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Carys
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*laughs* but there wasn't a pot plant in tonight's church
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You would have done if you'd been in Newport ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Thurible
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One church I was on placement at had one candle on the altar. "Father," I said to the SSC parish priest, "why do you only have one candle?"
"Yeah, I nearly went for three - but thought one looked smarter."
He's a wonderful man but, well, ...
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Olaf
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Originally posted by Thurible:
One church I was on placement at had one candle on the altar. "Father," I said to the SSC parish priest, "why do you only have one candle?"
"Yeah, I nearly went for three - but thought one looked smarter."
He's a wonderful man but, well, ...
Thurible
Certainly there must be some good joke for this:
"Yeah, that priest is a few candles short..."
Okay, maybe that's not it, but there has to be something.
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Basilica
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Originally posted by Olaf:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
One church I was on placement at had one candle on the altar. "Father," I said to the SSC parish priest, "why do you only have one candle?"
"Yeah, I nearly went for three - but thought one looked smarter."
He's a wonderful man but, well, ...
Thurible
Certainly there must be some good joke for this:
"Yeah, that priest is a few candles short..."
Okay, maybe that's not it, but there has to be something.
A friend of mine once used the phrase "a chasuble short of a vestry" to describe a particularly idiosyncratic sacristan.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Olaf:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
One church I was on placement at had one candle on the altar. "Father," I said to the SSC parish priest, "why do you only have one candle?"
"Yeah, I nearly went for three - but thought one looked smarter."
He's a wonderful man but, well, ...
Thurible
Certainly there must be some good joke for this:
"Yeah, that priest is a few candles short..."
Okay, maybe that's not it, but there has to be something.
The old line here is that someone is a few sandwiches short of a picnic if they have a few roos loose in the top paddock.
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Vade Mecum
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Originally posted by Olaf:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
One church I was on placement at had one candle on the altar. "Father," I said to the SSC parish priest, "why do you only have one candle?"
"Yeah, I nearly went for three - but thought one looked smarter."
He's a wonderful man but, well, ...
Thurible
Certainly there must be some good joke for this:
"Yeah, that priest is a few candles short..."
Okay, maybe that's not it, but there has to be something.
A maniple short of a Mass, surely?
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PD
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'A taco short of the combination plate' is a favourite around here, though there are some other colourful expressions used. Nothing quite on the level of 'a few roos loose in the top paddock' which I think is absolutely bloody marvellous!
My favourite for a priest who is not quite all there is 'he went to Wexford.' According to legend, this is a reference to a long closed RC seminary where less academically gifted candidates who could not get into Maynooth, etc., were trained for the missionary field. A lot of their grads ended up in the USA! I don't know where I got it from - probably one of the "penis converts" in my former diocese.
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John Holding
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Meanwhile, back to a discussion related to the board, not to t he Circus or Heaven...
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Mr. Rob
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Originally posted by Vade Mecum:
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Originally posted by Olaf:
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Originally posted by Thurible:
One church I was on placement at had one candle on the altar. "Father," I said to the SSC parish priest, "why do you only have one candle?"
"Yeah, I nearly went for three - but thought one looked smarter."
He's a wonderful man but, well, ...
Thurible
Certainly there must be some good joke for this:
"Yeah, that priest is a few candles short..."
Okay, maybe that's not it, but there has to be something.
A maniple short of a Mass, surely?
No, actually. One candle at Mass was often the the norm at many places throughout the Middle Ages, and even later. There are Trappist Cistercians who use one candle for what used to be called a Low Mass, now more a private one. I've seen the one candle, placed behind the book on the Gospel side in more than one Trappist monastery. They usually use a shortish, fat, stubby candle and low artificial lighting. It's quite beautiful to see Mass celebrated in that way.
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Carys
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Insufficient familiarity. I once heard the passage about the name change read with Abraham throughout. That was odd.
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Barefoot Friar
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I think I'm going to have to make all my lectors start practicing more. We were doing okay for a while, and then suddenly no one can pronounce anything.
And one dear lady pronounces the "t" in "epistle". I don't know how to tell her...
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Originally posted by leo:
Why do lectors misread names?
This morning, we had 'Abraham' when it should be 'Abram'. I think we had it 3 years ago too.
Names are significant, especially changes of name.
Hey, at least they weren't mispronouncing "gentiles". Yes, it's been done, no it wasn't the first syllable that they got wrong.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by leo:
Why do lectors misread names?
This morning, we had 'Abraham' when it should be 'Abram'. I think we had it 3 years ago too.
Names are significant, especially changes of name.
Lack of practice, lack of supporting resources to help. I'm afraid it is not limited to the laity alone.
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Barefoot Friar:
And one dear lady pronounces the "t" in "epistle". I don't know how to tell her...
In this day and age, why even say the word "epistle" at all? Modern language liturgical resources certainly avoid it.
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Well, our lector this morning did indeed mispronounce 'Abram' as 'Abraham' in the first reading. He then unexpectedly went on to improvise the singing of the psalm in a most accomplished manner, so his time in Purgatory has been suitably reduced......
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leo
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by leo:
Why do lectors misread names?
This morning, we had 'Abraham' when it should be 'Abram'. I think we had it 3 years ago too.
Names are significant, especially changes of name.
Hey, at least they weren't mispronouncing "gentiles". Yes, it's been done, no it wasn't the first syllable that they got wrong.
Guess it goes with 'the uncircumcised'.
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Stephen
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Originally posted by Carys:
Insufficient familiarity. I once heard the passage about the name change read with Abraham throughout. That was odd.
Carys
The reader in question might even have thought it was a misprint and decided to correct the original...... ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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I once heard a reader refer repeatedly to a figure pronounced 'Beezle-bub'!
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Leo - I got the impression you are on the staff at your church as a lay reader.
In which case you are corporately responsible for the readers in your church.
And it is silly of the reader to mispronounce the name, in which case the staff have the responsibility to ensure that someone gently and pastorally points this out to the reader in question.
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Vade Mecum
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We had a reading from the Epistle to the Philippines once... ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Garasu
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Feels good to feel superior, huh?
I got thrown by one of the psalms on one occasion: "Praise him with the [adjective] [noun]; [praise him with the [adjective] [noun]".
It was just a case of "They're not really expecting me to read this sort of drivel are they?"
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Barefoot Friar
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Originally posted by Olaf:
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Barefoot Friar:
And one dear lady pronounces the "t" in "epistle". I don't know how to tell her...
In this day and age, why even say the word "epistle" at all? Modern language liturgical resources certainly avoid it.
I've actually switched us away from "The reading from the Epistle is Romans..." to "A reading from St. Paul's letter to the Romans." But she didn't quite pick up on that this morning, so she pulled out her bulletin and looked to see what the reading was, then went ahead with the old way.
I think what makes this so hilarious is that they've never done this type of service, with more than one reader or lesson, before I came along -- it was a good Southern Baptist hymn sandwich. So I taught them this, and now "it's the way we've always done it."
I love 'em. They're good people. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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leo
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quote:
Originally posted by venbede:
Leo - I got the impression you are on the staff at your church as a lay reader.
In which case you are corporately responsible for the readers in your church.
And it is silly of the reader to mispronounce the name, in which case the staff have the responsibility to ensure that someone gently and pastorally points this out to the reader in question.
Thought that was the incumbent's job - but he likes to be nice to everyone.
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Actually I've just noticed something odd about the OT text. My NRSV bible at 15.5 says "he (ie God) brought him (ie Abram) outside.."
Now my copy of the Lectionary at that point says: "He brought Abraham outside". However it is only later in Genesis at 17.5 we have "your name shall be Abraham..."
So leo's reader seems to have made the same mistake as the C of E in publishing the Lectionary, and then made the uses of the name earlier in the passage consistent.
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Barefoot Friar
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I've been shopping around for a cincture band for my cassock. It appears that they're all pretty much made to size. However, I am in the process of losing weight, and thus my size is slowly shrinking. Given that I can't afford to buy a new one every month or two, what are my options?
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Originally posted by venbede:
Actually I've just noticed something odd about the OT text. My NRSV bible at 15.5 says "he (ie God) brought him (ie Abram) outside.."
Now my copy of the Lectionary at that point says: "He brought Abraham outside". However it is only later in Genesis at 17.5 we have "your name shall be Abraham..."
So leo's reader seems to have made the same mistake as the C of E in publishing the Lectionary, and then made the uses of the name earlier in the passage consistent.
Or they might even have read the passage as printed in the lectionary.
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@ Barefoot Friar
I have a similar problem, in that I expand and contract with the seasons. To clarify, I tend to eat more in the Winter months and my girth increases commensurately.
Watts & Co of Westminster very sensibly made for me a fine black fascia closed with Velcro, that great friend of the changeable dimensions! It works and cannot be seen from the outside. It is entirely secure and always fits snugly, no matter whether I am Lenten skinny (ish) or Christmas goose portly.
Problem solved!
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Barefoot Friar
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Now that is a nifty idea. Thanks!
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Originally posted by Arch Anglo Catholic:
@ Barefoot Friar
I have a similar problem, in that I expand and contract with the seasons. To clarify, I tend to eat more in the Winter months and my girth increases commensurately.
Watts & Co of Westminster very sensibly made for me a fine black fascia closed with Velcro, that great friend of the changeable dimensions! It works and cannot be seen from the outside. It is entirely secure and always fits snugly, no matter whether I am Lenten skinny (ish) or Christmas goose portly.
Problem solved!
I have a velcro fascia from Almy, which I have owned for about one year. I have had to replace the velcro once and will likely have to do it again before this year is over. I wear it on an almost daily basis, however, and I'm not sure Almy had that in mind when making it. Have you had any issues with needing to replace velcro?
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Barefoot Friar
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In my admittedly limited experience, Velcro™ brand fasteners work a lot better, and last a lot longer, than the off-brand hook-and-loop closures. They all give way eventually, though.
My big question is how were band cinctures closed before Velcro was invented? It's only been in production since the late 50s/early 60s. I'm guessing buttons?
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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
In my admittedly limited experience, Velcro™ brand fasteners work a lot better, and last a lot longer, than the off-brand hook-and-loop closures. They all give way eventually, though.
My big question is how were band cinctures closed before Velcro was invented? It's only been in production since the late 50s/early 60s. I'm guessing buttons?
I've seen both buttons, and hook & eye, in museums.
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21stcenturyAnglican
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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
In my admittedly limited experience, Velcro™ brand fasteners work a lot better, and last a lot longer, than the off-brand hook-and-loop closures. They all give way eventually, though.
My big question is how were band cinctures closed before Velcro was invented? It's only been in production since the late 50s/early 60s. I'm guessing buttons?
The Rector in my parish has snaps on his. Probably a variety of ways.
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Originally posted by 21stcenturyAnglican:
Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
My big question is how were band cinctures closed before Velcro was invented? It's only been in production since the late 50s/early 60s. I'm guessing buttons?
Yes, in pre-velcro days, snaps were most commonly used on the belly band and a hidden by the fall of the outer drop band. Sometimes, hooks & eyes were used for the purpose.. Normally, such cinctures were made with three or more rows of aligned snaps or hooks & eyes for variable girth adjustment.
Before the Machine Age and snaps or the hooks and eyes, three separate ribbon ties were sewn on the belly band and hidden under the outer cincture drop to serve the purpose and hold the thing together. Of course, all these methods of fastening had the built in advantage of girth flexibility.
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I picked up Behind Rite and Ceremony by ECR Lamburn. I'm rather familiar with Ritual Notes but have never encountered this one before!! Have I found a rare gem?
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Originally posted by Mr. Rob:
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Originally posted by 21stcenturyAnglican:
Yes, in pre-velcro days, snaps were most commonly used on the belly band and a hidden by the fall of the outer drop band. Sometimes, hooks & eyes were used for the purpose.. Normally, such cinctures were made with three or more rows of aligned snaps or hooks & eyes for variable girth adjustment.
Before the Machine Age and snaps or the hooks and eyes, three separate ribbon ties were sewn on the belly band and hidden under the outer cincture drop to serve the purpose and hold the thing together. Of course, all these methods of fastening had the built in advantage of girth flexibility.
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Barefoot Friar
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Whole wheat hosts: An abomination or the preferred item? I've only ever seen white hosts at the TEC places I've visited, but I see that all the big suppliers are offering whole wheat now.
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Going back a few posts.......string, rather than Velcro. I've always considered Velcro to be a bit of a rip-off.....
....I'll get me coat.
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Just snapped up the copy of Lamburn's Behind Rite and Ceremony which was on eBay. I'd never heard of this title before. I already have the 1946 and 1964 editions of Ritual Notes and the second edition of Anglican Services.
I think Lamburn also contributed to GAC Whatton's Priest's Companion, of which I have two copies of the final edition.
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Antiphon
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PS I think the picture on the cover of Behind Rite and Ceremony is of a mass at the high altar of St Alban, Holborn, the interior of which is also pictured in the 1964 edition of Ritual Notes.
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Originally posted by Antiphon:
PS I think the picture on the cover of Behind Rite and Ceremony is of a mass at the high altar of St Alban, Holborn, the interior of which is also pictured in the 1964 edition of Ritual Notes.
Correct - before they got the wall painting above the high altar.
Most of the inside photos come from there too, including a whole set from the Easter Vigil.
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Antiphon
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I'd value the opinion of other contributors on this issue.
At my local RC parish church of which I am a member the parish priest has for some time been making certain innovations to the liturgy on an ad hoc basis. Here are some of them:-
1) He alters the texts of the eucharistic prayers and the collects to make them sound more politically collect, for example by substituting "and all who serve your people" for "and all the clergy" in EP2.
2) He interpolates lists of people for whom he wishes to pray within
the text of the EP.
3) He often invites the entire congregation to recite the prayer for peace with him, beginning "Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles..."
4) When giving the absolution he often says something like "May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring each one of us gathered here to evelasting life."
I accept that these variations are perhaps not of substantial importance in themselves and do not affect the validity of the mass, but I personally find them rather distracting, although they do not seem to bother other people.
I have not raised this issue with the priest as I would not want to seem uncharitable and cause him extra trouble as he already has a very heavy workload in the parish, but I can't pretend I am comfortable with these interpolations. At the same time, I suspect that this kind of thing is actually practiced pretty widely as I have heard other priests make similar variations.
What do others think?
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I think courtesy would demand that you confront him in some way--perhaps just by asking why he is making these changes, and by what authority. You need to communicate to him that you would prefer he stick to the texts of the Mass. If he persists, you can then contact the bishop (which may or may not do any good). But don't just go over his head as the first resort; it weakens your position.
(This kind of ad-libbing drives me nuts as well, btw. When I was younger we had a parish priest who would give blessing as "And may Almighty God bless ALL OF US..."--hey buddy, YOU'RE the priest, man up and give the blessing or take the damn collar off!)
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That sort of minor variation is par for the course in the CofE, though many would be reluctant to change the words of the Eucharistic Prayers - not that it matters much as we seem to have a limitless supply of authorised versions anyway.
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Whole wheat hosts: An abomination or the preferred item? I've only ever seen white hosts at the TEC places I've visited, but I see that all the big suppliers are offering whole wheat now.
I prefer them. A good compromise, IMHO, between convenience and symbolism (they look and taste more like bread but shed fewer crumbs and can be reserved).
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Originally posted by Antiphon:
PS I think the picture on the cover of Behind Rite and Ceremony is of a mass at the high altar of St Alban, Holborn, the interior of which is also pictured in the 1964 edition of Ritual Notes.
Ah - I did wonder. Nice combination of gothic chazzie and 'big six'.
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(This kind of ad-libbing drives me nuts as well, btw. When I was younger we had a parish priest who would give blessing as "And may Almighty God bless ALL OF US..."--hey buddy, YOU'RE the priest, man up and give the blessing or take the damn collar off!)
I agree. My pet peeve is "Happy are we who are called to his supper." "We" rather than "they," even though the book says "they" and means "all those who are called to his supper," a much more inclusive group than "we," which I'm sure most attendees hear as "we who are here in this local church right now."
Most liturgical ad-libbing ends up just wordy and redundant.
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Another one of my pet hates is of CDs of modern religious music being played during communion at Mass, which also happens at my RC parish. Once again, this doesn't invalidate the Mass and I'm sure some people like, but I'm not sure if the GIRM endorses this...I suspect not!!!!!
I've never seen or heard of this being done in an Anglican church of any degree of churchmanship, or in a reformed church such as a Presbyterian or Methodist church. However, perhaps others know differently!!!!!
I do remember reading in the book about Canon Brian Brindley, formerly of Holy Trinity, Reading, entitled "Loose Canon" that after his reception into the RC church he had come across this practice in RC churches either Spain or Portugal, I forget which.
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We play recorded music during Communion - mind you, it is not modern religious music but rather Palestrina, Byrd or Tallis or the like.
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