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Cod
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Brazil also looking very comfortable, and much less vulnerable at the back than they did against Chile. Is it just me, or have both Colombia and Chile played a somewhat more physical game than Brazil? Some of the tackles, particularly on Neymar, look pretty borderline.
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The refereeing has looked pretty random.
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James Roderiguez waz robbed !
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orfeo
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Pretty gutted by both of today's results. Although to me both were fair outcomes.
I thought France played better football than Germany much of the time, but they just couldn't translate it into goals.
Brazil v Colombia was wild and crazy, and fast. The Brazilians just didn't let the Colombians play (although generally this was within the rules). The free kick for the second Brazilian goal was superb.
And now I see Neymar is gone. Although Brazil wasn't relying on him as much as before. Finally, the rest of the team has got their act together.
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quetzalcoatl
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Yes, a mad game really, and not the Brazil that we fantasize about at all, although that was never realistic. It was exciting, but at times, brutal.
I suppose it's Germany now. Sulk.
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I don't think Belgium can win against Argentina, already behind ....
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So Argentina through, last quarter final is Netherlands vs Costa Rica - I am rooting for Costa Rica on the grounds on climate, and pleasing unlikeliness.
But I know that really, the Dutch have the best chance.
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Nil, nil at full time !!
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Sir Kevin
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I really wanted the Ticos to go through. Won't have a World Cup of the Americas this year...
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Oscar the Grouch
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Sad that Costa Rica didn't get through - it would have the result for all soccer romantics.
But realistically, Holland actually stand a chance of beating Argentina, whereas CR don't. So it is good that Argentina have a harder semi-final. Of the four semi-finalists, they are the ones I least want to win. I think it is because they rely so heavily on Messi. World Cup winners should be the best team. So I'm going for Germany (followed by Holland).
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Cod
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That was very nearly 0 out of 3 predictions for me.
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orfeo
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Sigh.
Well, none of the quarters really went the way I hoped, although today's results aren't a surprise.
Belgium just never really got it going against Argentina. Mind you, Argentina weren't oustanding either, there goal being based on a deflection (but a nice finish).
And Netherlands v Costa Rica was awfully tedious for a long time, before becoming insanely chaotic later on. I am heartily sick of the sight of Arjen Robben, and now he's got 2 more matches.
I'll be cheering for Argentina now, as they're probably the only one of the remaining teams that I at least half-like. Messi lifting the World Cup? Yeah, I can get behind that.
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Hoping Holland win. Hate the other teams.
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rolyn
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Watching most of the quarter-final action ISTM that Brazil are the only team that really looks like it *wants* to win the tournament .
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quetzalcoatl
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I thought the last Brazil game was semi-hysterical, by both fans and players. But this may win them the World Cup, as it seems to generate so much energy. Still, I'm very curious to see how Germany will cope with it.
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This was very much what came across to me watching Brazil - Columbia .
I often watch sport muted so for a while, at 1-0, thought Columbia were in the yellow strip, (because of the white shorts), and were furiously trying for an equaliser. Being a bit slow on the uptake I eventually realised it to be the other way round, all the energy was in fact being expended by Brazil in order to secure a second goal.
And what a goal when it came ! The guy who planted that free-kick in the corner of the net looked like he experienced the best feeling known to any footballer.
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Well we've got rid of the tennis now (yawn) and hopefully it won't be long before we can kick those soporific push-bikers back over the channel.
But when can we raise a thread about the upcoming football season in England, because I feel the need to do a bit of bragging about ManU. Especially if Holland win the world cup, 'cause every top drawer player on the planet will want to follow success like that to Old Trafford.
In fact, we can offer a nice restfull season to all those tired, exhausted players who don't want to play fifty games. They don't need to worry about the Champions League. All they need to do is win on Saturday afternoons in the Premiership. Which will be nice for them.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Hmmmm. Actually, I don't think Van Gaal will be the huge success that the media seem to be anticipating. Not because he isn't a good manager - but because the task is so large.
I see Van Gaal's role over the next couple of years will be to put into place a structure and squad that can start to be serious contenders after he departs. Any one who thinks that ManU are going to be title contenders this season is fooling themselves. A realistic target will be to qualify for the Champions League. ManC and Chelsea will fight for the title, with their seemingly infinite resources (because Financial Fairplay is working so well)
3rd & 4th places will be fought between Liverpool, Arsenal and ManU. Spurs will once again find that bringing in ANOTHER new manager is not the answer. They'll offer a threat to the top 5 but be found wanting at the key moments. Pocchetino will probably get the sack for failing to win a trophy. A N Other team will be this season's West Brom or Newcastle - a great start gets the fans talking about Europe, but a collapse after Christmas leaves them once again looking at the top 5 from afar.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Jonah the Whale
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quote: Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Same is true of the World Cup. After some interesting scores in the group games it has come down to four of the usual contenders. All the semi-finalists have been in at least three out of the last ten finals.
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Doublethink.
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Costa Rica very, very nearly made it.
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Oscar the Grouch
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quote: Originally posted by Jonah the Whale: quote: Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Same is true of the World Cup. After some interesting scores in the group games it has come down to four of the usual contenders. All the semi-finalists have been in at least three out of the last ten finals.
Mmmm.
The World Cup started with such a bang that it looked as it was going to be really memorable. But since the group stages it has settled down into a fairly predictable pattern. The usual suspects have done just enough to get through. I'm hoping that they have been saving themselves for when it matters, but the reality may well be that we've already seen the best of the WC.
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orfeo
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The wicked part of me relishes the notion of Netherlands being runners-up again.
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Oscar the Grouch
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quote: Originally posted by orfeo: The wicked part of me relishes the notion of Netherlands being runners-up again.
True! But they can't ALL be runners up, sadly...
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Sir Kevin
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Wanted Costa Rica Ticos to win. They didn't. Shall cheer for Germany and Argentina.
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Sir Kevin
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quote: Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch: Pocchetino will probably get the sack for failing to win a trophy. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
I disagree. Spurs will displace Gunners or Liverpool and wind up in 3rd place or better. New coach will spend money and work miracles, just like he did at Southampton.
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Kevin: quote: Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch: Pocchetino will probably get the sack for failing to win a trophy. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
I disagree. Spurs will displace Gunners or Liverpool and wind up in 3rd place or better. New coach will spend money and work miracles, just like he did at Southampton.
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I imagine Dietrich Bonhoeffer would have told you to follow Arsenal or Chelsea. Much as it pains me to say it.
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orfeo
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Oi! Can you lot keep your Premier League discussions out of the World Cup thread? If you want to talk 2014/15 Premier League, go make a 2014/15 Premier League thread or something.
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This was the general football thread (mostly Premier League conversation) until somebody came along and changed the title...
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Doublethink.
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[Hostly bowtie revolves clockwise]
If I have a problem with what is being discussed on this thread, I will say so. (Drop kicks mini-host into the lake of fire.)
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IngoB
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Possible world cup finals:
Brazil vs. Argentina: classic South American rivalry, but 1st time in world cup final Brazil vs. Netherlands: 1st time in world cup final Germany vs. Argentina: world cup finals in 1986 & 1990 (each side won once) Germany vs. Netherlands: classic European rivalry, including 1974 world cup final (Germany won)
All of these should be good... I'm guessing it will be Germany vs. Argentina, though I expect both semi-finals to be close.
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quetzalcoatl
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It seems impossible to predict the final. Brazil will be semi-hysterical, as usual, crying and praying, which increases their energy levels, but perhaps messes up the defence. Germany will be efficient and very difficult to stop. Argentina - I don't know, I saw an awful game with them in it, and then the next one, they looked cultured and strong. Holland - no idea, depends if Van Gaal has thought up a wizard scheme to stop Messi. Possibly have two goal-keepers playing.
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I would like Brazil to win now, because they'd be soooo happy.
I suspect it will be Netherlands though.
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quetzalcoatl
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Van Gaal is certainly on a roll; as somebody said, luck, good tactics, and a huge ego will get you a long way.
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Og: Thread Killer
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Of all the players left, the only ones I can support are Cesar, Lahm and Messi.
The rest have either dove, or kicked or thugged or not been all that good.
I'd love to see Cesar go out on a high after the way QPR treated him. But the rest of his team is despicable.
German histrionics are getting way too much - its like every one of them studied tapes of Klinsmann.
Robben is killing the Dutch for me, even though their fans are the biggest and most fun group left in this city.
Messi has been a joy to watch at time with his ball control but the rest of his team has been a mix of thug and bemusement.
I find myself being chaotically neutral about all this.
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Cod
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I suspect Brazil might just clinch it. They had an almighty scare against Chile - half a crossbar's width away from elimination, and they (to my mind) played much better against Colombia. Teams develop mid-tournament, and the suggestion I'd make is that Brazil are improving. They will miss Neymar, but they do actually have other players. Hulk has actually been doing a great deal up front. Possibly defences have allowed him space in order to shut down Neymar. We shall see. They have other inventive players who can (unlike the French) find a way through the German defence. By contrast, the Germans don't have sufficient firepower up front. Like the Dutch, their best match was their first match, and they haven't improved since then. As for the Argentines, they only have Messi.
(There. That'll jinx them )
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quote: Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer: I'd love to see Cesar go out on a high after the way QPR treated him. But the rest of his team is despicable.
Pah.
quote: There was a move lined up for him to Napoli in the summer but he turned it down on the basis that he did not want to return to Italy. In the meantime he has kept on banking a salary of around £70,000 a week, as that World Cup draws ever closer. The best goalkeeper in Brazil is free to spend Saturday afternoons at Westfield shopping centre rather than the other side of Wood Lane at Loftus Road. Either way, it all adds up to a terrible indictment of Cesar’s ambition.
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quote: The logic has simply been that Green has been too consistent to leave out of the side and you only need to look at the plummeting fortunes of Shaun Wright-Phillips under Redknapp to see he doesn’t care much for reputations.
From the Indy.
Perfectly explicable logic. Cesar is a better shot stopper. But Green is better at dealing with crosses. For the Premier League, and certainly the Championship, that makes Green the preferable keeper.
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I'm surprised he hasn't commented on the on-field group sex.
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What the fuck happened to Brazil !?!
Four nil down in 25 minutes !!!!!!
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Germany have scored four goals in six minutes, six minutes !!
Currently, five nil to Germany.
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Five now.
Well that's what the Germans do. Win
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There's winning, and there is demolishing ...
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rolyn
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Having read your post DT I just put it on . It's now 5-0 to the Germans
This is most unbelievable .
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Never seen anything like that. Hopefully Holland will stuff the Argies tomorrow as well.
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The Brazilian midfield forgot how to defend, and the back line decisions have looked slow. As for Argentina vs Netherlands, I like Argentina's attack but that same attack plays into Netherland's strong counter attack.
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Six nil.
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lilBuddha
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This is insanity! Where is Brazil? They've played 5 min worth the whole game so far.
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Seven nil.
Is knocked over by a passing feather.
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