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Baptist Trainfan
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
A year ago I replaced my second-hand mattress that I had slept on for twelve years. (The other person had used it for at least four years.) I was very tired of rolling into the ditch every night.
So after shopping and quite a bit of research, I decided to get a hybrid memory foam/ enclosed spring replacement. This has been a fabulous choice!
One word of warning, it must not be turned! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Well, you can turn it horizontally ...
We've got one and it's great.
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LeRoc
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My bed is too short for me.
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Doublethink.
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How tall are you ?
Weirdly, as someone of only 5ft 4, I have that problem and it is a factor in the currently planned bed change - that's why I am going king size.
I find I end up sleeping diagonally across the bed with one foot wedged between the mattress and the footboard. I think it comes of going to sleep in the superman position - though I always wake up curled on my side.
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LeRoc
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Doublethink: How tall are you ?
6'4". A bit taller than the average Brazilian ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Doublethink.
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Have you considered a hammock ?
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LeRoc
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Doublethink: Have you considered a hammock ?
Yes, I sleep in a hammock very often actually. When I travel into the rain forest, that's often the only option. I don't know if I'd like to sleep always in a hammock though.
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Originally posted by Wesley J:
For some time I had some plastic containers on wheels with lids under the bed. Those you can move. Again, helps with cleaning. (Dust mites don't agree with me!)
We've got these, for videos for the LL and his father, and they work great. As long as some nameless monster-under-the-bed doesn't forget to slide them QUITE back under the bed, and I end up barking the back of my ankle on the plastic edge.
![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) Still, things stay cleaner and organized, and it's that much harder for the Chihuahua to create a lair under there.
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jedijudy
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
A year ago I replaced my second-hand mattress that I had slept on for twelve years. (The other person had used it for at least four years.) I was very tired of rolling into the ditch every night.
So after shopping and quite a bit of research, I decided to get a hybrid memory foam/ enclosed spring replacement. This has been a fabulous choice!
One word of warning, it must not be turned!
Well, you can turn it horizontally ...
We've got one and it's great.
Mine has a dedicated head and foot, so no turning at all. Yay!
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Gracious rebel
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Bought a new bed last year and chose it simply on the basis that we find it really beautiful
At the time we couldn't really afford much new stuff, so it was an extravagance (although the old bed desperately needed replacing), but one we don't regret at all. Its also pretty comfortable. And I love the chunky pillars that are big enough to set things down on. Yes the headboard does need pillows placed to be able to lean on, but the style and awesomeness of this bed so makes up for that.
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ecumaniac
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Surely you need a fourposter for gothic bondage ...
If your bed frame is wooden it's pretty easy to add, ahem, after-market modifications.
Most fourposters aren't really designed for any sort of load bearing - you've been warned!!
Seriously though. I have a memory foam mattress - best thing ever! For cheapness reasons it is regular foam with a layer of memory foam on the top, so more firm than most memory foams but I actually prefer it this way.
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LeRoc
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Gothic bondage on a bed? A soft mattress to keep it nice and comfortable? I'm disappointed.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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In answer to your final question, how long does a good mattress last, I remember sitting on my Grandmother and Grandfather's bed and remarking how very soft the mattress was. My Grandmother replied that it had been the hardest mattress available when it had been brought for them as a wedding present. They had recently celebrated their golden wedding anniversary! The mattress was originally from Harrods. So, in the case of a quality mattress, a long time...
A bit more affordable, this mattress has lasted me nearly twenty years, and is still incredibly comfortable. It's a hard mattress, but very good value compared to your usual John Lewis etc prices.
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Penny S
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I might bookmark that for replacement of my current mattress, which doesn't look as if it will last as long as its predecessor. I note that it comes in 3ft6in, which I had trouble finding before. Choice didn't come into it.
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L'organist
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If you've had major back surgery (classified as such if it involves a spinal fusion more than 10cm in length, plus some other conditions) then, with the requisite note from your consultant, you can buy an approved mattress without paying VAT.
This includes Tempur mattresses (but not the matching base, unfortunately).
Failing that, buy the best mattress you can afford and, if it is sprung, turn it: lengthways as well as over, to ensure even wear.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by iamchristianhearmeroar:
In answer to your final question, how long does a good mattress last, I remember sitting on my Grandmother and Grandfather's bed and remarking how very soft the mattress was. My Grandmother replied that it had been the hardest mattress available when it had been brought for them as a wedding present. They had recently celebrated their golden wedding anniversary! The mattress was originally from Harrods. So, in the case of a quality mattress, a long time...
A bit more affordable, this mattress has lasted me nearly twenty years, and is still incredibly comfortable. It's a hard mattress, but very good value compared to your usual John Lewis etc prices.
Interesting, that is not pocket sprung - but seems to have lasted really well.
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Brenda Clough
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Cheap mattresses do not last well. I spent a small fortune (about $3000 US) on a mattress set some years ago, and it was worth it -- far the most comfortable sleep ever.
Also, if you are planning to use a metal bed frame? Do not use the cheap light ones they give with the mattress. If you go on line you can fine far sturdier ones, with many more legs and supporting members. This really does make all the difference.
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iamchristianhearmeroar
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Interesting, that is not pocket sprung - but seems to have lasted really well.
Yes, it's not a well known brand but very well made - I only know of them as they're near to my parents in Shropshire.
Not a huge fan of pocket sprung mattresses - I find them far too soft. And my wife and I have had no problem with this mattress with any rolling into the middle (unintentionally) which I know some people find with non-pocket sprung mattresses. I'm a pretty hefty 6'3'' and my wife is a foot shorter than me, and we've had no issues at all.
We've been pretty diligent with turning the mattress so it has worn very evenly.
As I mentioned before it is a *hard* mattress, which we both like, although has softened with age of course. I had a "hard" mattress from John Lewis at one stage (in rented accommodation) and it was pretty soft in comparison, and the build quality far, far lower.
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Ferdzy
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As the spouse of an asthmatic person I suggest you be very careful with foam - many of them off-gas for a very long time. Memory foam is among the worst in my experience. It doesn't seem to bother many people, but if you are asthmatic you are not likely to be one of them.
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Sir Kevin
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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
...I am putting off installing the wheeled frame (to which the headboard must be attached) because I want to contrive some sort of under-bed storage or at least get some boards at the lumber yard and use them to block things from getting under the bed!
I worked v. hard Tuesday, rehabbing our living quarters and reducing clutter for at least four hours. I accomplished all of the above but had to send my wife on an errand so I could finish everything before she entered the house!
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Jane R
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Your parents don't look in your bedside cabinets ?
Mine don't. Either they are afraid of what they will find, or they think my life is so dull they won't find anything interesting.
Memory foam is not all it's cracked up to be. It *sounds* like a wonderful idea, but what actually happens is that when you get into bed, you slide into whatever contorted position you occupied the previous night.
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Zacchaeus
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Having invested in a new mattrass just 2 months ago I wish this thread had been earlier....
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Brenda Clough
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If you want inconvenience combined with discomfort, there is nothing like a good old-fashioned water bed.
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Heavenly Anarchist
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Originally posted by Brenda Clough:
If you want inconvenience combined with discomfort, there is nothing like a good old-fashioned water bed.
I once nursed someone a medical waterbed (in the 80s) and it was awful. As well as being impractical for most of our care work, every time we tried to move her a wave would go across the bed, crash into her and she'd be left bobbing up and down.
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Brenda Clough
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And they are cold, unless fitted with a heater for the water. (And do not think about sex.)
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We sleep on a huge cast-iron bed with what-once-were-brass-plated knobs on it, found in an attic bedroom of my uncle when he died. It had last been slept on at the end of the war by my grandparents, just before the army un-requisitioned the main bedroom of the house and they moved back downstairs. It had gone a bit rusty during its dank 65 year sojourn, as the paint peeled off the walls and ceiling and the mattress (getting on 18" of wire springs, wooden slats, horsehair, and string) decomposed.
At the same time I found some odds and ends he brought back from Berlin at the end of the war (so I am now a de facto collector of 3rd Reich memorabilia) and quite a lot his father dumped there on demob from the navy at the end of the great war. All softly moldering - I have never been struck so strongly by that 'store your riches in heaven, where rust and moth can't get them' thing.
My (81-yr-old) mother, commenting on the bed - "I think I might have been conceived on that"...
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I once had a cleaning job when I was a student, in a house where they had one of those old Victorian brass bedsteads with real brass knobs on. You only had to cross the floor with its creaking, irregular floorboards and the bed started jangling in sympathy. What it must have been like with two people being active in it didn't bear thinking about, but I guess the neighbours were well used to it.
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Mattress toppers saved my career when I had to sleep in various places where the beds had been overused. Thankfully I left A&E before the bed bug incident.
These days I have a ridiculously large bed because it was so pretty in the showroom. It's a little bulky for the room it's in, but so comfy. I turn the mattress when Mr C is in a good mood becuase it needs two small people. It has a slatted base but seems not to bother the mattress, and it has wooden slats in the headboard and footboard which are great for leaning on.
I'm a terrible hoarder, so there are boxes galore under there.
Cattyish, needing to go to the decluttering thread.
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Thyme
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I bought a new double bed and headboard recently. I was staying near a branch of 'Dreams' and had a spare morning so decided to buy the bed.
I got a memory foam mattress. I was told it didn't need turning so that was a plus, and that it remembers its own shape, not mine, so shouldn't have the problems of developing a hollow.
I think there are two reasons for using mattress toppers. Firstly it helps protect the mattress and secondly, a good quality one really helps with the comfort on an old or too hard mattress. A friend bought a mattress topper recently and found this saved her having to buy a new mattress.
I got a divan with drawers each side. I thought it would less of a dust collecter than underbed storage. Never thought of carpet beetles! I tried an ottoman but although this gives more storage than the drawers it was more difficult to open and I felt it wouldn't be a good long term choice at my age.
The 'Dreams' salesman seemed to know his stuff, the delivery and assembly was all very efficient and I am very pleased. If he was talking ***** I think I prefer not be disillusioned.
The story about the store mattress being different because it had been overused in the store is terrible. The people should have been able to return the bed. 'Dreams' were very keen on their no questions returns policy. I don't have any reason to try it but their service so far suggests they would honour it. Hope the store in question wasn't 'Dreams'.
Sorry if I am sounding like a 'Dreams' advert, but I had been putting off the whole new bed project because there is so much choice and it is so difficult to make a decision and they did make it fairly painless.
I certainly wasn't going to buy online before trying and the thought of trecking round bed shops trying to remember it all was very depressing.
I do agree that the divan beds these days seem very high.
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Penny S
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My niece has a feather topper, which reminds me of my grandparents' featherbed. I have toyed with the idea of getting one, but find the idea of being between it and the duvet odd.
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I remember washing someone's feather pillows for them when house sitting once, blinking things took days to dry!
Saying that I've always found washing synthetic pillows can make them lumpy, anyone got any tips to stop this?
I tend to stick to synthetics cos of the welfare issues with feathers and down although a number of shops are using more ethical sources now.
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I have asthma so no memory foam for me as it off-gases formaldehyde.
I use synthetic pillows and they are washed weekly in hot water and tumbled dry. I don't notice any lumpiness but maybe that is due to drying them in the dryer. It doesn't seem to hurt them at all and so maybe give that a try.
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Sir Kevin
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Our bed is fine: no extra add-add-ons.
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Thyme
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I didn't know about the risks for asthmatics with memory foam. So far I haven't had a problem.
The only time I tried washing synthetic pillows they went horribly lumpy. Now I use pillow protectors and buy cheap pillows that can be replaced frequently.
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Doublethink.
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I am asthmatic and use a memory foam pillow without a noticeable problem, but I don't like deep memory foam on mattresses - I feel stuck.
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FWIW we have a pine bed (slatted base) and hand made pocket sprung mattress one gauge firmer than "orthopaedic" because my back demands a firm mattress.
19 years on it's still going strong with no signs of excessive give or sagging. All made by Taurus Pine Beds for considerably less than a quality divan and mattress would have cost from a high street supplier.
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Doublethink.
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They look as if they do some good deals, the underbed drawers look good too.
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Doublethink.
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Found this, which ikea sell as a box spring / mattress foundation - which is definitely a different animal from these which are sold as divans.
I was going to say I didn't think you could buy boxsprings in the uk - until I found this on the ikea site.
Presumably you could place it between the bedstead and the mattress, if you could resolve the height issues.
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Drifting Star
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Originally posted by Thyme:
The story about the store mattress being different because it had been overused in the store is terrible. The people should have been able to return the bed. 'Dreams' were very keen on their no questions returns policy. I don't have any reason to try it but their service so far suggests they would honour it. Hope the store in question wasn't 'Dreams'.
Afraid it was Dreams, and their returns policy has so many disclaimers that it isn't worth much. I hope you don't need to use it.
I'd question the statement about memory foam remembering it's own shape too - they told me that, but only after they'd told me it would remember my shape and I'd said I didn't want that.
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Thyme
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Oh dear! So far my 'Dreams' shopping experience has been good. Hopefully I won't need to return the bed.
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Thyme
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Just looked up this question about what it is memory foam remembers and it seems it is a both/and situation.
Wiki says:
"Higher-density memory foam softens in reaction to body heat, allowing it to mold to a warm body in a few minutes. Faster speed of recovery of a foam to its original shape after a weight is removed is sometimes claimed as an advantage by memory-foam mattress producers, who may talk of "newer generation" foams with "faster recovery."
Also, the problems for asthmatics;
"Emissions from memory foam mattresses may directly cause more respiratory irritation than other mattresses; however mildew and house dust mites may not occur as frequently, so asthma attacks may be less frequent and severe"
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Doublethink.
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Went window come mattress come bed shopping. Can't think why the sales assisstant was laughing at me - all I did was combat roll between the beds next to each other when trying the mattresses
The experience has confirmed me in my view that I don't like foam mattresses, and that beyond a certain point I can't tell apart really expensive mattresses. This is reassuring for my wallet. Sadly, I can tell polyester upholstery from natural, which is less good for my wallet.
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L'organist
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I have a very expensive memory foam mattress - but when my back is really bad I find the thing for me to sleep on is a couple of old sleeping bags on a hard floor...
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Doublethink.
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Maybe consider a laygel or latex firm topper ?
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Doublethink.
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Any shippies ever tried a round bed ? Are they worth it ?
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Any shippies ever tried a round bed ? Are they worth it ?
Yes, but not for sleeping in
It's good for frolicking about with several people as you can climb on or off from all sides, but in general I'd say not worth it.
Just get a super king if you're intending to have lots of orgies.
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it's a secret club for people with a knitting addiction, hiding under the cloak of BDSM - Catrine
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Doublethink.
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Orgies are not planned ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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ecumaniac
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
Orgies are not planned
In that case what's the point of a round bed!
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Ariel
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You'd have a terrible time trying to find sheets and a duvet for a round bed.
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Doublethink.
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# 1984
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It is without point, for it is round.
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Doublethink.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
You'd have a terrible time trying to find sheets and a duvet for a round bed.
I imagine mattresses maybe an issue too.
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