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Thread: Humanae Vitae - monstrous hubris
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art dunce
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I don't know which is sadder; then idea that married couples should have marriages without the comfort and bonding of regular, loving sexual relations or the idea that married women have no place outside the home unless they are celibate within marriage. The majority of medical students are now woman, half of engineering students, the majority of primary teachers , etc . Women have irreplaceable gifts and talents to bring to society and the world and this cannot happen if we are perpetually pregnant. A considered and responsible life takes planning and most of us have finite resources. I have a friend who is a surgeon and she is already booked out 18 months for people needing her help. She should deny her husband sex because she's already made a commitment to these sick and injured people? Or does marriage imply a commitment to be forever pregnant like our beleaguered grandmothers? As an older woman who has been married for over 25 years sex becomes less about hot and bothered and more about clinging tenaciously to one another with deep love amidst a chaotic life. To reduce it to a base animal impulse is an insult to loving people. It's not a bag of candy; it's a lifeboat.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Not necessarily: I'm sure my three-year old would be very happy if I gave him a bag of sweets every day, but it wouldn't be very loving of me to do it.
Because that much sweets is bad for you. Are you saying frequent or regular sexual relations are bad for a married couple? Do you have theology or science to back you up on that? Or is this an irrelevant and decidedly disanalogous straw man?
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seekingsister
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Originally posted by art dunce:
As an older woman who has been married for over 25 years sex becomes less about hot and bothered and more about clinging tenaciously to one another with deep love amidst a chaotic life. To reduce it to a base animal impulse is an insult to loving people. It's not a bag of candy; it's a lifeboat.
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by Twilight:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Not necessarily: I'm sure my three-year old would be very happy if I gave him a bag of sweets every day, but it wouldn't be very loving of me to do it.
So you think that it's detrimental to the health of a married couple to have sex every day or even once a week, which would be often enough to keep that perpetual pregnancy thing going?
Nope to both of you: I disagree with the RCC on this issue; I was pointing out that there are however exceptions to Marvin's 'rule' that it is not loving to say no to people on occasions; however, I don't think this example is one of them.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Nope to both of you: I disagree with the RCC on this issue; I was pointing out that there are however exceptions to Marvin's 'rule' that it is not loving to say no to people on occasions; however, I don't think this example is one of them.
Fair enough; thanks for clarifying.
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Originally posted by art dunce:
The majority of medical students are now woman, half of engineering students, the majority of primary teachers , etc .
Strangely under represented in the RC priesthood.
(The rest of your post is terrific!)
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Chesterbelloc
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Originally posted by L'organist:
I know of an RC priest who asks incredibly invasive questions of a couple enquiring about a wedding if the bride could be described as of mature years. I'm told that he will move heaven and earth not to take weddings where the bride is over 50...
He told a friend's son in marriage preparation (!) that sex for enjoyment was a sin, and that one should keep God at the forefront of one's mind during 'the act'. Added in that since FS was marrying a non-catholic he should resist all attempts by her to lure him in 'hedonistic' sex - likened his future bride to Eve.
This priest is under 40 and went to the English College in Rome after being educated at a well-known boarding school run by a monastic order so is either a very rare aberration or is reflecting what he has learned during his formative years in RC institutions.
This smells so bad to me on so many counts that I'm off to buy my fallible old bullshit detector a drink to celebrate its sniffing it out. I don't doubt for a second, L'O, that you believe this account to be unquestionable, and you're in a much better position that I am to check it out, but I'm so not buying it that my credit card is taking a nice long holiday.
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