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Baptist Trainfan
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Doing same-sex blessings is like parking on a double-yellow line - fine so long as you don't get caught? Loved it!
Now how does that apply to Baptists? ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Well that is going to piss off more people than the raving evo in season 1.
Very Funny.
IED lol.
It all so true and funny and painful.
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that walked a painfully real line between laughter and tears...
And great lines
" filly filly uppy uppy" (Archdeacon, handing over the dreaded fund-raising thermometer)
"first you'll be suspended, then you'll be defrocked, then you'll be killed by one of the Bishop's team of assassins in unmarked cars" (what apparently happens if you do a gay wedding)
"eat it! eat it in the name of church unity" (disposal of illegal liturgical evidence)
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It all so true and funny and painful.
Indeed so. Clearly written with the benefit of inside knowledge. Including the collusion in the hierarchy. And the final scene. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
And the timing of this episode was impeccable - too fortuitous to be accidental. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Not:
"eat it! eat it in the name of church unity" (disposal of illegal liturgical evidence)
One of the writers is a lurker.
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The couple was cute. (Much better looking than the couples in all the Episcopal Church gay weddings I've attended.)
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A very good episode, the final scene brought a lump to my throat
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That was so good. Showing the problems of the Anglican position "You are not married" "yes we are" "well not here", as well as the hypocrisy with the archdeacon being gay.
But it also showed the pastoral problems of this position. "So God doesn't approve of us" "well God does, its just that the church doesn't". And the final scene where - as so often - Adam does the right thing irrespective of the consequences.
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Originally posted by Kitten:
A very good episode, the final scene brought a lump to my throat
ditto
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I expect a first century version of Rev would have shown Jesus marrying Herod and Herodias over the curmudgeonly objections of John the Baptist. Except, of course, Jesus would have done no such thing because powerful interpersonal attractions are not the most important thing in the universe. Sometimes the best thing you can do for a person is to say No.
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Originally posted by Tulfes:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
.I understand tonight they are tackling the equal marriage in the church issue...
Yawn. No wonder ratings are so low.
Exactly my reaction when I heard about it. But the episode was hilarious - fantastic comedy and not in the least boring, even though the subject has been so over-done in the media. Loved it!
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Doing same-sex blessings is like parking on a double-yellow line - fine so long as you don't get caught? Loved it!
Now how does that apply to Baptists?
It doesn't. You and I both know that if you do or don't do such blessings no one will do anything about it. Precedent has been set with chalkey.
The BU haven't got the wherewithal or the stomach for such a fight - in any event the BUGB can't tell a church what to do. If the church meeting decides to do it, it can be done!
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Originally posted by tessaB:
[QUOTE]Oh Lordy! We have done Going for Growth, Funding the Vision and now Natural Church Development! Load of corporate-speak bollocks the lot of it!
Yep, those of us who had been in the corporate world before ordination can recognise a barrel of such stuff a mile away.
Bear in mind that Natural Church Development is a matter of "Warning: increase not guaranteed. Development can go down as well as up"
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Originally posted by StevHep:
I expect a first century version of Rev would have shown Jesus marrying Herod and Herodias over the curmudgeonly objections of John the Baptist. Except, of course, Jesus would have done no such thing because powerful interpersonal attractions are not the most important thing in the universe. Sometimes the best thing you can do for a person is to say No.
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When Nigel got so uptight about the gay wedding, I couldn't help feeling that Series 4 might have the Archdeacon and Nigel getting it together and - finally - getting married. Watch Series 4 and see if I'm right!
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
That was so good. Showing the problems of the Anglican position "You are not married" "yes we are" "well not here", as well as the hypocrisy with the archdeacon being gay.
But it also showed the pastoral problems of this position. "So God doesn't approve of us" "well God does, its just that the church doesn't". And the final scene where - as so often - Adam does the right thing irrespective of the consequences.
I cheered at the final scene (which was awkward as I was in bed at the time). I told a friend that I looked forward to being able to carry out same-sex weddings before I retired: I think my odds (25 years, Church in Wales) are roughly evens...
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Originally posted by Chorister:
When Nigel got so uptight about the gay wedding, I couldn't help feeling that Series 4 might have the Archdeacon and Nigel getting it together and - finally - getting married. Watch Series 4 and see if I'm right!
But that would make the Archdeacon the equivalent of a divorcé. Big moral problem. I'm a bit worried about the diocesan ladies double act. Is the frequency of gays in the CofE that high?
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Originally posted by Chorister:
When Nigel got so uptight about the gay wedding, I couldn't help feeling that Series 4 might have the Archdeacon and Nigel getting it together and - finally - getting married. Watch Series 4 and see if I'm right!
My theory is that "Cherry", with whom Nigel claims to be in a relationship, is in fact a trans woman. I dearly hope we meet her before the series ends. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Cottontail:
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Originally posted by Chorister:
When Nigel got so uptight about the gay wedding, I couldn't help feeling that Series 4 might have the Archdeacon and Nigel getting it together and - finally - getting married. Watch Series 4 and see if I'm right!
My theory is that "Cherry", with whom Nigel claims to be in a relationship, is in fact a trans woman. I dearly hope we meet her before the series ends.
I rather think the best/funniest way of wrapping that story arc up might be along the lines of the final episode of Allo Allo where it is revealed that Lt Grueber and Helga got married and had 7 children. Cherry really ought to be a perfectly unremarkable, attractive, straight woman, with whom Nigel is in a relationship. The shock of that would be as great to the other characters as it would be to the audience ISTM.
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Two thoughts.
One is that I seem to remember reading somewhere that there will be no Series 4. Can anyone corroborate this?
The other is that "Cherry" is only an Internet persona who doesn't really exist - either an avatar in a chatroom or (much more likely) a virtual character in a video game, like Lara Croft.
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[I'm a bit worried about the diocesan ladies double act. Is the frequency of gays in the CofE that high?
Remember that this is the Diocese of London!!! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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True, funny, and painful indeed - especially for us, as we're a UPA parish (albeit not in London) with a nice shiny new mosque nearby, and our very own home-grown versions of Nigel and Colin..... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
.....and, although we're not under threat from egregious Area Deans and Diocesan Secretaries (yet!), a neighbouring parish is.............. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Originally posted by Cottontail:
My theory is that "Cherry", with whom Nigel claims to be in a relationship, is in fact a trans woman. I dearly hope we meet her before the series ends.
We never got to meet Mrs Mannering in all those wonderful years of 'Dad's Army'
(not sure if my comparison is all that watertight)
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I did spot, though, that when the Archdeacon demanded to see the order of service used, and Adam said he didn't have one, he used 'this', pointing to a service book - that was actually the green CW book, Pastoral Services - which is the weddings are, not the Eucharists...
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Series 1 brilliant esp Vivian in the Supermarket!. Series 2 ok. Series 3 - stories too "right on" for words. Passed its sell by date.
Put it and us out of our misery - unless it really does represent urban parish life (not in this neck of the woods), in which case the state church is truly doomed.
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There were spoilers...so I edited.
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very disappointed in tonights episode
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This is the first episode I've seen since the first series. Miserable, or what!
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Ditto: from the dizzy heights of last week to the cringeworthy depths of this week ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Yes, I was disappointed too. I thought that both Mick and Adoha were included in ways that suggested "we have to bring them in" and didn't contribute to the plot, while the end of the litter-pick was pure slapstick end-of-the-pier stuff.
I do like the prayers which always have an edge of authenticity to them. And where had the Miles Jupp character been for two mysterious days?
But the whole episode was a bit formulaic.
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It was so sad. If this is the final series they might close the church at the end. Maybe Nigel's got a secret plan for gaining funds and that's what he was off doing.
Cherry is probably a pet.
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I've only one thing to say about last night's episode and that is......
![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
Don't want to put spoilers in for anyone one who's not seen it yet .
Best yet as far we were concerned.
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Did we watch the same thing? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Am I the only person who is beginning to find Rev is losing touch with credibility. A pity, as the previous series were good. Perhaps they have reached the point where they've run out of plots.
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I felt last night's episode was verging on that Mike Leigh-ish mode of being cruel to all the characters. I never find the comedy of embarrassment very funny, but it's increasingly grating that the script allows Adam no competence at all. In fact, none of the characters came out of it very well. Dark is one thing, but this felt, well, nasty.
Maybe it is the need to have plots that is spoiling it -- I often find plot works against comedies. Porridge is a fantastic example of a comedy that was consistently funny partly because almost nothing ever happened.
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The thing is, I don't think it was that unrealistic (in the normal terms). The interesting thing is that the church is situated on the edge of the city and the more impoverished east end. Similarly, Adam and Alex are spread between the church and the more high-flying world of business.
The thing is, in such a place, a well known artist might well be drawn into the social circle. It is Damien Hurst area.
I think, in essence, this is the core of the tension that Adam feels. He is in touch with the wealth of the city, and yet knows that there is also poverty because that is so much of where he works.
Not as good as last week, but I think it still made a good point.
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I agree that the situation was not so incredibly far-fetched. What I felt was upsetting was the way the characters were made to deal with it.
The bit where Colin makes the baby drink from a miniature of some kind of spirits -- having told her to shut the fuck up. That was horrible, and it wasn't followed up at all. Or making Mick turn into a fake trans-sexual prostitute. What did that gain in comedic terms? Why was Adam's apology at the end so mealy-mouthed? It's those kind of things that not only didn't I find funny, but that seemed pointlessly nasty towards the characters themselves.
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I thought it was brilliant television. Astutely observed. Hard to watch because so real.
Do agree about Mick and Adoha - but I've always thought, since the first series, they were weak, formulaic sitcom 'characters' with no real depth of character and don't really add anything.
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in which case the state church is truly doomed.
Good job we have an established church then, and not a state church.
Interchangeable terms - established = state
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What was completely unrealistic was Alex getting a job in a law firm with "an expanding legal aid department". This at a time when the Ministry of Justice (an appropriate Orwellian-sounding name) is slashing the legal aid budget, legal aid law firms are going out of business all over the country and those that survive may have just one solicitor handling legal aid cases. Meanwhile the number of people who need good legal advice but cannot afford it continues to grow. Many such people are from the "hard-working families" so beloved of politicians of all parties.
As for a legal aid firm having a "client lunch", that is just surreal.
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I think Alex's promotion (or career progress) had to be within the law firm, but in an area that would not cause any moral issues. Yes it was unrealistic, but it was some artistic license to avoid any difficulties.
Mick always strikes me as the representative of the most difficult, problematic, needy element in the society. Many vicarages will recognise the character.
Adoha is also a character that I recognise - the congregation member with a crush on the vicar.
In a sense, they should both make an appearance each time, maybe in a minor role, because they are not a major story in themselves, but are a constant issue - for Adam, they are both constant problems that he needs to manage.
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I liked it. It was depressing, sure, and the sexual tension between Adam and Ellie had been obvious since the beginning. I didn't think that the car park scene was particularly slapstick; I think that misses the point completely. Personally I'd have been looking for the dog turds in that situation. Adan spontaneously doing grace, and even so more doing it in Latin, did seem out of character though.
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As for a legal aid firm having a "client lunch", that is just surreal.
That's exactly what struck me as being utterly absurd.
I thought the episode was crap.
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
in which case the state church is truly doomed.
Good job we have an established church then, and not a state church.
Interchangeable terms - established = state
No they aren't. Germany, Sweden and Norway have a state church and they pay state taxes.
England and Scotland have churches 'by law established'.
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