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Bene Gesserit
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Some friends of mine are looking to go to our local cathedral to sing carols on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. If they go for the Service of Readings and Carols, are they likely just to hear wonderful carols from the choir, or do the whole congo usually get to join in?
Either way, I might well go along myself if public transport is still running locally when it's due to finish...
Thanks for any advice!
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Almost certainly both. There are usually three or four congregational carols at least, with the rest being sung by the choir.
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Many services of readings and carols seek to mirror the Kings College Nine Lessons and Carols format. The Kings service almost always starts with Once in Royal David's City, and ends with O Come All Ye Faithful, the blessing, then Hark the Herald Angels Sing. All these are sung by the whole congregation (although the first two verses of Once in Royal are solo and choir).
Between that, and surrounding the lessons, is a veritable feast of choir-sung carols, with a couple of items sung by the whole congregation. That, I think, is probably an extreme. The last service I put together on that pattern had three 'music group' items and six further congregational carols.
With a cathedral, or other professional/quality choir, you should expect a good number of pieces by the choir, but also recognition that people attend carol services in order to be able to sing the old favourites.
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Originally posted by Vulpior:
Many services of readings and carols seek to mirror the Kings College Nine Lessons and Carols format...
Even here in the hinterlands of Arizona, our Cathedral bases its Lessons and Carols on the one at Kings College (which is broadcast by our local classical station live). But our Cathedral will have it on the Sunday before Christmas. I've gone the past several years and am looking forward to it again this year. It's wonderful
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As an Anglo-Catholic I'm always rather agin him because of the ritualism trials, but I suppose it's time for the annual pointing out that while King's is the best known, they didn't actually invent nine lessons and carols. That was Benson, at Truro, some thirty or forty years before King's got anywhere near it (and, at the time, they were quite open about their source).
Anyway, back on topic, it depends entirely on where you go. At Christ Church the other year, I think from memory we sang about twice in the evening, with the choir handling pretty much everything.
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Ours is based on King's as well (although being very traditional, it's not until the Sunday after Christmas). The congo will get to sing all but vv. 1 and 2 of Once in royal, O little town*, O come, all ye faithful, Unto us is born a son and Hark the herald angels sing, plus at least one other, and there'll be a fair number of choir carols too.
* to the tune Forest Green, no American nonsense here! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
PS BG, if you're in the flatlands of the East that I'm thinking of, you'll be spoilt for choice for places to go. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Bene Gesserit
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Originally posted by piglet:
PS BG, if you're in the flatlands of the East that I'm thinking of, you'll be spoilt for choice for places to go.
We're in East Anglia, and yes, we do have some lovely cathedrals including one recently-completed one - and of course we have King's - in the region.
At our local one, there's a carol session accompanied by the Sally Ann mid-evening, and my friends are planning to go to that on the grounds that with the Sally Ann you'll always get a good rousing sing-song. I think they're right.
If I can, though, I may go to the Readings and Carols - it will be absolutely wonderful and there is at least public transport still running when it finishes!
Many thanks, everyone, for your replies so far!
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Originally posted by piglet:
* to the tune Forest Green, no American nonsense here!
But the words are American. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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That's still no excuse to sing that awful dirge.
I can't help it - I'll probably live the rest of my days on the left side of the Pond, but if I never hear St. Louis again, it'll be far too soon.
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After some discussion in the Hosts' Lounge, it's been decided that this thread would flourish better in Eccles.
Hang on to your surplices ...
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For quite a number of years, we went to Lessons and Carols at School, home for a glass of muscat and some Christmas cake, then off to church for Midnight Mass. Alas, the current regime at School has chosen to have that service on Sunday evening and hour little private tradition has come to an end. The School service follows the Kings College tradition with some purely choral singing, and others for all; the finish is the Hallelujah Chorus with organ ( a good Sharp) and added trumpet.
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Sunday night 22nd here -- all carols sung by the congregation except one piece by a soloist and one by a group formed for the night.
People come to take part and taking part for them is singing the old favourites. I just wish we could hack out that awful "Once in ..... "
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Originally posted by Vulpior:
With a cathedral, or other professional/quality choir, you should expect a good number of pieces by the choir, but also recognition that people attend carol services in order to be able to sing the old favourites.
Which has been real bone of contention in one place I know, together with the formal/informal debate.
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Yes, Truro was the origin of the Nine Lessons and Carols format. They are doing a reconstruction of the first Bishop Benson service next week. I don't know if they are starting with the solo first verse of OiRDC but I sincerely hope not because that has just about as much relevance to worship as Christmas pudding does - pure dressage/kitch.
I much prefer O little town... to Walford Davies's setting (OK, that starts with a solo too, but accompanied, so less angst.)
rant on/ The Sunday after Christmas Day Is, of course, in the Christmas season, not after Christmas. But I learnt the hard way many years ago (cong of 10, I think, excluding choir) that few people want Christmas music, to hear or sing, in Christmas. And I blame King's (and the BBC) for that, as well as for OiRDC. Grr. /rant off
Good luck to those 'doing' carol services in the next couple of weeks. Just don't expect to see me there. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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If a carol service is much before Christmas (I'd say on the 21st or earlier) then start with either O Come Emmanuel or similar.
If 22nd on then start with Of the Father's heart begotten.
The congregation should get to join in at least 6 hymns or carols.
Yes, for preference I'd prefer carol services after Christmas but the real possibility of that happening vanished around 1980 IME - I blame TV.
As for OiRDC - OK but not brilliant.
And if you want slush with musical pedigree then It came upon the midnight clear to the Sullivan tune is hard to beat.
The year, bearing in mind Syria and other horrors, we shall again be singing Malcolm Williamson's Christmas Night...
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Our Carol Service on Sunday 22nd has 8 congregational carols (well, one of them is an Advent hymn - Come, thou long-expected Jesus) and there are 2 songs for what will probably be a scratch choir.
OiRDC is the Introit Hymn at Midnight Mass, but probably without any solos........
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I would glady attend any carol service where they promised not to sing "While shepherds watched" to Winchester Old - the most depressing tune of Christmas.
Moving on from the singing to the reading (or listening) why do so few of our parish churches use the King James Bible for carol services? At least King's College still do. Most of the modern translations (even NIV) sound leaden and pedestrian in comparison to rhythm of the language in KJV. And for those who think modern congregations won't understand 17th century English, take note that there are no "difficult" words in the Christmas readings. In any case most people are familiar with the traditional version. I prefer my shepherds to be "sore afraid" rather than "terrified" (even though they probably were terrified!).
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We've gone for a typically Anglican compromise!
Most readings at our Carol Service are from the NRSV, but the Gospel - which is read 'liturgically' i.e. with Alleluias, acclamation, and incense - is the Johannine Prologue, Authorised (King James) Version......
......we are having a joint service with the local Baptist congregation this year........ ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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I would glady attend any carol service where they promised not to sing "While shepherds watched" to Winchester Old - the most depressing tune of Christmas. ...
I agree and can't understand why this has persisted when there are so many much better tunes to sing it to.
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I wanted to do ours on Christmas Eve, but there won't be enough people around to make it happen. If we do it, I want to do it well. So we're having it on the first Sunday during Christmas, as a joint service between my two parishes. Once in Royal will be the processional because, gosh darnit, I like that song. No solo, though.
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
Most readings at our Carol Service are from the NRSV, but the Gospel - which is read 'liturgically' i.e. with Alleluias, acclamation, and incense - is the Johannine Prologue, Authorised (King James) Version......
And a communal drop to the floor at "And the Word was made flesh..."? Now that's liturgical! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Once in Royal will be the processional because, gosh darnit, I like that song. No solo, though.
What the "Christian children all must be, mild obedient, good as He?" bit too?
It's utter tripe and presumption. What about the "disobedient" Jesus who is found in the temple instead of being with his parents?
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Originally posted by L'organist:
...And if you want slush with musical pedigree then It came upon the midnight clear to the Sullivan tune is hard to beat.
The year, bearing in mind Syria and other horrors, we shall again be singing Malcolm Williamson's Christmas Night...
Yes, 'slush with musical pedigree' is right for the Sullivan tune: wonderful. But the words are very much not slush- '...beneath the angel strain have rolled two thousand years of wrong/ And man, at war with man, hears not the love-song which they bring/ O hush the noise, ye men of strife, and hear the angels sing!'
I should think they could do with a bit of that in Syria and all too many other places.
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Community / Village carols : readings from scripture are from NEB (I think); there are non-scriptural readings.
Its not a choir thing so its congregational all the way - featuring my own most hated carol Silen Night ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) plus Good King Wenceslas, etc (I know, I know, too early, secular - but sometimes you have to give people the crap they crave).
Nine Lessons will be King James all the way with Hymns and congregational carols, plus the choir singing 8 (or so) items on their own.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
No Rutter.
Words I love to hear
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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Once in Royal will be the processional because, gosh darnit, I like that song. No solo, though.
What the "Christian children all must be, mild obedient, good as He?" bit too?
It's utter tripe and presumption. What about the "disobedient" Jesus who is found in the temple instead of being with his parents?
I completely agree, I dislike the carol from start to finish, and those lines are the low-point. One of those times when the vomiting smiley is really needed!
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... Most of the modern translations (even NIV) sound leaden and pedestrian in comparison to rhythm of the language in KJV ...
Yea and amen! For our Nine Lessons & Carols the lessons (in the KJV) are typed out and put in a binder on the lectern, so there's no chance of anyone messing them about.
A well-meaning but ill-advised idiot donated a huge, very expensive Gospel book in an Inferior Version™ to the Cathedral a few years ago and when the Christmas Gospel at Midnight Mass didn't have the words "comprehendeth it not" it almost ruined my entire Christmas.
Fortunately, the Cathedral's Liturgical Good Taste Committee* has Taken Steps and it doesn't happen any more.
* i.e. the Organist, but with the full support of the Dean.
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At a previous church we had a spate of thefts - mainly small items, but we were all shocked to discover the lectern Bible had been taken which, sadly, meant the KJB had to be put back.
Shame
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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Once in Royal will be the processional because, gosh darnit, I like that song. No solo, though.
What the "Christian children all must be, mild obedient, good as He?" bit too?
It's utter tripe and presumption. What about the "disobedient" Jesus who is found in the temple instead of being with his parents?
I'm looking at the version in the 1989 United Methodist Hymnal, and that line isn't there. I'm not sure if this version is copyrighted, so I won't post it here, but the bit you quoted isn't part of it.
ETA: Here's a link.
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What about the "disobedient" Jesus who is found in the temple instead of being with his parents? [/QB]
I always thought the point was that he *was* obedient to his true Father.
(It doesn't reconcile me to that verse though! Nor to parenting which consists in extracting "obedience". Sorry. Just read a sick-making article about something called the Xmas Elf.)
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At a previous church we had a spate of thefts - mainly small items, but we were all shocked to discover the lectern Bible had been taken which, sadly, meant the KJB had to be put back.
Shame
Don't suppose there's any chance of anyone stealing our copies of H*mns *ld & N*w, is there?
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No Rutter.
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I like Rutter's version of All Things Bright and Bootiful.
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Wait, are people saying that they actually have Christmas Lesson and Carol services before Christmas? I thought that was an exclusively Methodist/Baptist/Presbyterian type of thing? I've honestly NEVER heard of an Episcopal/Anglican or Roman Catholic church doing this, ever.
Our parish does Advent Lessons and Carols on Advent Sunday then Christmas Lessons and Carols on New Year's Eve and both are very well attended. I do have to say, however, that New Year's Eve is probably the only time a Christmas Lessons and Carols service really works, outside of Christmas itself.
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My own parish did Advent Lessons & Carols on Advent Sunday. Another parish in the diocese with a major music ministry is having Nine Lessons and Carols "to honour the Christ Child" this Sunday evening, and I have to admit a glance at the leaflet does seem to suggest a somewhat more Christmassy flavour than I would have aimed for.
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The virtue of obedience (which St Benedict thought was central) seriously needs to be re-thought. The Latin word is related to "audire" to hear. It means listening to other people and acting accordingly. It doesn't mean being a doormat and a creep. And people don't listen to each other, as message boards make clear.
That verse in Once in Royal David's City does make the Second Person of the Trinity sound like Little Lord Faunteleroy, but what's the alternative to "meek, obedient, good"?
"Arrogant, stroppy, malicious"?
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Originally posted by BulldogSacristan:
Wait, are people saying that they actually have Christmas Lesson and Carol services before Christmas? I thought that was an exclusively Methodist/Baptist/Presbyterian type of thing? I've honestly NEVER heard of an Episcopal/Anglican or Roman Catholic church doing this, ever.
The Episcopal Cathedral Church of the Advent in Birmingham, AL is having theirs this weekend. I would love to go, but our church is having something that night and I must be there.
Also, the chapel at the University of the South in Sewanee, TN (also Episcopal) has theirs the first weekend in December. But I assume that's because it's a college and the students won't be around during Christmas.
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Originally posted by BulldogSacristan:
Wait, are people saying that they actually have Christmas Lesson and Carol services before Christmas? I thought that was an exclusively Methodist/Baptist/Presbyterian type of thing? I've honestly NEVER heard of an Episcopal/Anglican or Roman Catholic church doing this, ever.
Our parish does Advent Lessons and Carols on Advent Sunday then Christmas Lessons and Carols on New Year's Eve and both are very well attended. I do have to say, however, that New Year's Eve is probably the only time a Christmas Lessons and Carols service really works, outside of Christmas itself.
There are several notices in this week's Church Times from Anglican parishes with Carol Services on Sunday 15th December and Nativity Plays at Mass on that day to boot.
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Gosh, I'm glad to hear American RCs and Episcopalians are so liturgically pedantic as to have their carol services after 25 December.
That is very rare in England. I can certainly remember my school carol service in the C of E parish church over fifty years' ago in December. I've been to Epiphany Carol Services, but they are rare.
It's partly to do with schools: they have the Nativity Play and Carol Service in the term before Christmas.
In the UK, Christmas ends on 25 December. From 26 December onwards we have Sales.
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Originally posted by BulldogSacristan:
Wait, are people saying that they actually have Christmas Lesson and Carol services before Christmas? I thought that was an exclusively Methodist/Baptist/Presbyterian type of thing? I've honestly NEVER heard of an Episcopal/Anglican or Roman Catholic church doing this, ever.
Our parish does Advent Lessons and Carols on Advent Sunday then Christmas Lessons and Carols on New Year's Eve and both are very well attended. I do have to say, however, that New Year's Eve is probably the only time a Christmas Lessons and Carols service really works, outside of Christmas itself.
Well, I looked up 10 TEC churches that happen to be on "favourites", 6 of them are having their lessons and carols services this Sunday or in the coming week, 3 next Sunday the 22nd and only one on Christmas Eve. The US Catholic parishes didn't even mention carol services. Perhaps they follow the UK example of carols preceeding Midnight mass.
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Gosh, I'm glad to hear American RCs and Episcopalians are so liturgically pedantic as to have their carol services after 25 December.
We had our carol service last week, but sang Advent carols. We will sing Christmas carols in a couple of weeks, but don't have another "carol service" - just the normal set of Christmas and Sunday services.
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The US Catholic parishes didn't even mention carol services. Perhaps they follow the UK example of carols preceeding Midnight mass.
This is common in episcopal churches here too. In fact, the half hour preceding Midnight Mass is the only portion of the evening's proceedings I can drag the unchurched half of my family out to.
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Seven lessons for us - we omit the promise to Abraham and Isaiah 11. I had O come O come Emmanuel in, but it isn't on the congregational carol sheets, and to my utter shock the choir didn't remember Of the Father's love/heart begotten from 2001. That will be fixed for next year.
Rest of the congregational items are OiRDC (don't judge me - no solo, as the soloist left before I arrived), It came upon the midnight clear (don't judge me), O little town (don't... you get the idea), While shepherds washed, As with gladness, O come all ye faithful (with the non-Christmas Day last verse) and Hark the Herald. Two choir items (no Rutter in sight), and I've got a wee piece for the Offering.
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georgiaboy
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Originally posted by AndyB:
… O come all ye faithful (with the non-Christmas Day last verse)
And just what is the 'non-Christmas Day last verse'?
It's an item I've not encountered.
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I've just remembered from a comment on the Advent thread that the O Antiphons are sung as part of the service here - one at a time through the service; they work well with the readings.
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
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Originally posted by AndyB:
… O come all ye faithful (with the non-Christmas Day last verse)
And just what is the 'non-Christmas Day last verse'?
It's an item I've not encountered.
I think s/he means without the last verse specific to Christmas Day (Yea, Lord, we greet thee/ Born this happy morning)
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
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Originally posted by AndyB:
… O come all ye faithful (with the non-Christmas Day last verse)
And just what is the 'non-Christmas Day last verse'?
It's an item I've not encountered.
I suspect AndyB just means the usual penultimate verse. The final verse (Yea, Lord we greet thee) is usually only sung on Christmas day.
(x-posted with venbede)
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Originally posted by Albertus:
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Originally posted by L'organist:
No Rutter.
Words I love to hear
I like Rutter's version of All Things Bright and Bootiful.
I suppose it might work, on the principle that a negative times a negative is a positive.
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Originally posted by Honest Ron Bacardi:
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Originally posted by georgiaboy:
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Originally posted by AndyB:
… O come all ye faithful (with the non-Christmas Day last verse)
And just what is the 'non-Christmas Day last verse'?
It's an item I've not encountered.
I suspect AndyB just means the usual penultimate verse. The final verse (Yea, Lord we greet thee) is usually only sung on Christmas day.
(x-posted with venbede)
I have encountered a version of the last verse amended to "Yea, Lord, we greet thee/Born on Christmas morning" to allow it to be sung at the other times. I can't say I'm a fan...
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Originally posted by seasick:
I have encountered a version of the last verse amended to "Yea, Lord, we greet thee/Born on Christmas morning" to allow it to be sung at the other times. I can't say I'm a fan...
This is what I have most commonly encountered before the 25th.
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