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North East Quine
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Interested to note that according to Commonwealth Games medal ceremonies, Jerusalem is the English national anthem.
I think they tried Land of Hope and Glory. It never sounded right to me (difficult to jump straight into the chorus with the build up). I think this is probably a better choice.
I wish we had something other than "Flower of Scotland" but none of the alternatives are so easy to sing as a single chorus. (Except "Scots Wha Hae" which is even more martial than "Flower of Scotland.")
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Originally posted by RuthW:
I probably wouldn't have ever known these games were being held if shamwari hadn't given them this free publicity.
Bet you're grateful ![[Biased]](wink.gif) . Other people change channels, but shamwari keeps watching so they've got something to complain about!!!!
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Rose of Allendale would be fairly fab.
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Anglican't
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Fact is that millions of £££s have been spent on a 2nd Division contest and that justifies the hyberbole
There can be a knock-on effect: IOC officials were present at the Commonwealth Games in Manchester in 2002 and were impressed at what they saw. Three years later, Britain put in a bid for the Olympic Games and won. These two things weren't a co-incidence.
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luvanddaisies
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I wish the bloody english BBC announcers would bother to try to pronounce Glasgow properly. Hearing them drone "glaaaahhhhhhssgeeeooooooww" or "STRATHclyaaayyyde" is irritating. Would it really kill them to try to give the place enough respect to make the small effort to pronounce its name properly?
Other english people manage, even southerners.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by shamwari:
Fact is that millions of £££s have been spent on a 2nd Division contest and that justifies the hyberbole
There can be a knock-on effect: IOC officials were present at the Commonwealth Games in Manchester in 2002 and were impressed at what they saw. Three years later, Britain put in a bid for the Olympic Games and won. These two things weren't a co-incidence.
IIRC shamwari was pissed off about the London Olympics too.
shamwari is mourning his lost sporting youth. Maybe he was the kid who never got picked.
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deano
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It isn't difficult to avoid these things you know? I mean I managed to not watch all of the Olympics in China and again in London.
That sort of running about and throwing and stuff bores me. If it isn't football, golf or cricket then I'll find something else to do. What is hard about that?
Between this thread and the constant whining about bingo, I have to say the standard of Hell threads recently is very poor. Still, we are in the silly season, so I guess the next Hell call will be about how some people don't like skateboarding rabbits.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by deano:
I guess the next Hell call will be about how some people don't like skateboarding rabbits.
Noooo! Skateboarding bunnies are cuuuute. Specially when they do those back flips.
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luvanddaisies
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I quite liked watching the Olympics on the telly, and as I type the Commonwealth Netball is burbling away in the background, but I do object to the amount of money spent on them - and there seems precious little evidence that the London money spent has actually done anything particularly good. If the areas need regeneration, why does there need to be a massively expensive international sports-day to make the government spend the money? surely they'd spend less if they just did the work rather than forking out all the extra stuff as well. Are we really such children that things only get funding if there's a media circus and a big shiny event, and not just because it'll make people's lives better?
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quetzalcoatl
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I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc. This is added on as a kind of sweetener, but it can backfire, as in Brazil, where there has been considerable anger at large sums being spent on the World Cup, when millions of people live in poverty.
So I don't think people think, 'oh, Glasgow could do with a bit of regeneration, what possible event could we hold here?'.
As to why places want to host big events, I suppose there are many reasons, prestige, tourism, patriotism, and of course, an authentic love of sport must come somewhere on the list!
I live in London, and I thought the Olympics were an absolute blast, but not because Stratford has had a makeover. Similarly, I am enjoying the Scottish flavour of the Commonwealth Games.
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luvanddaisies
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
Exactly - it's to give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
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deano
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
Exactly - it's to give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
I agree! We need the money for the Trident upgrade.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by deano:
I agree! We need the money for the Trident upgrade.
And if you know anything about defence procurement, you'll know the cost of a Commonwealth Game or two would hardly buy even one obsolete-before-it-even-goes-into-service boat or plane.
At least with Olympics etc you see what you're getting for your money.
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deano
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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by deano:
I agree! We need the money for the Trident upgrade.
And if you know anything about defence procurement, you'll know the cost of a Commonwealth Game or two would hardly buy even one obsolete-before-it-even-goes-into-service boat or plane.
At least with Olympics etc you see what you're getting for your money.
Yes but it's like Tesco... every little helps.
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quetzalcoatl
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I think it's worth every penny just to see the Scottie dogs, with national labels on them. Cute, cute, cute!
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Firenze
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If only they'd been on skateboards....
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quetzalcoatl
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
Exactly - it's to give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
Gold medal for quote-mining there. It's not 'exactly' at all, as I go on in the rest of the post, which you generously omit, to give some other reasons.
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luvanddaisies
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
Exactly - it's to give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
Gold medal for quote-mining there. It's not 'exactly' at all, as I go on in the rest of the post, which you generously omit, to give some other reasons.
I omitted it to keep it succinct, but if you insist
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
This is added on as a kind of sweetener,
Yes, as an excuse to spend millions/billions on something unnecessary.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
but it can backfire, as in Brazil, where there has been considerable anger at large sums being spent on the World Cup, when millions of people live in poverty.
Yes, because they used the excuse of it somehow benefiting people as an excuse to spend millions/billions on something unnecessary.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
So I don't think people think, 'oh, Glasgow could do with a bit of regeneration, what possible event could we hold here?'.
No, but they look for an excuse as to why they're spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
As to why places want to host big events, I suppose there are many reasons, prestige, tourism, patriotism, and of course, an authentic love of sport must come somewhere on the list!
It's a mystery to me why there's such a desire to spend so much money on something unnecessary, but I guess all of the above, and the regeneration things help the bid to win, and give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I live in London, and I thought the Olympics were an absolute blast, but not because Stratford has had a makeover. Similarly, I am enjoying the Scottish flavour of the Commonwealth Games.
I live in London, but I'm Scottish, mostly Glaswegian. I thought the Olympics were a waste of a lot of money. I've not noticed any particularly Scottish flavour to the Commonwealth Games, but then I missed the Opening Ceremony because I was working lates that day.
The sport is all very nice, but it's a lot of money to spend on something unnecessary, and the whole "but it's for regeneration" schtick seems mostly to be a way of making an excuse for this.
I get it if nobody wanted to host it and it had to be dumped on a different nation each time in order for the events to happen, but lots of places want it. If the UK is meant to be 'doing austerity', why spend all the money.
Well, I see now that my post would have been so different if I'd quoted all of yours in the first place. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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quetzalcoatl
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luvanddaisies
I just thought your 'Exactly' was fucking bizarre, as you then came to a conclusion, almost exactly opposite to the one which I had come to, which, as I said, you kindly omitted.
Anyway, I realize that it's the internet, where the normal courtesies are dumped in a deep black hole.
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luvanddaisies
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Purgatory's upstairs, I'll do courtesy there. This one says "Hell" at the top.
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quetzalcoatl
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
Purgatory's upstairs, I'll do courtesy there. This one says "Hell" at the top.
I think misrepresentation is sort of covered on all threads as a kind of yahoo-ish baboonish trick.
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
... I wish we had something other than "Flower of Scotland" ...
We do. It's called Scotland the Brave and even when it's played on bagpipes, which I really don't like, it brings a lump to my throat. I've often thought that we'd do better in the rugby if they played it instead of that ghastly old dirge.
Just my 2p.
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Pyx_e
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So, it seems the BBC is having a holiday. It has decided that all they are going to show is spotty Welsh swimmers while the all bog of to their villas in Bordeaux for few days. Insane.
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Watched about 10 mins of the CG's last evening . Happened to be the women's Judo where the English lass got the better of the Aussie .
Kinda did it for me , don't know why .
Heard a rumour last night that the entire welsh team have been banned for taking summin , not sure if it's true ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Pyx_e
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Heard a rumour last night that the entire welsh team have been banned for taking summin ,
It's a Press Leak.
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balaam
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One word:
Gussets.
Female rhythmic gymnasts, I'm talking to you.
I want to be able to appreciate your athleticism without being distracted by your camel toes. Thank you very much.
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ecumaniac
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Originally posted by balaam:
One word:
Gussets.
Female rhythmic gymnasts, I'm talking to you.
I want to be able to appreciate your athleticism without being distracted by your camel toes. Thank you very much.
Try having a wank before you turn on the telly.
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Wesley J
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Sir needs a cuchini for 'is eyes.
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Robert Armin
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Having missed the Opening Ceremony, I thought it would be easy to find a clip on YouTube; ideally edited highlights. However, all I can find are sets of photos with a mechanical voice. Can anyone point me in the direction of something good?
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Jengie jon
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How about the BBC Highlights
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Pomona
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
Exactly - it's to give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
I agree! We need the money for the Trident upgrade.
How about a statue of Baal while you're at it?
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Penny S
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Just been catching up the opening, and there was a South African singer singing in a variety of Scots (I gather there are several) and the subtitles were in it, too. I can't be absolutely sure, given the usual accuracy of subtitles in English, that the spelling was what it should be, so getting the gist was not entirely easy.
Beautiful, though.
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deano
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I don't think that regeneration is the main reason that countries want to host big events such as the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
Exactly - it's to give an excuse for spending millions/billions on something unnecessary.
I agree! We need the money for the Trident upgrade.
How about a statue of Baal while you're at it?
That's no good! It doesn't frighten people and doesn't go BANG. No, a statue of Baal is less useful than an SSBN full of Trident D5's.
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by Penny S:
Just been catching up the opening, and there was a South African singer singing in a variety of Scots (I gather there are several) and the subtitles were in it, too. I can't be absolutely sure, given the usual accuracy of subtitles in English, that the spelling was what it should be, so getting the gist was not entirely easy.
Beautiful, though.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
If shamwari had started this thread to complain about the ugliness of the Scottish team's outfits, I'd have been right there with him. I clicked on the link in the Circus thread, and I can't unsee the horror!
Just think 'dancing Tunnock's Tea-cakes' and it'll all go away....
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Chesterbelloc
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Originally posted by luvanddaisies:
I wish the bloody english BBC announcers would bother to try to pronounce Glasgow properly. Hearing them drone "glaaaahhhhhhssgeeeooooooww" or "STRATHclyaaayyyde" is irritating. Would it really kill them to try to give the place enough respect to make the small effort to pronounce its name properly?
Other english people manage, even southerners.
WTF?
It's a long time since I've seen a post so transparently - disturbingly - nasty and stupid. The lower-case "e" was the clincher for me. Go ahead and add "shameless" to the mix by defending it, by all means. Indeed, don't stint yourself, collect a bonus epithet: get "hypocritical" thrown in free by telling me that Scots always pronounce English place names just as the locals do (or that it's not the same if they don't).
Don't worry though, folks: anti-English animus will play no part whatsoever in the support for Scottish independence in September. Nope - nary a jot. The very idea!
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RuthW
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I've been trying to figure out what's wrong with "glaaaahhhhhhssgeeeooooooww" and "STRATHclyaaayyyde".
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Firenze
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Me neither tbh. I live somewhere visitors call Edin-burg rather than Edin-burra, and the locals call Embra. We cope.
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Southern English pronounciation of Glasgow gives Glahsgoh (long a) rather than as the locals pronounce it with a short a and almost an "ay/ae" sound for the final vowel. But southern English changes the pronounciation of most place names in the north of England - Newcastle, Sunderland, the lot. Not sure what's so wrong with Strathclyde, even as a southerner I'd say that one with a short a.
As a southerner it sounds weird when I say the place names as they are said locally - because I say ba(h)th, gra(h)ss, ca(h)stle, but Newcassle having lived in Sunderland for a bit, so I'm not sure forcing the southern presenters to change the pronounciation of place names will sound any better.
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Chesterbelloc
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
the locals pronounce it with a short a and almost an "ay/ae" sound for the final vowel.
Heck, not even all the locals pronounce it that way. Different Glaswegians pronounce it differently on different occasions too. A Bearsdenizen™ would probably never pronounce it that way at all.
[Bearsden is a "toney" neighbourhood of "Glesga".]
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Firenze
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And enough of these snobby Scottish newsreaders talking about 'London' - its Lunnon innit?
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Originally posted by Chesterbelloc:
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
the locals pronounce it with a short a and almost an "ay/ae" sound for the final vowel.
Heck, not even all the locals pronounce it that way. Different Glaswegians pronounce it differently on different occasions too. A Bearsdenizen™ would probably never pronounce it that way at all.
[Bearsden is a "toney" neighbourhood of "Glesga".]
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Bearsden isn't in Glasgow, it's in the sunny world of East Dunbartonshire.
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Och awright, hen - you're right, but.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
It's a Press Leak.
Is that what happens if you try an do some of those events on a full bladder ?
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Pyx_e
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Originally posted by rolyn:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
It's a Press Leak.
Is that what happens if you try an do some of those events on a full bladder ?
If I type : "Its a press leek." can I have a lol ?
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Penny S
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NEQ, thank you. The subtitles were correct (though not always in synch). Is there anywhere I can find either a translation, or a dictionary? I can do some of it, where the words are a different spelling of words also found in English, but not all. (Or where they have been used in the Medieval/Renaissance Scottish detective stories I have developed a taste for.)
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
If I type : "Its a press leek." can I have a lol ?
Be my guest .
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Firenze
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Originally posted by Penny S:
NEQ, thank you. The subtitles were correct (though not always in synch). Is there anywhere I can find either a translation, or a dictionary?
Translation here.
Btw, did anyone see the final of the Rugby Sevens? Stoating stuff.
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