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Originally posted by JFH:

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Mind you, it would be the first booting in World Cup history.
Strictly speaking it would be the first booting for foul play on the field (AFAICR). My earliest world cup memory is Willie Johnstone being sent home for taking banned substances in Argentina '78. The same, more famously, happened to Maradona in USA '94. So FIFA have sent people home before now.

Obviously, there is a degree of subjectivity where fouls are concerned but I've never been sure why footballers get away with assaults that would probably get one a caution in private life.

On the plus side Skinner and Baddiel can reprise their "Saint and Greavsie investigate" sketch from the early '90s attempting to find why England are so rubbish and be ushered into a maximum security facility, to the strains of the Aria from the Goldberg Variations. "Saint, Greavsie... it's always good to have some old friends for dinner..."

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Originally posted by orfeo
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And it's a form of violence that takes special effort to achieve. He ran at his victim and had to duck his head down to aim at the shoulder.
Punching, kicking, head butting all involve motions that are part of the game. Think of the did he or didn't he plays. Biting is very difficult to achieve accidentally.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Originally posted by orfeo
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And it's a form of violence that takes special effort to achieve. He ran at his victim and had to duck his head down to aim at the shoulder.
Punching, kicking, head butting all involve motions that are part of the game. Think of the did he or didn't he plays. Biting is very difficult to achieve accidentally.
That's a good point. Culturally, biting is seen as a kind of animal response, beyond human culture. Check out the photo-shop at the top of the page, Suarez as a rabid dog. The other forms of violence overlap with accepted actions in soccer, since it is a physical contact sport. You can accidentally strike someone a blow, or kick them, and so on.

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Play therapists talk of having 'biters' in groups of children, and they see it quite seriously.

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Rugby is a game for thugs played by gentlemen.

Football is a game for gentlemen played by thugs

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Football is a game for gentlemen played by thugs

I don't know about that . . . all that grabbing and shoving and pushing. A gentleman would simply step aside and let the other gentleman go through with the ball if that's what he really wanted to do. [Razz]

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Originally posted by shamwari:
Football is a game for gentlemen played by thugs

I don't know about that . . . all that grabbing and shoving and pushing. A gentleman would simply step aside and let the other gentleman go through with the ball if that's what he really wanted to do. [Razz]
In the olden days it was a game played in posh schools, and even when it eventually became a professional sport it was considered unsportsmanlike to play with anything less than six forwards. Here's an interesting article: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25958046
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More prosaically, you can get blood borne infections form bites that break the skin *much* more easily than from kicks, punches and headbutts. Also, more likely to scar.

It is one thing to get a bruise, an entirely different order of impact on someone's life to get Hepatitus or HIV.

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Nigeria - Argentina has gone off like a rocket. 2 goals already, Di Maria playing like an angel.

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You can't actually remove parts of a person's body by kicking. Biting carries a greater risk of irreversible damage than other forms of fighting, is my guess as to why it is taboo.

(Wow, I page- jumped, but it worked anyway.)

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As well as that, biting just isn't normal. It's sneaky, cowardly, dirty etc. You might forgive kids for doing it in a fight but even then it's frowned upon. Anyway, I think they should allow fighting in football like they do in the NHL. Suffered a dangerous tackle? Some actor got you booked? Fistycuffs! Not biting though, that's dirty.
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I cannot agree with this. At all. It's not just biting. It's biting REPEATEDLY.

You come up with examples of other things where you refer to a single incident. A single, high-profile incident. Not someone who is biting opponents almost annually - 3 times in the space of 3.5 years.

And it's a form of violence that takes special effort to achieve. He ran at his victim and had to duck his head down to aim at the shoulder.

It's demented, and to have such a high profile player doing it is incredibly damaging to the sport.

Apparently the maximum ban that can be handed out is 2 years. It's a pity. If it were up to me he would be deregistered as a player.

Zidane had a long history of headbuttings, the penultimate one just a few games before the famous Last One if I recall correctly. That's ticks the box for Special Effort violence. (As does Gentile's sneak strike, which I have little doubt he performed more than once.) Zidane was not just any profile, but THE profile. All the same goes for Scholes' tackles, and De Jong's long history of extremely violent football behaviour. (See the height of that kick? That's special effort too.)

So it comes down to the dementedness, which you want him deregistered for. I don't agree. I also think precedent says demented behaviour like, seemingly, that of Cantona or Roy Keane (holding a grudge for a couple of years and then retaliating with the aim of cutting short someone's career seeming an act of a sociopath), leads to suspensions and outcries but not cries for deregistering. Also, I still don't see why headbutts or spitting is any less demented, other than it being less common.
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More prosaically, you can get blood borne infections form bites that break the skin *much* more easily than from kicks, punches and headbutts. Also, more likely to scar.

It is one thing to get a bruise, an entirely different order of impact on someone's life to get Hepatitus or HIV.

I'd assume the situation is similar to that of spitting another human being in the face. It would at least create a spectrum out of the binary logic hepatitis risk/no hepatitis risk. The Scholes tackle I mentioned above led to several months of recuperation from a blood infection. I've myself still got a couple of scars from severe bruisings and tackles including one in the face from a headbutting once. My nose also still isn't quite straight.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Originally posted by orfeo
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And it's a form of violence that takes special effort to achieve. He ran at his victim and had to duck his head down to aim at the shoulder.
Punching, kicking, head butting all involve motions that are part of the game. Think of the did he or didn't he plays. Biting is very difficult to achieve accidentally.
Yes, exactly what I'm getting at. Kicking, most certainly. The whole point of the game is to use your legs. In that same match, an Italian player was sent off for a kick - and the commentators down here were in agreement that there was no malice in the kick, it was reckless play (and a legitimate sending off), but the intention was to do with the ball not the opponent. Kicking a player instead of the ball can be an accident. Heading a player instead of the ball can, in some cases, be an accident.

"I was trying to get the ball with my teeth but accidentally bit you instead", on the other hand, makes no sense whatsoever. And Suarez' attempts to explain that it was a shoulder coming up to his head, rather than his teeth aiming for a shoulder, defy any sensible explanation of the biomechanics of what can be observed on the replay.

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Zidane had a long history of headbuttings, the penultimate one just a few games before the famous Last One if I recall correctly. That's ticks the box for Special Effort violence. (As does Gentile's sneak strike, which I have little doubt he performed more than once.) Zidane was not just any profile, but THE profile. All the same goes for Scholes' tackles, and De Jong's long history of extremely violent football behaviour. (See the height of that kick? That's special effort too.)

For the reasons lilBuddha has already outlined, I don't think you understand what I was referring to by special effort. Scholes' tackles? Tackling is a key part of the game. Doing it badly is certainly something that deserves sanction, but you're supposed to be doing it.

Explain to me the reason why Suarez' teeth should be anywhere besides firmly inside his closed mouth.

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Human saliva can contain up to 50 species of bacteria and is capable of transmitting infectious diseases. Humans biting other humans is barbaric at best and criminal at worst.

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Now Argentina are beginning to look like champions, fast, fluent, balanced. Defence a bit wobbly, but watch them going forwards, poetry by an assassin.

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Originally posted by JFH:
Zidane had a long history of headbuttings, the penultimate one just a few games before the famous Last One if I recall correctly. That's ticks the box for Special Effort violence. (As does Gentile's sneak strike, which I have little doubt he performed more than once.) Zidane was not just any profile, but THE profile. All the same goes for Scholes' tackles, and De Jong's long history of extremely violent football behaviour. (See the height of that kick? That's special effort too.)

For the reasons lilBuddha has already outlined, I don't think you understand what I was referring to by special effort. Scholes' tackles? Tackling is a key part of the game. Doing it badly is certainly something that deserves sanction, but you're supposed to be doing it.

Explain to me the reason why Suarez' teeth should be anywhere besides firmly inside his closed mouth.

No, I don't understand how you think Zidane's headbutt was a natural motion. That's not related to a football header in any way at all. Scholes' tackles were far out of control or reason (something the Laws of the Game stipulate warrants a red card). Trust me, I was a specialist tackler for eight years and studied dirty tricks in order to use them myself. You KNOW when you're tackling for player or when you're going for the ball. Or when you're just out of control. But you pick the weakest of my cases, not the strongest.

Explain away Gentile's hand strike, Totti's spitting or Zidane's headbutts the same way. You're claiming extreme exceptionality for Suarez's behaviour, which demands all other claims can be easily shown to be inherently different. Gentile, Zidane, Totti. High profiles, unnatural/unrelated motions, repeated behaviour. Where is the clear categorical difference?

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Human saliva can contain up to 50 species of bacteria and is capable of transmitting infectious diseases. Humans biting other humans is barbaric at best and criminal at worst.

We've already established that Scholes caused bacterial infections with his tackles and that biting is not the only way to spread human saliva that has been tried on professional football fields in the last fifteen years.

As for criminal acts, there are many, many things going on on football fields that would be illegal or prosecutable outside. Poulsen's strike comes to mind, Zidane's headbutt too. I am not sure who or what should draw the line for what constitutes barbaric behaviour and most of all, what special consequences it should carry by the Laws of the Game.

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JFH,

You pick blatant examples, but not incidents are so clear.
If we are facing each other for control of the ball,you kick the ball away and then I kick you, this could be an accidental delayed move or a retribution. Sometimes this is difficult to tell. In what situation could biting be ambiguous?

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Now Argentina are beginning to look like champions, fast, fluent, balanced. Defence a bit wobbly, but watch them going forwards, poetry by an assassin.

Stepping over Uruguay for a moment-- the Latin American teams are really impressing me. Poetry by assassin-- perfect!

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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Now Argentina are beginning to look like champions, fast, fluent, balanced. Defence a bit wobbly, but watch them going forwards, poetry by an assassin.

Stepping over Uruguay for a moment-- the Latin American teams are really impressing me. Poetry by assassin-- perfect!
All except Brazil! But I think Brazil and Argentina are tuning up, and will get better and better. But will the Europeans? Maybe. I'm liking France.

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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
As well as that, biting just isn't normal. It's sneaky, cowardly, dirty etc. You might forgive kids for doing it in a fight but even then it's frowned upon. Anyway, I think they should allow fighting in football like they do in the NHL. Suffered a dangerous tackle? Some actor got you booked? Fistycuffs! Not biting though, that's dirty.

I think you're right. There is a cultural, almost anthropological distinction about it. I was looking at the various photo-shops of Suarez as a mad dog, and that's how people see biting.

I don't think it's a moral issue, but a distinction between human and animal. As I said earlier, kids who bite in nurseries and early school are often given special treatment, as it is seen as feral and sub-human.

Even in street-fights, where punching, kicking and head-butting are normal, biting is viewed with special opprobrium.

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Now Argentina are beginning to look like champions, fast, fluent, balanced. Defence a bit wobbly, but watch them going forwards, poetry by an assassin.

Stepping over Uruguay for a moment-- the Latin American teams are really impressing me. Poetry by assassin-- perfect!
All except Brazil! But I think Brazil and Argentina are tuning up, and will get better and better. But will the Europeans? Maybe. I'm liking France.
France looks like a force to be reckoned with. I have to admit, I have only seen bits and pieces of the Brazil games.

Just to be all Nuevo Mundo*, I am going to tentatively start rooting for Colombia. I need to teach my neph how to spell the country name right, though. Columbia es una universidad, no es una país!*

(*New World)
(* Columbia is a university, not a country!)

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JFH,

You pick blatant examples, but not incidents are so clear.
If we are facing each other for control of the ball,you kick the ball away and then I kick you, this could be an accidental delayed move or a retribution. Sometimes this is difficult to tell. In what situation could biting be ambiguous?

The thing is if it's to be exceptional, you need to prove all other actions are categorically different. I've shoved arms and other body parts in people's faces while on the pitch - if their teeth clasp together as a reflex or as an attempt to get back with whatever they've got would not necessarily be clear. At least not visibly so.

We could also state that Zidane's headbutting is a particular kind, using the top of his head rather than his forehead. There is no normal situation for such things at all. Except if we use a silly "ran into him" logic. Additionally, when is it ever normal to spit people in the face?

The problem is that Suarez's action was an extreme one, naturally, and will remain seen as such - but thus it should be compared with similarly extreme/blatant ones. We're actually discussing whether it was a worse action than Schumacher's assault on Battiston, Zidane's headbutting or than Totti's spitting when we're demanding extreme and unique punishments for this case. We could also claim having moved on and developed, but then the next question is what other offences should receive similar treatment in a modern world?

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I am not defending the casual treatment of other offences, I am exploring why biting is treated differently. Personally, I think the cards should err in the other direction than they currently do. I think, instead of the benefit of the doubt, referees should be more ready to red card. People will always push the boundaries, reign those is a bit and you will see fewer accidents as well as fewer intentionals.

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I have always thought it should be a red card for an *intentional* rule breach - cos that is cheating.

So that would include diving.

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Luis Suarez should be incarcerated in a secure mental facility indefinitely at his own expense. He should be kept in a private wing away from the other four-year-olds.

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quote:
Originally posted by JFH:

The problem is that Suarez's action was an extreme one, naturally, and will remain seen as such - but thus it should be compared with similarly extreme/blatant ones. We're actually discussing whether it was a worse action than Schumacher's assault on Battiston, Zidane's headbutting or than Totti's spitting when we're demanding extreme and unique punishments for this case. We could also claim having moved on and developed, but then the next question is what other offences should receive similar treatment in a modern world?

I'd agree, and if it was a first offence of that extreme nature then a similar punishment to the above would be fine. I think the fact that it looks like it is the third offence makes a massive difference. He hasn't learnt from his mistakes and therefore is, at times, out of control and therefore dangerous on the pitch. Surely because of that he needs to have some treatment and punishment for his actions. It is a shame, as this year he has been instrumental in the development of both Sterling and Sturridge and helped them turn into the players they are.

In other matters, a Charlton player actually scored in the WC today. I can't pronounce his name but Reza Ghoochannejad scored Iran's goal today. At the moment watching the French game. Ecuador are trying but not much final product yet.

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I have always thought it should be a red card for an *intentional* rule breach - cos that is cheating.

So that would include diving.

Yup.

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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
I am not defending the casual treatment of other offences, I am exploring why biting is treated differently. Personally, I think the cards should err in the other direction than they currently do. I think, instead of the benefit of the doubt, referees should be more ready to red card. People will always push the boundaries, reign those is a bit and you will see fewer accidents as well as fewer intentionals.

That's alright. So am I, to some degree. We're not just talking about cards, though, we're talking about long-time suspensions and making the World Cup a country club where you get thrown out if your behaviour is deviant enough.
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I have always thought it should be a red card for an *intentional* rule breach - cos that is cheating.

So that would include diving.

I can think of no rule, save possibly some of the offside cases, in the Laws of the Game that rewards a free kick and/or other punishment for something that isn't intentional. I'm not sure I'd appreciate that legalistic a sport, as well as one that views headbuttings or biting the same as pulling someone's shirt or standing too close to the free kick when it's being taken. It would be another sport, for sure. Also, a heck of a sport to referee given the massive consequences.
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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Luis Suarez should be incarcerated in a secure mental facility indefinitely at his own expense. He should be kept in a private wing away from the other four-year-olds.

Foucault would be so proud. Do we want him forcibly neutered as well?
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I'd agree, and if it was a first offence of that extreme nature then a similar punishment to the above would be fine. I think the fact that it looks like it is the third offence makes a massive difference. He hasn't learnt from his mistakes and therefore is, at times, out of control and therefore dangerous on the pitch. Surely because of that he needs to have some treatment and punishment for his actions. It is a shame, as this year he has been instrumental in the development of both Sterling and Sturridge and helped them turn into the players they are.

Like I said, Zidane had a very long history of headbuttings. Keane had a long history of uncontrolled (and those are mentioned in the rules so they exist and referees assume players can also tell the difference) tackles and other behaviour. I believe Totti spat on players at more than one time. Precedence leans toward longer than usual suspensions (which he has already received before) but no extreme or unique punishment. This is perfectly in accordance with the Laws of the Game and not just arbitrarily declaring a player anathema - not that I think FIFA's going to care much for justice, though.

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To answer the question posed to me, as a Canadian I have a strong antipathy towards the US. I hate the US men's football team.

I used to do that.

Until this World Cup, where I found I knew half the US players through MLS. Although I would like nothing better then to see Yedlin found out as the speed merchant without defensive skills that he is, I can not but support a guy like Beisler who has worked up his way through to become a decent international CD.

Bradley though....I'm not sure what he's thinking in the last two games as he is usually much better then what he has been doing. He can't be blamed for the last Portugal goal (for Pete's sake, you have 4 defenders and a CD playing DM and you push them UP?!?!?)

Frankly, I want to see all CONCACAF teams do well and am glad that 2 are in and a 3rd has a good shout (Honduras though....ugh).

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One of the problems that FIFA face is that if they punish him by banning him from international football for (say) two years, that will just INCREASE his value. Wouldn't any club want a world class striker who is NOT going to be called away on international duty and who is NOT going to get injured in a meaningless friendly against Turks and Caicos second XI??

But FIFA can't punish him by banning him from domestic football. The moment they try that, Liverpool's lawyers will be all over them faster than you can say "Would you like do an advert for Colgate toothpaste?"

In passing, I hope for Suarez's sake that he stays at Liverpool. Last season, it looked as if they had managed to help him control his demons and he played the most sublime football as a result. If he goes to Barca or Real, my guess is that they won't be quite so concerned to provide him with the back up and support he clearly needs.

On his day, Suarez is better than Ronaldo and (IMHO) better than Messi. But he clearly needs a lot of managing. For the sake of his undeniable genius, I would hate to see him lost to the game as he approaches his peak.

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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Luis Suarez should be incarcerated in a secure mental facility indefinitely at his own expense. He should be kept in a private wing away from the other four-year-olds.

Unless he played for Spurs?

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Originally posted by Caissa:
To answer the question posed to me, as a Canadian I have a strong antipathy towards the US. I hate the US men's football team.

I used to do that.

Until this World Cup, where I found I knew half the US players through MLS. Although I would like nothing better then to see Yedlin found out as the speed merchant without defensive skills that he is, I can not but support a guy like Beisler who has worked up his way through to become a decent international CD.

Bradley though....I'm not sure what he's thinking in the last two games as he is usually much better then what he has been doing. He can't be blamed for the last Portugal goal (for Pete's sake, you have 4 defenders and a CD playing DM and you push them UP?!?!?)

Frankly, I want to see all CONCACAF teams do well and am glad that 2 are in and a 3rd has a good shout (Honduras though....ugh).

As a Brit now in Canada and getting used to MLS soccer, I want the USA to do well. The more success they have, the more credibility and quality the MLS will have. The end result will hopefully be that soccer in the US AND Canada will improve. I would love to see both nations qualifying for a World Cup tournament. I don't think this is unrealistic, given the populations of the two countries.

MLS is getting there. There are some good young players coming through the system and there is less dependence upon aging European imports. My adopted team (Vancouver Whitecaps) have recently got rid of Kenny Miller back to Scotland and their other UK import (Nigel Reo-Coker) is now a bit-part player and widely seen as one of the weak links in a young and hungry squad. I look forward to the day when an MLS side succeeds with purely homegrown talent.

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I'm looking forward to the day when Darlington Nagbe's US citizenship comes through and he can join Team USA.

In this World Cup, if I were a betting man, my money would be on Colombia.

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quote:
Originally posted by JFH:
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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Luis Suarez should be incarcerated in a secure mental facility indefinitely at his own expense. He should be kept in a private wing away from the other four-year-olds.

Foucault would be so proud. Do we want him forcibly neutered as well?

That's the wrong part of his anatomy: pull all his teeth out instead so that he can never bite anyone ever again!

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quote:
Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
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Originally posted by JFH:
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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
Luis Suarez should be incarcerated in a secure mental facility indefinitely at his own expense. He should be kept in a private wing away from the other four-year-olds.

Foucault would be so proud. Do we want him forcibly neutered as well?

That's the wrong part of his anatomy: pull all his teeth out instead so that he can never bite anyone ever again!
How would you advise making Zidane cease his headbuttings?

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A 4 month ban for Suarez for biting.

A toothless response from FIFA. [Mad]

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It's only one of the harshest penalties ever dealt, for an offence that in practice left little more than a bruise.

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I think the Alethiophile might have been indulging in a pun, although we can probably forgive him for it.

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Mueller scores in the 55th minute.
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quote:
Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
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Originally posted by Caissa:
To answer the question posed to me, as a Canadian I have a strong antipathy towards the US. I hate the US men's football team.

I used to do that.

Until this World Cup, where I found I knew half the US players through MLS. Although I would like nothing better then to see Yedlin found out as the speed merchant without defensive skills that he is, I can not but support a guy like Beisler who has worked up his way through to become a decent international CD.

Bradley though....I'm not sure what he's thinking in the last two games as he is usually much better then what he has been doing. He can't be blamed for the last Portugal goal (for Pete's sake, you have 4 defenders and a CD playing DM and you push them UP?!?!?)

Frankly, I want to see all CONCACAF teams do well and am glad that 2 are in and a 3rd has a good shout (Honduras though....ugh).

As a Brit now in Canada and getting used to MLS soccer, I want the USA to do well. The more success they have, the more credibility and quality the MLS will have. The end result will hopefully be that soccer in the US AND Canada will improve. I would love to see both nations qualifying for a World Cup tournament. I don't think this is unrealistic, given the populations of the two countries.
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The better all the teams are, the better the games will be to watch. That's what I hope for-- that all the teams will kick ass, because iwatching two kickass teams play each other is a joy.

I understand picking favorites-- on, Colombia-- but I don't get the premise of actively hoping a team will suck, which I hear sometimes. To me, that is basically hoping to watch a really boring game. Also, what real sportsman would want a victory that is too easy?

When I fenced, even if I knew my opponent was destined to pound me into a grease spot, I resolved to at least make it hard for them. I expect that made it more fun for them, too.

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On that note-- I am away from TV, but Neph -- my personal goto for all things futbol-- just reported that Germany beat the US, but both teams played impressively. Right on.

[ 26. June 2014, 17:58: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Mueller scores in the 55th minute.

The US goes to the second round (thanks, Portugal!), and holding the second-best team in the world to one goal is pretty damn good.
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This is almost exactly what Neph said. I can't begin to tell you how analytical he gets about game review.

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Germany plays a crap game and wins. But I love the fact that the USA goes on. Well deserved for their efforts in this game, and in the previous ones.

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The Uruguayan blindness over Suarez is alarming.

He bit somebody, and not for the first time. If he gets punished appropriately, move on.

But all we get from Uruguay and Suarez is denial and blaming England and Italy in some giant conspiracy.

Is there a management team in Europe that could sit him down and talk some sense into his head?

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All this to distract from the fact that both teams were playing like a bunch of hyperacute kindergarteners with a cantelope instead of a ball.

Also, fuck Ann Coulter. When I get to a place where I can create a proper hyperlink, I will explain this in Hell.

[ 26. June 2014, 18:57: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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quote:
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Also, fuck Ann Coulter. When I get to a place where I can create a proper hyperlink, I will explain this in Hell.

You don't think that people such as her are best ignored? [Biased]

And congrats to America. That was a tough group*. With Belgium not exactly firing on all cylinders yet, you've definitely got an outside chance in the second round.


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