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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:

Yes, I suspect that there will be something more next week. While I don't think it is the end of the church, I think it does serve as an ending, however temporary.


Yes .... assuming this week was the Passion, next week maybe the Resurrection?



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I think I spotted something in this week's Episode which may be a clue as to what format the 'Resurrection' of the church might take. Won't say any more now, but it will be interesting to see if my spidey senses are right...

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Very poignant and moving (whatever did you see, Chorister? Thanks to iPlayer, I might just go back and see if I can spot it, too!).

Lots of artistic licence, of course - closing an Anglican parish church (unless it's literally falling down) is a looooooooong procedure.....and one of our neighbouring churches is going down that lonely and desolate road at the moment. In their case, there is a suspicion that TPTB are asset-stripping, though I doubt if the sale of the church, hall, and parsonage would fetch anything like £6m!!

Did anyone notice the young chap who asked Adam if he needed a hand with the cross? Not quite Simon of Cyrene.......

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Awesome, an out and out Passion Play.

Oh Lord may the Easter Sunday be written as well as the Good Friday.

I was GOBSMACKED, again and again. God, Pilate, Peter, Judas, Mary, Mary, denial, forsakenness and defeated despair. Turned on by those he loved, forgiven by her whom he hurt.

Awesome.

Please DEAR GOD do not let the last one descend into schmaltz, please let the empty tomb be filled with angels light. For the broken Adam, only ever a sigil of us all.

Also; LAIM NIELSON!!!!!! LOL Awesome!!!!

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Nigel or Ellie as Judas?

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Passion Play? Yes, indeed - almost mediaeval in graphic power........

......and I still have NO IDEA what trace of hope Chorister has seen!

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Originally posted by balaam:
Nigel or Ellie as Judas?

Nigel.

Ellie is the other, worldly Mary.

[ 22. April 2014, 20:38: Message edited by: Pyx_e ]

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Don't forget the archdeacon. Who was he? Herod or Caiaphus?

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I know this sounds daft but: the Holy Spirit, the advocate.

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Hmm....he certainly seems to be more supportive to Adam than in earlier episodes.....

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My gleam of hope is this: the church is closed, but for what? Demolition and sale of the land, or renewal of the wiring? Why put up those temporary lights if you're just going to pull the whole thing down...

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Conversion into accommodation for the homeless (e.g. Colin), with community facilities, and a smaller, better-designed worship area for the parish congregation? Not likely - far too imaginative for the C of E....or is it??

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I'm saying nothing. Yet.


Meanwhile, Pyx_e gets it.

[ 22. April 2014, 21:24: Message edited by: Chorister ]

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I rather suspect that Chorister's mind is moving on a higher plane than mine!

[Overused]

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whose knocking on the door?

and why are there two Katies in next week's cast listings

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Welcome to The Ship btw, Ginaceltia.

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There have been two Katies in the cast listings / credits throughout the series - both with the surname Cruz. I've been assuming that, TV filming not being an ideal environment for very small children, identical twins are being used to play 10-month old Katie, thereby decreasing the amount of time each baby has to spend on set in the role.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I know this sounds daft but: the Holy Spirit, the advocate.

Yes.

I was utterly gobsmacked by how well this episode was put together, and how the whole series has been leading us towards it.

Unfortunately, betrayal isn't that unusual in parish ministry.

I may be reading too much into the writing, but it's easy to see how Nigel's thwarted vocation (been there, got the T shirt) has eaten away at his relationship with Adam and finally exploded as he sees the future of St Saviour's jeopardised by his inadequacies.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I know this sounds daft but: the Holy Spirit, the advocate.

Not strange at all, P, spot on.

I have the strange feeling that Robert will turn out to be the hero of the series.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I know this sounds daft but: the Holy Spirit, the advocate.

I have the strange feeling that Robert will turn out to be the hero of the series.
Again, I don't think that's strange at all either - although I don't by any means claim to have spotted what others seem to have spotted, I've been quite clear from series 1 episode 1 3 or 4 years ago that the archdeacon is annoying and a cause of great stress, but actually right and acting in the best interest of Adam and the Church. For me he's always been the co-lead.

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quote:
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Did anyone notice the young chap who asked Adam if he needed a hand with the cross? Not quite Simon of Cyrene.......

..... I did . The senses had become sharpened after Colin's denial and the cock-crow in the form a burglar alarm going off in the chicken takeaway .

'Want a hand with that mate' -- spoken with just the right intonation . So brief, yet communicating genuine concern towards someone who was in a place of very few friends.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jolly Jape:
quote:
Originally posted by Pyx_e:
I know this sounds daft but: the Holy Spirit, the advocate.

Not strange at all, P, spot on.

I have the strange feeling that Robert will turn out to be the hero of the series.

Me too. And I might have said so 4 pages ago. Not that I'm smug or anything. Oh no. Not a bit of it. [Biased] I can't see what Chorister can see though...

The latest to add to the list of Things Which Are Great About Rev (apart from Liam Neeson as God) is the educational value. I only wish I'd known about "How to complain about a clergyperson" many years ago.

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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
The latest to add to the list of Things Which Are Great About Rev (apart from Liam Neeson as God) is the educational value. I only wish I'd known about "How to complain about a clergyperson" many years ago.

Article 70, or whatever it was, might need a new line at the end: "NB the complainee may not be mollified just because you have technically followed all the correct procedures."
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Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
quote:
Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:
The latest to add to the list of Things Which Are Great About Rev (apart from Liam Neeson as God) is the educational value. I only wish I'd known about "How to complain about a clergyperson" many years ago.

Article 70, or whatever it was, might need a new line at the end: "NB the complainee may not be mollified just because you have technically followed all the correct procedures."
...but following the correct proceedure would be a goodsstart, not to mention a pleasant change. [Mad]

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Sorry, Jt9, didn't spot that.

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Don't read too much into me 'spotting something'. It's probably nothing significant. But then again...

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He was betrayed by Judas (Nigel) by means of a kiss (Ellis). Robert conducted the trial. Colin denied him 3 X before the 'Massive Cock' crowed. Herod (Bishop) washed his hands of him. The young fella offered to carry the cross...I've just watched it again and picked up half a dozen things I missed the first time. Still leaves me questioning the significance of other bits - for example why did the Bishop seem hungover? There must be some relevance to that surely? Other bits and pieces also have left me wondering if I've missed something.....I can't wait until next week.

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Sorry, Jt9, didn't spot that.

Ha! Don't be daft. I was just showing off. [Big Grin]

Yes, why did the Bishop have a headache? The way he flinched at the light made it look more like a migraine to me (as a sufferer). Or perhaps I'm just reading meaning into everything now.....

Never have I looked forward to telly so much as I am next week's episode.

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I'm still not sure that Nigel is Judas though.

After discussions in the balaam household we have Nigel as the Sanhedrin, all rules and no compassion. Not that it really matters, if we over anylise we could spoil what was a superb episode.

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Yes, why did the Bishop have a headache? The way he flinched at the light made it look more like a migraine to me (as a sufferer). Or perhaps I'm just reading meaning into everything now.....
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Wasn’t the Bishop’s headache just a clumsy way of explaining why he needed to wash his hands…

(He needed an aspirin – Adam offered him one – then couldn’t find it and gave him chocolate instead – that made his hands sticky and he had to wash them…)

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quote:
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... Herod (Bishop) washed his hands of him...

Wasn’t that Pilate, not Herod?

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Yes, the Bishop is indeed Pilate ('I find no fault in him').

Not sure about the headache, but Pilate was also having an off day (what with the Jews, Herod, and his wife all banging on at him......).

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Of course it's Pilate, how daft of me. [Roll Eyes]

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I also got the impression that the bishop found the whole process and situation a difficult one. There was something of his pain with the situation he was in.

But I suspect at core, it was to give him a reason to wash his hands.

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My prediction is that the Archdeacon will turn out to be Joseph of Arimathea, and be instrumental in providing Adam with a bolt hole from which he can be rescued/raised. A gay person can't be portrayed as a total baddie these days.

I don't agree that Nigel isn't really Judas after all. The two harpies are the Sanhedrin. It is expedient that the church be sold for the diocese's funds.

That church, by the way, would be difficult to dispose of for offices. It's too architectural. It's not some ghastly faux-gothic thing in 'correct' Decorated, with encaustic tiles and pitch pine pews. You'd have English Heritage getting in the way.

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In The Master and Margherita Pilate has a headache. Maybe that's why the bishop has to take an aspirin?

I am thinking about Pentecost, and wondering if the church will be reborn in a new form without Ada and without the building.

[ 24. April 2014, 09:12: Message edited by: Niminypiminy ]

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That church, by the way, would be difficult to dispose of for offices. It's too architectural. It's not some ghastly faux-gothic thing in 'correct' Decorated, with encaustic tiles and pitch pine pews. You'd have English Heritage getting in the way.

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In The Master and Margherita Pilate has a headache. Maybe that's why the bishop has to take an aspirin?

I am thinking about Pentecost, and wondering if the church will be reborn in a new form without Ada and without the building.

Ah. A Fresh Expression.

I think also, there is deliberate echoing of other works. There were one or two Pasolini bits.

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Was there any significance to the three knocks heard just after the Church is darkened at the end?

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Was there any significance to the three knocks heard just ar the Church is darkened at the end?

It would be pretty cool if it were Liam Neeson trying to get in for a kip. You know, foxes have holes, and all that.

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I only hope - and pray - that after all this discussion, we're not disappointed.....!! [Ultra confused]

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Was there any significance to the three knocks heard just after the Church is darkened at the end?

How about Tenebrae? It was a custom to slam shut the books at the end. Now that tenebrae is out of fashion, some have transferred that action to the end of Ps. 22 when the altars have been stripped on Maundy Thursday.

Re speculation about the final episode, I would like it to have Adam transferred to another church where lay reader isn't such a prat.

However, after reading the Radio Times, I suspect will end on a very unhappy note.

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Even if transferred to another church (God help 'em!), Nigel would still be a total prat.

Better he be exterminated.

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Even if transferred to another church (God help 'em!), Nigel would still be a total prat.

Better he be exterminated.

I would think the news that Nigel was a complainant against his incumbent would leak out. A Reader/LLM is licensed to a specific incumbent, so any transfer would need that incumbent's acceptance. His current Warden of Readers would be asked "Is Nigel 'safe to receive'?". Guess the answer...
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Originally posted by Enoch:
That church, by the way, would be difficult to dispose of for offices. It's too architectural. It's not some ghastly faux-gothic thing in 'correct' Decorated, with encaustic tiles and pitch pine pews. You'd have English Heritage getting in the way.

It actually sits North of Spitalfields, an area where they have not always gone down the preservation route as they should, or might in other places.

Money talks. A church worth a couple of million might not get sold and reconverted. A church worth 10-15 million might find the route is rather easier for a "tasteful" conversion.

I happen to know that about 10 minutes walk away, there is a whole lot of fuss over the redevelopment of the old London Fruit and Wool Exchange. I believe the developers have won that one.

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Alison Graham in the Radio Times is very melancholy about the way Rev has gone, in the short piece introducing Monday, and her longer column at the front. And there's a nice piece about the palindromic Colin.

It is too sad.

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To be comic it doesn't have to be laugh-a-minute, a more fitting expression would be 'black humour'. Like they say about Shakespeare, it's 'a tragedy, a comedy, a melodrama'.

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Originally posted by Jemima the 9th:

Why did the Bishop have a headache? The way he flinched at the light made it look more like a migraine to me (as a sufferer). Or perhaps I'm just reading meaning into everything now.....

Yes, what with that, and the other analysis, are we going a bit davinci code over a sit-com about a downtrodden vicar ? [Razz]
Not really . I'm lovin this thread and positively can't wait to see comment on the final episode .

BTW . Offering chocolate to someone with a headache did seem strange, cocoa often makes headaches worse.
Was the chocolate symbolic of secular Easter ? And maybe the Bishop's headache is symbolic of the CofE's current collective headache .......

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[Razz] But but but, it's the best telly there's been for months, and great telly deserves endless over-analysis! I haven't had this much fun since Sherlock! [Big Grin]
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If Nigel is Judas, who has offered him money ?

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