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Albertus
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Are you sure about that? I'm sure that e.g. the Blessed Percy speaks of non-graduates wearing the tippet, albeit of stuff rather than of silk.
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venbede
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I regret that I heard a vicar describing his or her deacon's priesting and saying that the stole was adjusted to the new position because "a deacon is only half a priest".
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L'organist
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But what signal is given by a motley collection of new deacons or priests each arrayed in the vesture he/she thinks most appropriate? That they have not been ordained to the same order in the universal church, but given a personal mandate?
Two messages:
(1) That the theological colleges have amongst their staff people who are liturgically (at the very least) illiterate, which is worrying.
(2) The the DDO / Bishop's Chaplain (or whoever is responsible for organising the Ordination) hasn't got a grip and needs to lay down the law about vesture before the next occasion.
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Originally posted by venbede:
I regret that I heard a vicar describing his or her deacon's priesting and saying that the stole was adjusted to the new position because "a deacon is only half a priest".
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) Words fail me. Thank God (and I mean that literally) that my training incumbent had a far better understanding of what ordination to both the diaconate and the priesthood means.
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venbede
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What angloid describes (decorated scarfs) are naff, silly and unnecessary.
However, in 1800 no doubt all ordination candidates wore scarfs and certainly no stoles. At some point before angloid's ordination the dress changed (for the better) but someone had to innovate. It may have been by bishop's decree or it might have been individual candidates.
I'm highly critical of a clericalist view of the role of the clergy, but it is probably one that is worse among catholics rather than evangelcials with no dress sense.
And ordination is indeed a special day, not just for the candidates (although it is and is rightly celebrated) but for the whole church as her/its fullness is expressed in the whole ministry.
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Spike
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I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the awful day when the dreadful Cassock Alb becomes standard dress at ordinations.
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Pomona
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It may be my eyesight not picking out a white stole against a white surplice, but there were an awful lot of Oak Hill ordinands in just cassock and surplice with no stole or tippet....
Edited to add that I know that many will never robe for (likely monthly) Communion - choir dress is as far as they will go, and IME that is for 8am BCP services and never main services.
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venbede
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Originally posted by Spike:
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the awful day when the dreadful Cassock Alb becomes standard dress at ordinations.
It was stoles and surplices for the priestly ordination I attended recently with two evangelicals our of four.
I don't see what's so awful about the cassock alb. If all the candidates are wearing it, that's better than some in stoles and some in scarfs.
I can remember the late Graham Lennard ordaining in which (some of ) the deacons were vested in chasuble after the ordination (which they carried on entrance over their arms) and they were then presented with a chalice. One chalice for the lot which was brought round to them and then touched by them.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by venbede:
....I don't see what's so awful about the cassock alb...
Well, it's a sort of ecclesiastical onesie, isn't it?
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Enoch
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Originally posted by venbede:
... I don't see what's so awful about the cassock alb. ....
It gives the self appointed cognoscenti something to sneer at and feel superior about.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Zappa:
I like onsies (despite the caption)
What liturgical season is pink, or is that a peculiarly NZ tradition?
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Gee D
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More of a mauve pink than Zappa's choice, I'd say. There were several crèpe myrtles around her last year that had very suitable colours - but you'd be unlikely to see any of them on a fluffy bunny suit.
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Nick Tamen
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Originally posted by Gee D:
More of a mauve pink than Zappa's choice, I'd say.
I think properly speaking, the color for Gaudete and Laetere Sundays is rose, not pink.
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venbede
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Originally posted by Enoch:
quote:
Originally posted by venbede:
... I don't see what's so awful about the cassock alb. ....
It gives the self appointed cognoscenti something to sneer at and feel superior about.
All the attendant priests at the ordination I attended including the bishop's chaplain were in cassock alb and stole excepted for one in surplice and stole. If nearly everyone wears one, they can't be feeling very superior.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Given the proclivities of the NZ ecclesia I think you could just make it up as you go along
Given the proclivities of NZ, probably the dirty off-grey of unshorn sheep.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
Given the proclivities of the NZ ecclesia I think you could just make it up as you go along
Given the proclivities of NZ, probably the dirty off-grey of unshorn sheep.
What proclivities are you refering too, Gee D?
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Gee D
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Those which Zappa had in mind.
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Enoch
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quote:
Originally posted by venbede:
All the attendant priests at the ordination I attended including the bishop's chaplain were in cassock alb and stole excepted for one in surplice and stole. If nearly everyone wears one, they can't be feeling very superior.
It's not the wearing of them. It's the going on about other people for doing so.
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Episcoterian
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Well, I'll (hopefully) be ordained next year in Geneva gown, bands and red stole, and will be outdressing every single member of my Presbytery (which is still a strictly suit-and-necktie place). ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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