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Imaginary Friend
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That's quite a one-sided analysis, isn't it? Good defence is worthy of winning a game too. Argentina's defense was excellent against Robben and Van Persie, so they absolutely deserve to be where they are too.
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Oscar the Grouch
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Hmmm. I guess it all depends on your perspective, doesn't it?
Was the Argentine defence good against Van Persie and Robben? Or were the Dutch over-cautious? And what part in all this was played by the fact that Van Persie wasn't completely fit?
The Argentines defend well - that's for sure. I would say that this is in part down to the fact that they lack attacking ambition. I think that a good opposing coach would have strategies to try and combat this. If you know a team is planning to park the bus, can you come up with ways to get through? I think Van Gaal showed a lack of imagination in the semi-final. Essentially, what we saw were two teams determined to keep clean sheets, daring the other to crack first. From what I have seen of Löw, I think he may be a little more daring. Whether it will be successful, I don't know - but I would rather see a team win the World Cup by going out to play positively, than by a team that seems happy to play out a 0-0 draw and go to penalties.
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Imaginary Friend
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Not that I want to bring it back to Chelsea, but if you watched much of the Premier League last year, you'd've seen that even some of the best attacking players in the world struggle against a well-organized defence. I'd say that's a "well done" to the defenders, rather than a "could do better" for the attackers. But like you say, it depends on perspective.
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Sioni Sais
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I don't expect Germany to change very much at all. Klose will keep Mascherano busy, while the central defenders will be occupied with Muller, Gotze & co running forward, plus Lahm (and Schurrle) out wide. Germany will also be a lot fresher having played a day earlier, and then only for half an hour rather than 120 minutes plus a penalty shoot-out.
Argentina's best hope is that because Germany won't change, Messi will get a bit of space. Watch for Lavazzi too - he looked good against the Netherlands.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by Oscar the Grouch:
A good deal for Liverpool. They get 75 million for someone who can't play until October.
Yes.
It's been plausibly suggested that Suárez's buyout clause was generated by his agents asking Barcelona and Real Madrid how much they were prepared to pay. From the fact that they've apparently paid his buyout clause without demanding a discount for the ban, it appears that either a.) Liverpool have some seriously good negotiators, or b.) the likelihood of his being banned was already factored into the price ...
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Imaginary Friend
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And to think, Liverpool could buy two Andy Carrolls with that money. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Sioni Sais
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And to think, Liverpool could buy two Andy Carrolls with that money.
They probably will ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Does anyone know much about Dusan Tadic, the Serbian guy that Southampton have just bought as a replacement for Adam Lallana? His goals and assist stats for FC Twente in the Netherlands seem very good but the Dutch league isn't the strongest...
It's been a weird Summer for Saints fans so far. I'm not sure we'll miss Shaw all that much - we're well-stocked at full back; if Tadic can replace Lallana and fit in quickly then we'll be okay there. We do need at least one striker, I'd say, and one centre back (or two, if Lovren goes to Liverpool). But we have a big pile of cash with which to go shopping!
For all that last season was, at times, a brilliant ride, the Saints squad did look a bit thin. If we can spend the Shaw and Lallana money well, and if Koeman quickly picks up the reins from Pochettino, then maybe a run at the Europa League places isn't out of the question.
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Doublethink.
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2min 25 sec and Holland have scored against Brazil.
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Doublethink.
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16min and it is now two nil to Holland.
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Imaginary Friend
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Wow - that is a truly awful bit of refereeing. Clear penalty, but Oscar gets a yellow for simulation. Ridiculous.
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Doublethink.
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Yeah, that was wierd + there have been at least three occasions when the ref got seriously got in the way of the player.
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Doublethink.
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3 nil, and so nearly four.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
And to think, Liverpool could buy two Andy Carrolls with that money.
Yes, or one and a half Fernando Torres ... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Imaginary Friend
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Touché.
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Doublethink.
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It has begun ...
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Doublethink.
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Some holes in the German defence.
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Ariel
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OTOH Germany do seem to have spent most of the first half in the vicinity of the Argentinian goal area.
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
It has begun ...
Boo!
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Doublethink.
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You can cheer for the linesmen.
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
You can cheer for the linesmen.
Or hope for a fight. It would be funny if they all kicked off.
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Doublethink.
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Well, its extra time - what do you reckon the chance is of it going to a penalty shootout ?
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Kelly Alves
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Dear Argentina: COME ON!!!
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Doublethink.
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I am rooting for Germany
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Kelly Alves
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You do that.
At this point I am rooting for the ball to find a home in a kind, loving goal. Yeesh.
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Doublethink.
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OK now the players are bleeding, I'm fairly sure that is not meant to happen.
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Doublethink.
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Goooooalllllllllll ! To Germany.
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Kelly Alves
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Finally someone did it!
(Tip of the hat from Nuevo Mundo to Viejo Mundo)
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Doublethink.
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And Messi soooo close to an equaliser.
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Doublethink.
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And. Germany have won !
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I feel Schweinsteiger deserves some sort of medal, possibly a purple heart ...
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Kelly Alves
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Que viva la Alemania!*
*Long live Germany
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Kelly Alves
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He, Neph's status update:
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Congratulations to #Germany the 2014 World Cup Champions. Germany defeats Argentina 1-0 in extra time. Amazing game by both teams but in the end a late goal in the extra time period ended the dreams of one team and achieved the dreams of another.
He's such a great kid.
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Sioni Sais
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Good match, 100% commitment and a great goal to win it!
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IngoB
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I'm not sure the German deserved to win the night, but they sure deserved to win the tournament. And what a beautiful goal from the young guns!
[ 13. July 2014, 21:55: Message edited by: IngoB ]
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Kelly Alves
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The Lord loves a gracious winner.
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The best defence in the competition did not hold out in the end against the best attack. Good playing from both sides.
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Tukai
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A final worth watching , even though it did start at 5 am Aust time. At about the 80 minute mark, I reckoned that Argentina (esp Higuain) had not taken their chances, and so Germany might well notch the one goal that would win it.
And although Pope Francis [ a keen supporter of one of the Buenos Aires clubs since his childhood] may not have liked the result, he would have been pleased by the work of the camera director, who often showed Jesus looking down benignly on the stadium below, and topped that off at sunset by having a [helicopter ] shot that made the setting sun into a halo for Jesus.
[For those who haven't been to Rio, I refer to the cameraman's use of the famous hilltop statue of Jesus, but who knows what the real JC was thinking.]
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Kelly Alves
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"I love futbol thiiis much."
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Cod
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Bother. That's it for another 4 years.
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Originally posted by Cod:
Bother. That's it for another 4 years.
Err no. The real thing kicks off on the 16th of August, or the 9th if you follow a non-premiership club.
Schweinsteigers bloody face should kill off the notion that "sacr" is something you pick your daughter up from though.
I'm chuffed for Germany. Much preferred them to win rather than the Argies, and it's always heartwarming to hear Sepp Blatter get roundly boo'ed. So aside for England's no show it wasn't too bad a way of spending the early summer.
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Sir Kevin
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We watched the match at a restaurant in Pasadena called McCormick and Schmidt's which was not a sports bar. The food and the service was good, but we watched it with closed captions as house rules prohibited sound on the televisions and played music instead.
I thought it would surely go into penalty kicks, but thankfully it did not! A good result but a bit late in the match. The microbrew beer from Irvine helped pass the time as did conversation with my wife. Gotze was brilliant!
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I thought it would surely go into penalty kicks, but thankfully it did not! A good result but a bit late in the match.
I thought at the end that Germany was playing for penalty kicks too. They were having a lot of possession but didn't seem to be pushing for a goal...until they did! I am very glad it ended with a goal and even more so that it was a well-taken, beautiful goal and not the result of a chance bounce or fluke accident. Goetze took full advantage of his legs being considerably fresher than most of the people on the field!
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A very good goal indeed; but Argentina must be rueing their missed chances, of which they had, what, 3 or 4? A fascinating game really, in which the defences dominated. I enjoyed watching both sides defend - Boateng and Mascherano especially.
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Originally posted by deano:
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Originally posted by Cod:
Bother. That's it for another 4 years.
Err no. The real thing kicks off on the 16th of August, or the 9th if you follow a non-premiership club.
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We've been over this before but what the hey.
The majority of the football following world doesn't follow the EPL, or English football.
Live your dreams but your football knowledge and experience would be far more enjoyable if you looked at football in the rest of Europe and in South America.
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Er, isn't the English Premier League have followers over a billion?
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Not sure where to put this, but my team drew against Aberdeen tonight. Next Thursday the return.
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Sioni Sais
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Chelsea sign Brazilian defender.
Obviously, he was not part of the current Brazil team. Filipe Luis was on Brazil's stand-by list* for the World Cup and while transfer fees for defenders have risen, £15.8million for a 28 year old looks a lot.
*TBH, some of those on the pitch weren't doing much more than 'standing by'.
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Imaginary Friend
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I'd say it looks distinctly less than the money that United and Liverpool have been paying for unproven Englishmen this summer.
I'm happy - we need a replacement for the legend that is Ashley Cole, and I think Felipe fits the bill nicely. He certainly impressed when we played Atléti last season.
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Pfft. Why waste money on defenders? It's not as though a team has ever lost the Premiership through a weak defence ... er ...
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