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Jemima the 9th
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Good question. The evil Diocesan Sec & Area Dean? Or if not money, perhaps opportunity of advancement? ("Anyone can see how wasted your talents are here, Nigel....") Though it probably couldn't work like that logistically.
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I've just completed an online survey on 'Rev' for "Christian Surveys", having been invited to do so by email. No idea who they are. However, I did not check the "don't send me the results" box, so I might be able to post a link to the results here in due course.
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Balaam said:"After discussions in the balaam household we have Nigel as the Sanhedrin, all rules and no compassion. "
Yes, Law not grace.
I loved it. Adam stops striving, gets to the end of himself and meets God.
It's sad, but truthful, that the behaviour of the parishoners is destroying the thing they love.
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I think the series is so well written that it copes with very intense analysis. That doesn't mean there will not be issues or discrepancies found by this, but that there is a whole lot of meaning in the shows - this davinci-like analysis is built in.
But it is built into the whole series, of which there is still one episode to go. Some of the analysis may have to wait for the final episode, because we don't yet have all of the information.
It is worth considering that ep 3 was generally disliked here. But it was crucial to the last two episodes. What is more, in the context of the whole series so far, it made a lot of sense.
At 6 episodes, they can make it almost like a single story, with sub aspects.
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One of the more interesting aspects (from my perspective) is the unpopularity SC alludes too. I think these episodes are less well liked because they are uncomfortable and the "hero" is seen to be weak, frail and hurt by the outrageous slings and arrows. We want and expect our heroes to be steely eyed and untouchable. Adam is so not that.
What is disturbing my Christianity is the (always known) truth that Christ was not like that either. Nothing else has recently shown me how He was truly lost and hurt, not some blue eyed wonderkid but a person, hated for trying to do His best, by everyone, friend and foe alike.
Deeply moving and challenging.
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Originally posted by Higgs Bosun:
I've just completed an online survey on 'Rev' for "Christian Surveys", having been invited to do so by email. No idea who they are. However, I did not check the "don't send me the results" box, so I might be able to post a link to the results here in due course.
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
One of the more interesting aspects (from my perspective) is the unpopularity SC alludes too. I think these episodes are less well liked because they are uncomfortable and the "hero" is seen to be weak, frail and hurt by the outrageous slings and arrows. ...
I don't think that's the problem at all. It's much more that this series hitherto has been comedy and trailed as such. We've no problem with the central figure in a comedy series being a bit inept or even vulnerable, whatever that overused word means.
Where this series has suddenly become more challenging is that it's turned serious in two ways that leave viewers unsure how to take it. The obvious one was the strong echo last Monday of the Via Dolorosa. The more subtle one, though, which has been building up particularly since the statue scene, is that is it funny to watch a decent person - who isn't a total prat like Basil Fawlty - falling apart, emotionally, psychically and spiritually?
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Sorry, folks, but, having sat through the whole series now, I regard the breaking of the artwork as this programme's 'jump the shark' moment. Since then, there has been one implausibility and overblown reaction after another, and then an all-too-obvious headlong rush into some grand theological flourishes. Ruined it for me.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
One of the more interesting aspects (from my perspective) is the unpopularity SC alludes too. I think these episodes are less well liked because they are uncomfortable and the "hero" is seen to be weak, frail and hurt by the outrageous slings and arrows. ...
I don't think that's the problem at all. It's much more that this series hitherto has been comedy and trailed as such. We've no problem with the central figure in a comedy series being a bit inept or even vulnerable, whatever that overused word means.
Where this series has suddenly become more challenging is that it's turned serious in two ways that leave viewers unsure how to take it. The obvious one was the strong echo last Monday of the Via Dolorosa. The more subtle one, though, which has been building up particularly since the statue scene, is that is it funny to watch a decent person - who isn't a total prat like Basil Fawlty - falling apart, emotionally, psychically and spiritually?
Yes, I think that's a good point. For me, this is its greatness and audacity, that it is balancing between comedy and tragedy, a very difficult thing to do. Very few artists can manage it, maybe Dickens, although he tends to fall into pathos.
I just think that contemporary TV is scaling amazing heights today.
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Originally posted by Frankly My Dear:
Sorry, folks, but, having sat through the whole series now, I regard the breaking of the artwork as this programme's 'jump the shark' moment. Since then, there has been one implausibility and overblown reaction after another, and then an all-too-obvious headlong rush into some grand theological flourishes. Ruined it for me.
Yes, a lot (most?) of it is implausible. As I said earlier, if it were a serious drama I'd be picking all sorts of holes in it, but it isn't so I'm not.
Implausible, yes, but still extremely well written and brilliantly acted by all the cast.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
One of the more interesting aspects (from my perspective) is the unpopularity SC alludes too. I think these episodes are less well liked because they are uncomfortable and the "hero" is seen to be weak, frail and hurt by the outrageous slings and arrows. ...
I don't think that's the problem at all. It's much more that this series hitherto has been comedy and trailed as such. We've no problem with the central figure in a comedy series being a bit inept or even vulnerable, whatever that overused word means.
Where this series has suddenly become more challenging is that it's turned serious in two ways that leave viewers unsure how to take it. The obvious one was the strong echo last Monday of the Via Dolorosa. The more subtle one, though, which has been building up particularly since the statue scene, is that is it funny to watch a decent person - who isn't a total prat like Basil Fawlty - falling apart, emotionally, psychically and spiritually?
It's never been purely comedy. From the beginning, there's been a dark, poignant side to it. If anyone thought it was just comedy, they were missing the point in a big way. And to prove that this isn't 20/20 hindsight, I said it wasn't exactly comedy even before this series started.
Go back to the first series - look at the story of how the window got smashed. How Adam was both attracted and repulsed by Darren's slick performance. How he's always caught between what's expedient or convenient, and various muddled and unclear ideas of what the right thing would be. I'll give you that this series has got darker, but that element has always been there.
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![[Razz]](tongue.gif) But but but, it's the best telly there's been for months, and great telly deserves endless over-analysis! I haven't had this much fun since Sherlock! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Absolutely Rev. is pure gold .
It gets to the stage you only have to see Archdeacon Robert pull one of those expressions, or for Colin to utter a sentence, and you're right in the zone.
BTW. Did anyone else see what looked like Ellie in the Passion sequence ? It was the quickest of shots, (had to freeze frame it), where she looked very much like the traditionally held version of Mary Magdalene .
If we are to be doing symbolic Resurrection in the last episode , my prediction is Adam and Ellie will make a go of it, and set up a charismatic church .
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... If we are to be doing symbolic Resurrection in the last episode , my prediction is Adam and Ellie will make a go of it, and set up a charismatic church .
Hope I'm wrong , hate spoilers
So do I. That would be really bad theology. Adam is married to Alex.
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And besides, who in their right mind (as Adam obviously is) would leave Olivia Coleman ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) ?
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I've been PMd by another shipmate who has spotted exactly the same thing as me. Interesting.
Only three days to go (as the cognoscenti said on Good Friday.....)
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And besides, who in their right mind (as Adam obviously is) would leave Olivia Coleman ?
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And besides, who in their right mind (as Adam obviously is) would leave Olivia Coleman ?
Well, for Lucy Liemann, it would be a real problem.
(I love them both. Adam gets both of them, albeit with one threatening to tear his bollocks off if he touches the other).
I think the real power of the series for me is that I am Adam. A lot of the time, the things that reflect my faith are ridiculous - that was reflected in the earlier episodes, and is the comedy of the series.
At the same time, Adam is trying really hard to be a faithful Christian. He doesn't always manage it, but he knows when he gets it wrong. He is so often on his own - supported by Alex, but still, his spiritual journey is a solitary one.
And that is the power and the genius of it. Sometimes it is implausible, but it is a creative exploration of what faith means.
I have never carried a large cross through the high street. But I have been there with him. Often. I know what it means.
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Go back to the first series - look at the story of how the window got smashed. How Adam was both attracted and repulsed by Darren's slick performance. How he's always caught between what's expedient or convenient, and various muddled and unclear ideas of what the right thing would be. I'll give you that this series has got darker, but that element has always been there.
Yes, I think you're right - the dangerous attraction to Ellie was there from the early days as well.
I've only just seen the most recent episode and I found it very touching. You could say that it some ways it was predictable, but it was still fresh. I applaud it for trying to say something real about Christianity that speaks to both believers and non-believers. I think it's an example of what Keats called 'negative capability' - the ability to rest creatively in ambiguity and uncertainty.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
If we are to be doing symbolic Resurrection in the last episode , my prediction is Adam and Ellie will make a go of it, and set up a charismatic church .
I recall him being negative about charismatic churches in the episode about that slick-evo guy. Adam comes across as being MOR.
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
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Originally posted by rolyn:
If we are to be doing symbolic Resurrection in the last episode , my prediction is Adam and Ellie will make a go of it, and set up a charismatic church .
I recall him being negative about charismatic churches in the episode about that slick-evo guy. Adam comes across as being MOR.
Adam fell and sustained a head injury and then saw a vision of God. So the way of the Cross might have been doing double duty as the road to Damascus. If Saul became fairly charismatic I suppose Adam might too. However in my professional opinion, I'm a Registered Nurse by trade, I think he needs to get that injury sorted out soon because they can turn very nasty if neglected.
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3 day coma ?
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Ah Ha ! Nice one DT .
Yes, I've got it now . Adam goes into a delayed coma after his fall , Ellie thinks he's dead and goes into grief realising she loved him all along . Then he wakes up, and then they ride off into the sunset having created a new religion in the process.....
< Nerd Alert -- I've just watched the episode a 3rd time, have now deleted it as I don't wish to become the Rev. version of a Trekkie > ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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The thing that struck me most was the fact that after "meeting God" the next thing Adam did was resign. This puzzled me at first because from the usual TV/movie story-telling point of view, the Liam Neeson moment was the "turning point" after which the main character clearly sees his path and proceeds to do the right thing which then resolves the plot (happily usually).
But of course in this case many of us will not think of him resigning as the "right" thing necessarily (I mean right in a story sense as well as morally. Adam's fundamentally a good guy and a decent priest and therefore should "win" and not have to give it up.) AND there's still a part two so there's more plot to come and the turning point is not as close to the end as it usually is.
But there is of course another way to look at this which is the analogue with the Easter story. The Neeson scene in that context looks more like Gethsemane maybe?
Anyway maybe it is the right thing for Adam to resign. Maybe the story being told is that a Good Man needs to "die to" the religious establishment and be "resurrected" outside of it. In other words I wouldn't be surprised if Adam ends up still a Christian but not necessarily a working priest.
Maybe not. I will stick my neck out and say that St. Saviours will close. I think whatever redemption there is at the end of the story - and there will be some - Rev. has tried to give at least a truthful "flavour" of the current state of the CofE and I think it would be a radical departure for some last minute miraculous turn of events to save the building. (Ha! I nearly wrote Deus Ex Machina ending) As appropriate as that may be to Christian imagery it would strike a wrong note with the existing tone of the show IMHO.
But who knows. We'll soon see.
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Maybe The Rapture will occur........if it does, who do you think will go, and who will stay??
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Hairy Biker, you are a Very Bad Person, so to put temptation in our way....... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
.....but if everyone who watches Rev. regularly could somehow put ten shillings in the pot, St. Leonard's would have more than enough - not only to merely survive, but to expand their mission an outreach.......
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See... I said what Doublethink suggested when I first watched it and was persuaded by Mr Pia that it was a stupid suggestion. But now I've looked at HairyBiker's link [it's OK, no spoilers] and I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, my first thought was the right (if implausible) one.
I rewatched the episode yesterday, but the only additional thing that I noticed was how the Bishop broke the chocolate as if he were breaking the bread...
Is it nearly tomorrow yet?
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Someone I follow on Twitter posted a [url= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdIKX3nsWE&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]link to a You tube preview[/url] for the final episode - the archdeacon and a reference...
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Aargh I'm sure I deleted that space my tablet insists on putting in when I paste something, but it wouldn't let me preview (just gave me a blank tab). Sorry hosts.
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One more day to go!
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Higgs Bosun, what are these Christian Surveys and how does one join them?
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Originally posted by StevHep:
Adam fell and sustained a head injury and then saw a vision of God. So the way of the Cross might have been doing double duty as the road to Damascus. If Saul became fairly charismatic I suppose Adam might too.
I get your point that this may lead him to a change of spirituality (for want of a better word).
That he believes to have had a vision of God doesn't mean that he had a vision of God, of course. Still, I guess that issues of false visions wouldn't be in the script.
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Higgs Bosun, what are these Christian Surveys and how does one join them?
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The actual survey is done by an organization website at 'snapsurveys.com', but the sponsor is christian-research.org. I have no idea how they obtained my email address. I would suspect that they don't want people offering to do surveys, as this can create significant sample bias in the results.
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Originally posted by Pia:
I rewatched the episode yesterday, but the only additional thing that I noticed was how the Bishop broke the chocolate as if he were breaking the bread...
Yes, I noticed that too. I think the metaphors were a bit mixed up.
I also noticed that we ended episode 5, not on Good Friday, but at the end of Maundy Thursday - church stripped bare, dark and in silence. I think we'll be in for some more pain before the glorious resurrection finale.
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I also noticed that we ended episode 5, not on Good Friday, but at the end of Maundy Thursday - church stripped bare, dark and in silence. I think we'll be in for some more pain before the glorious resurrection finale.
But we had already had the carrying of the cross. It was not a passion play in a modern setting, it was a story reflecting the Easter story.
This week has to be resurrection as a primary theme, I think. But I have no idea what this will mean. And I am NOT reading any spoilers.
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Wasn't Adam's meeting with God / Liam Neeson his resurrection? Is the story arc focussing on Adam's story or the story of St Saviour's?
And that clergy disciplinary measure means that valid complaints aren't made either. e.g. Member of clergy whom all the Funeral Directors complained bitterly about to the church and there were so many other cock ups in addition ... A complaint of incompetency from the same church goes through the same system. The funeral directors couldn't see why the church couldn't deal with it.
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WTF is James Mumford? Who pissed in his Cheerios?
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Is this the same person do you think?
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Is this the same person do you think?
Has all the hallmarks. The disgruntlement of the HTB crowd at Rev is one of the sadder and funnier things surrounding it.
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I don't know - but he just happens to be the brother of Marcus Mumford (Mumford & Sons) whose father was a noted New Church leader back in the 80s.
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Even if transferred to another church (God help 'em!), Nigel would still be a total prat.
Better he be exterminated.
A Reader/LLM is licensed to a specific incumbent, so any transfer would need that incumbent's acceptance.
Wrong. A Reader is licensed to a parish, a deanery and/or a diocese. To be licensed to a parish needs the acceptance of the PCC, which in practice often means the Churchwardens giving formal approval on behalf of the congregation. Formal approval from an incumbent is also usually needed. Most dioceses have a procedure for periodic re-licensing which for a parish Reader would need the formal endorsement of the incumbent and a Churchwarden.
Aside from Adam Smallbone most of the characters in Rev are recognisable caricatures but Nigel seems to do duty as a combination of all of them. He's portrayed as a full-time working colleague, rather like am assistant priest but without any obvious function. He robes for services but doesn't take an active part. In the last episode he's shown sitting in his chair doing nothing while everyone waits for a priest to arrive. In reality he would have been taking the first part of the service. Most of all - what does he do for a living? Do the makers of Rev really think a Reader is paid by the Church?
I like Adam as a priest - he's a genuine believer and warm and caring as a pastor. His brief fling with Ellie was a matter of genuine concern to his wife but without clear evidence of serious wrongdoing I don't think it would be a matter for anyone else to turn into a formal complaint.
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Do the makers of Rev really think a Reader is paid by the Church?
Considering the level of research which has gone into Rev I think that's unlikely.
I would like to think that the mystery of Nigel's occupation and his 'fictional' Supermodel girlfriend may be explained.
For all we know, she may be real and Nigel is a 'kept man' or even a unemployed fantasist who dreams of being a Clergyman....!
(We had one of those in the orbit of my church in the 80's who dressed up in a Surplice and even fraudulently took Services(elsewhere) - so it may not be outside the experience of the clergy advisors).
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Son of a preacherman
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WTF is James Mumford? Who pissed in his Cheerios?
Well, whoever the F he his - I would like to thank him. The comments thread for his 'article' brought me back to SoF after a fairly long absence from lurking... and I have loved reading this thread.
I am so looking forward to the finale.
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I don't know - but he just happens to be the brother of Marcus Mumford (Mumford & Sons) whose father was a noted New Church leader back in the 80s.
Still is! Still are, I should say, as it's James and Marcus Mumford's father and mother who are the national leaders (for that is their title, apparently) of the UK & Ireland Vineyard Churches organisation.
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Ah - I don't move much in those circles, so I didn't know. Thanks.
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A Reader/LLM is licensed to a specific incumbent, so any transfer would need that incumbent's acceptance.
Wrong. A Reader is licensed to a parish, a deanery and/or a diocese. To be licensed to a parish needs the acceptance of the PCC, which in practice often means the Churchwardens giving formal approval on behalf of the congregation. Formal approval from an incumbent is also usually needed. Most dioceses have a procedure for periodic re-licensing which for a parish Reader would need the formal endorsement of the incumbent and a Churchwarden.
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I am looking at my licence. It explicitly names my incumbent (within the deanery, not the parish, interestingly). When our incumbent changed, I needed a new license.
(In London) when someone is proposed for reader training it needs the approval of the incumbent and the PCC. The latter is evidenced by the signature of the PCC secretary (not a Church Warden, unless they are the same) to say that the PCC passed a motion of support.
When a transfer is requested, the new incumbent has to sign to say that the PCC approves.
Relicensing requires a simple message (an email sufficed last year) indicates that the incumbent and PCC is willing to have a reader relicensed.
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WTF is James Mumford? Who pissed in his Cheerios?
Well, whoever the F he his - I would like to thank him. The comments thread for his 'article' brought me back to SoF after a fairly long absence from lurking... and I have loved reading this thread.
Lest people form a judgement of James Mumford from an HTB testimony, you might like to read this. Some HTBers might have more connection with places like the parish of St Saviour's than you might think.
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