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My particular puzzle, though, concerns Morning and Evening Prayer: why do they provide a Concluding Prayer for 2 January in Christmastide when you should always use the Concluding Prayer from the Proper for St B and ST GN on that day (or else the Concluding Prayer from some other celebration, like a saint in a particular calendar or - on a Sunday - the Concluding Prayer from the Second Sunday after Christmas)?
This has me stumped.
Perhaps it allows for transferring the feast day to a Sunday for a patronal festival? Do patronal festivals get transferred in the Catholic Church?
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Originally posted by MSHB:
My particular puzzle, though, concerns Morning and Evening Prayer: why do they provide a Concluding Prayer for 2 January in Christmastide when you should always use the Concluding Prayer from the Proper for St B and ST GN on that day (or else the Concluding Prayer from some other celebration, like a saint in a particular calendar or - on a Sunday - the Concluding Prayer from the Second Sunday after Christmas)?
This has me stumped.
Perhaps it allows for transferring the feast day to a Sunday for a patronal festival? Do patronal festivals get transferred in the Catholic Church?
That's an interesting thought.
As far as I can see, being the "Titular of one's own church" (=patronal festival?) would plausibly elevate the saints' day to a solemnity, and that would take precedence over a Sunday in Christmastide.
I haven't found any indication that it could be transferred to another day, such that the ordinary 2 January would be celebrated instead, but Epiphany is often transferred to Sunday, so maybe it is customary for some other solemnities to be transferred in a similar fashion. This is not a subject I know much about. I only have the book with Morning and Evening Prayer and the rules provided in the introduction and calendar.
The possibility of the saints' day being celebrated on (transferred to) another date, such as you have suggested, is the only solution I can see at present.
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A quick question sparked off in my mind by Forthview's questions about Pope Francis.
Is it 'allowed' for a cantor to sing the Eucharistic preface if a priest can't sing?
I know in Cathedrals of the Church of England lay people sing the priest's part in Evensong if the priest can't. Does that happen at the Eucharist?
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Ceremoniar
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A quick question sparked off in my mind by Forthview's questions about Pope Francis.
Is it 'allowed' for a cantor to sing the Eucharistic preface if a priest can't sing?
I know in Cathedrals of the Church of England lay people sing the priest's part in Evensong if the priest can't. Does that happen at the Eucharist?
Nope. Certainly from a Catholic perspective, it cannot be done, as the preface is a priestly prayer. It is part of the action of the anaphora.
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No - the 'preface' may suggest that it comes BEFORE the Eucharistic Prayer but it is actually PART OF the Eucharistic prayer and is, therefore, reserved for the celebrant, who must be a priest.
(And I am not too keen on cathedrals giving the preces and versicles to a cantor for that matter, though that is a minor issue. If our director of music chooses some that are difficult to sing, i insist that he teaches me how to sing them)
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I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
Having said which I don't suppose the church would fall down if a cantor sang the bits the priest couldn't - the priest could mime them!
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I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
Having said which I don't suppose the church would fall down if a cantor sang the bits the priest couldn't - the priest could mime them!
BUT it was delegated to another priest who was concelebrating.
As for the other, the church might not fall down but the mass would be invalid.
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I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
When and where was this?
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
Having said which I don't suppose the church would fall down if a cantor sang the bits the priest couldn't - the priest could mime them!
BUT it was delegated to another priest who was concelebrating.
As for the other, the church might not fall down but the mass would be invalid.
Is a Mass conducted in sign language invalid? Does a deaf and mute priest who is principal celebrant need to have another concelebrating priest say the EP out loud while he signs in order for the Mass to be valid?
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Is a Mass conducted in sign language invalid? Does a deaf and mute priest who is principal celebrant need to have another concelebrating priest say the EP out loud while he signs in order for the Mass to be valid?
I can't imagine a mute man being accepted as a candidate for priesthood in the RCC, let alone being ordained. I'd guess that a priest who has lost the ability to speak might be able to say a valid Mass, since all that's really required is that the mouth form the words.
Tangent : many clergy don't realize that the canonical requirement to read the daily office is not fulfilled by merely scanning the book with the eyes. The mouth must move, even if no phonation is involved.
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Clotilde
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
Having said which I don't suppose the church would fall down if a cantor sang the bits the priest couldn't - the priest could mime them!
BUT it was delegated to another priest who was concelebrating.
As for the other, the church might not fall down but the mass would be invalid.
Invalid by some church's rules, I suppose.
Irregular by some other churches' rules.
And OK by some others - would be, I suggest, the situation.
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Originally posted by stonespring:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
Having said which I don't suppose the church would fall down if a cantor sang the bits the priest couldn't - the priest could mime them!
BUT it was delegated to another priest who was concelebrating.
As for the other, the church might not fall down but the mass would be invalid.
Is a Mass conducted in sign language invalid? Does a deaf and mute priest who is principal celebrant need to have another concelebrating priest say the EP out loud while he signs in order for the Mass to be valid?
No, not at all. The Chaplaincy to the hard of hearing regularly did a mass in my former church.
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
I see. Its interesting that Pope Francis has delegated part of the Eucharistic prayer to someone who is not the celebrant - at the beginning, so it can be sung.
Having said which I don't suppose the church would fall down if a cantor sang the bits the priest couldn't - the priest could mime them!
BUT it was delegated to another priest who was concelebrating.
As for the other, the church might not fall down but the mass would be invalid.
Invalid by some church's rules, I suppose.
Irregular by some other churches' rules.
And OK by some others - would be, I suggest, the situation.
Not mere 'rules' - it is about the theology of the Eucharist and RCs, Orthodoxen and Anglicans all insist that only an episcopally ordained priest may confect the eucharist.
Regarding saying versus singing - singing is an aesthetic matter and is not very important compared with the necessity of a priest.
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Tangent : many clergy don't realize that the canonical requirement to read the daily office is not fulfilled by merely scanning the book with the eyes. The mouth must move, even if no phonation is involved.
Do you have a source for that? I've seen at least one archbishop get part of his office in by reading it without any mouth motion.
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Priests, and deacons aspiring to the priesthood, are obliged to carry out the liturgy of the hours daily, in accordance with their own approved liturgical books
I don't see any reason why a requirement to "carry out" (persolvendi, "render") couldn't be met by silent reading.
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Originally posted by leo:
BUT it was delegated to another priest who was concelebrating.
As for the other, the church might not fall down but the mass would be invalid.
Invalid by some church's rules, I suppose. Irregular by some other churches' rules. And OK by some others - would be, I suggest, the situation.
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Not mere 'rules' - it is about the theology of the Eucharist and RCs, Orthodoxen and Anglicans all insist that only an episcopally ordained priest may confect the eucharist.
Regarding saying versus singing - singing is an aesthetic matter and is not very important compared with the necessity of a priest.
But in certain circumstances I am sure churches would kindly allow for flexibility, Leo.
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I don't see any reason why a requirement to "carry out" (persolvendi, "render") couldn't be met by silent reading.
Silent reading, yes, but silently gazing at the page without making any effort to comprehend, no.
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Regarding saying versus singing - singing is an aesthetic matter and is not very important compared with the necessity of a priest.
But in certain circumstances I am sure churches would kindly allow for flexibility, Leo.
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Not unless they wish to break canon law or if they have no theology of ordination.
The sort of churches that have singing as part of the liturgy are unlikely to be of this sort.
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I beg to differ, Leo. So many churches break Canon law you know. Lots of Anglo Catholic churches do, and evangelical ones too.
Maybe if the priest recited the Eucharist prayer preface very softly in a whisper (moving his or her lips, of course!) while a Cantor sung on top that would satisfy liturgical purists!
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I really don't know what to say. The priest's job is to say/sing the Eucharistic prayer, including the preface. By virtue of the priest's ordination, the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space. That is not a pedantic detail of Canon Law. It is universal catholic practice.
Maybe the priest isn't very good looking. Why not hire a model to go through the service while the plain, over weight priest stays in the vestry and murmurs her/his part simultaneously?
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By virtue of the priest's ordination, the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space.
It is by virtue of their baptism that "the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space." The eucharistic president does not make us Christians. Rather, we choose fellow-Christians for the eucharistic presidency.
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Originally posted by venbede:
By virtue of the priest's ordination, the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space.
It is by virtue of their baptism that "the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space." The eucharistic president does not make us Christians. Rather, we choose fellow-Christians for the eucharistic presidency.
But it is the Mass which makes us part of the Church, for it is the great Sacrament of com-union, and without the ordained priest, there is no Mass.
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I beg to differ, Leo. So many churches break Canon law you know. Lots of Anglo Catholic churches do, and evangelical ones too.
Maybe if the priest recited the Eucharist prayer preface very softly in a whisper (moving his or her lips, of course!) while a Cantor sung on top that would satisfy liturgical purists!
I give up on this one.
You seem to want liturgy that looks and sounds pretty rather than one which is valid.
The main difference seems to be protestantism with window dressing versus catholicism as praticed by the majority.
If i wanted be a rigid liturgical purist, i could point out objections to a lay cantor singing the priest's part at Choral Evensong, as is increasingly cathedral practice - 'The Lord be with you' isn't some sort of liturgy-speak for 'best wishes' but is a priestly blessing and should not/cannot be imparted by a layman/woman.
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I don't see any reason why a requirement to "carry out" (persolvendi, "render") couldn't be met by silent reading.
Ritual Notes states:
"it must also be pointed out that, in reading the Office," the words must actually be formed with the lips; if it is to be recited, even though soundlessly, and not read to oneself, as one would a book." (p. 233, 1964 ed.)
Naturally, this has its origins in RC liturgical law and practice.
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Originally posted by venbede:
By virtue of the priest's ordination, the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space.
It is by virtue of their baptism that "the congregation is part of the wider church throughout history and space." The eucharistic president does not make us Christians. Rather, we choose fellow-Christians for the eucharistic presidency.
O, I utterly agree that baptism makes us Christians and part of the High Priestly people of God. But in order for a congregation to be more than local, they need an ordained priest, representing the wider church. (Obviously lots of members here have a different theology of ministry.)
Leo won't like me saying this, but lay readers dressed up in a deacon's vestments when they are not in deacon's order, isn't much different from what is suggested, although comparatively harmless.
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Leo won't like me saying this, but lay readers dressed up in a deacon's vestments when they are not in deacon's order, isn't much different from what is suggested, although comparatively harmless.
I DO like what you're saying and used to object when asked to dress thus. I still grab a tunicle rather than a dalmatic because 'lay subdeacons' has some precedent.
Common Worship allows for readers to act as deacons and that muddies the waters a bit.
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Thank you, leo.
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I beg to differ, Leo. So many churches break Canon law you know. Lots of Anglo Catholic churches do, and evangelical ones too.
Maybe if the priest recited the Eucharist prayer preface very softly in a whisper (moving his or her lips, of course!) while a Cantor sung on top that would satisfy liturgical purists!
I give up on this one.
You seem to want liturgy that looks and sounds pretty rather than one which is valid.
The main difference seems to be protestantism with window dressing versus catholicism as praticed by the majority.
If i wanted be a rigid liturgical purist, i could point out objections to a lay cantor singing the priest's part at Choral Evensong, as is increasingly cathedral practice - 'The Lord be with you' isn't some sort of liturgy-speak for 'best wishes' but is a priestly blessing and should not/cannot be imparted by a layman/woman.
Wasn't it somewhat of a traditional Anglican thing at least at one time in some places to have the choir sing "The Lord be with you. / And with thy spirit." - by themselves while the congregation stays quiet? Didn't composers write music for choir for these and other verses that did not envision the congregation or the priest/minister taking part at all?
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When I was in an Anglican Evensong choir, our chaplain would always sing the versicles and the choir would sing the responses. The people were indeed left out, but not the chaplain. She would do this every week even when we had a guest preacher (which was most weeks).
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Presumably she knew the music and could sing and she didn't know a guest would. And even when there was a guest preacher, she was the priest of the congregation and so it would be symbolically more appropriate for her to sing irrespective of her musical talent.
Of course there are settings for choir of congregational parts of the mass. The choir is part of the congregation. Having singers sing a priest's part is quite different.
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And as an Anglican layman, I don't feel "left out" if a choir sings the congregational response. It's rather flattering to think I have these talented representatives working on my behalf.
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Are we getting a new miscellaneous thread for the new year? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Yes, I should have scare-quoted "left out." I didn't mean it in a pejorative sense.
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Wasn't it somewhat of a traditional Anglican thing at least at one time in some places to have the choir sing "The Lord be with you. / And with thy spirit." - by themselves while the congregation stays quiet? Didn't composers write music for choir for these and other verses that did not envision the congregation or the priest/minister taking part at all? [/QB]
Yes...Preces and Responses (or just referred to as Responses, such as "Responses: Smith of Durham."
Imagine singing a 1662 Evensong, presupposing the choir singing everything alone except a hymn, and having the congregation try to join in on everything. This happened when I sang in such an evensong at a diocesan convention. Would have helped if the person responsible for the service sheet had made that clearer and hadn't boldfaced the choir's responses. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) It was somewhat surreal.
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Clotilde:
I beg to differ, Leo. So many churches break Canon law you know. Lots of Anglo Catholic churches do, and evangelical ones too.
Maybe if the priest recited the Eucharist prayer preface very softly in a whisper (moving his or her lips, of course!) while a Cantor sung on top that would satisfy liturgical purists!
I give up on this one.
You seem to want liturgy that looks and sounds pretty rather than one which is valid.
The main difference seems to be protestantism with window dressing versus catholicism as praticed by the majority.
If i wanted be a rigid liturgical purist, i could point out objections to a lay cantor singing the priest's part at Choral Evensong, as is increasingly cathedral practice - 'The Lord be with you' isn't some sort of liturgy-speak for 'best wishes' but is a priestly blessing and should not/cannot be imparted by a layman/woman.
Wasn't it somewhat of a traditional Anglican thing at least at one time in some places to have the choir sing "The Lord be with you. / And with thy spirit." - by themselves while the congregation stays quiet? Didn't composers write music for choir for these and other verses that did not envision the congregation or the priest/minister taking part at all?
Yes and no! If you look at the score, it says 'priest' and 'Choir.
Not 'any old lay person.'
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On the other hand, until 1662 the entire Gloria Patri and "Praise ye the Lord" (without the response "The Lord's name be praised") was to be read by the Priest and the lesser Litany was to be read by the Minister (Priest before 1559) - many choral settings of Matins and Evensong from this period delegate all of this to the Choir.
I'm unaware of any examples like "The Lord be with you."
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If someone told you they'd be in contact 'in the New Year, when the Advent, Christmas & Epiphany seasons are over', when would you expect to hear from them?
Eccles seemed to be a place where people would have opinions on this!
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The New Year? Next Advent, surely?
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If someone told you they'd be in contact 'in the New Year, when the Advent, Christmas & Epiphany seasons are over', when would you expect to hear from them?
Eccles seemed to be a place where people would have opinions on this!
Carys
After the 25th of March, naturally.
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I would have thought you should expect a call on the 3rd of February.
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If they are RC, Ordinary Time starts the Monday after the Baptism of Christ, but as RCs don't use the term "Epiphany Season" (it's Christmas 2) your friend is likely to be C of E. Strictly speaking the C of E's new Epiphany season ends at the Presenation on 2 February which is a bit late into the secular year. It probably means after 6 January, but it is muddling secular and ecclesiastical usage.
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Originally posted by venbede:
If they are RC, Ordinary Time starts the Monday after the Baptism of Christ, but as RCs don't use the term "Epiphany Season" (it's Christmas 2) your friend is likely to be C of E. Strictly speaking the C of E's new Epiphany season ends at the Presenation on 2 February which is a bit late into the secular year. It probably means after 6 January, but it is muddling secular and ecclesiastical usage.
That more or less sums up my thoughts on the matter. Vademecum and Albertus made me laugh which was good. In fact the answer was half five today, well yesterday now, so I can stop wondering.
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In the 1979 TEC BCP in the calendar beginning around page 18 each day of each month has a letter by it. It seems to be a sequence starting with A going through g and then repeating. What are those letters for? Thanks.
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They help you identify Sundays. A given year might be an 'e' year, say, which would mean that all the days with a 'e' next to them would be Sundays. (A leap year has two letters, one for Jan/Feb and one for the rest of the year).
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Thanks, Hart; but may I ask what purpose does that serve? Are they in place of an Ordo?
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Someone who regularly uses Episcopalian books would have to comment on how regularly they get used nowadays, but yes they would allow you to easily construct your own ordo for a given day.
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Originally posted by Hart:
They help you identify Sundays. A given year might be an 'e' year, say, which would mean that all the days with a 'e' next to them would be Sundays. (A leap year has two letters, one for Jan/Feb and one for the rest of the year).
You know, the sad thing about my brain is that when I read a paragraph like that it comes out sounding like this. And that was a simple sentence. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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So I guess that we are NOT getting a new miscellaneous thread for the new year...We did last year.
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Don't say I never do anything for you. Thread closed.
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