prophets into shameful Satanism, with the demonic Kabbalah and the vulgar Talmud, work of the demonized Rabbis of fallen Judaism and of their ideals regarding world wide government and domination, through the still awaited false messiah, namely Antichrist?"
Freemasons, atheists, Muslims, ordination of women, gays, interference with Greece's support of the Orthodox Church (their salaries from the government, mandatory Orthodox teaching in the schools), Peter the Apostle was never in Rome, Paul the Apostle wasn't killed there. The letter seems to cover everything.
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Mertseger
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Did your witch also teach you how to change topics in mid argument, covering up the old bait and switch in emotional appeal? Because that's what you just did there... The question "WWYD, J?" is explicitly answered by the (Son of) Man Himself concerning the soul-wracking question of heaven and hell, in the scriptures I believe in. How Jesus interacted with whores and tax collectors is a different topic again. One where incidentally you seem to have done quite a bit of selective reading, missing out on Jesus saying things like "Go and sin no more," or "Collect no more than is appointed to you."
Sigh. No, she taught me to respect the intelligence of others by presenting bread crumbs, and allowing bright people (like you!) to reach conclusions on their own since doing so is spiritually more effective. Here's another: what did Jesus do immediately before (and after!) saying those two things? No one here is arguing that Jesus did not teach or transmit doctrine. I'm certainly not arguing that you do not know your understand the doctrine of your faith. What then could I possibly be suggesting?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm using Duolingo to revive my high school German. I'm now rather gutted that "Du spielst die beleidigte Leberwurst" hasn't appeared in the lessons yet.
My German isn't much good, but that's NSFW isn't it?
Ingo already translated it, dear.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I'm using Duolingo to revive my high school German. I'm now rather gutted that "Du spielst die beleidigte Leberwurst" hasn't appeared in the lessons yet.
My German isn't much good, but that's NSFW isn't it?
Ingo already translated it, dear.
And what you all do on your own time with insulted liverwursts is your own business, one I'll be having no part in.
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moron
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Originally posted by Net Spinster:
The letter seems to cover everything.
So: John Lear is a piker?
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IngoB
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Originally posted by Zach82:
And that's "Sie spielen" to the likes of you, danke.
Sicher doch. (Of course.)
Anyone who wants to exercise their German should try this poem. I promise, it will explain a lot about me. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) (It's also basically non-translatable, since it uses a play on words that cannot be mapped to English.)
quote:
Originally posted by mdijon:
Have fun.
Wow, this is even better than I thought it would be. But with what authority do these Orthodox bishops write here? What does the Vatican Insider mean by "It is quite surprising therefore, that their comments are tolerated by the Synod of the Greek Orthodox Church?" Simply that this has not been condemned (yet)?
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Originally posted by Mertseger:
No, she taught me to respect the intelligence of others by presenting bread crumbs, and allowing bright people (like you!) to reach conclusions on their own since doing so is spiritually more effective.
Hmm... You are on a pilgrimage to the Holy Caesar Salad?
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Mertseger
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by Mertseger:
No, she taught me to respect the intelligence of others by presenting bread crumbs, and allowing bright people (like you!) to reach conclusions on their own since doing so is spiritually more effective.
Hmm... You are on a pilgrimage to the Holy Caesar Salad?
Now you're getting it.
Take this romaine, for it is my crisp over-intellectualization.
Take this anchovy, for it is my salty argumentation.
Take this egg-yolk, for it is my gooey defensiveness.
Take this parmesan, for it is my hard-headedness.
Take and eat it in the good company of our fellow ship-mates.
Do so in remembrance of me.
(Believe me: I fight using the stone monkey of my intellect all the time, and Sun Wukong carries, as the tales record, a big stick. But sometimes his fighting prowess impedes the journey, particularly for those I'm supposed to be helping along the way.)
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