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Thread: Heart-sinking words
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Stercus Tauri
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Someone once scolded the word "utilize" out of me.
"Use." The word is "use."
I would have agreed until I was advised by a Scottish school teacher (from Paisley) that "utilize" is sometimes needed to avoid confusion with "youse".
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Enoch
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Look. 'Youse' isn't good grammar. Nor is y'all. We all know that. As far as I know, 'youse' is a scouse word, but it's probably found in other places as well.
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Firenze
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And anyway, the full form is youse'ns - as opposed to them'ns.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Look. 'Youse' isn't good grammar. Nor is y'all. We all know that. As far as I know, 'youse' is a scouse word, but it's probably found in other places as well.
They're perfectly good Grammar. They're not standard, but they're perfectly grammatical and there are rules observed by those who use them that govern their use. Not prescriptive rules written by a grammarian; real rules that can be discerned from the usage of the speech community in which they are found.
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quetzalcoatl
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Hear, hear.
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Mr Clingford
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I don't have a problem saying 'You all'. It works well in the absence of thou and you!
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L'organist
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When people say 'youse' I hear 'yews' - it can make life a tad confusing.
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Moo
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Originally posted by Mr Clingford:
I don't have a problem saying 'You all'. It works well in the absence of thou and you!
In Virginia we say you all rather than y'all. The only problem is in forming a possessive. In that situation, I tend to say "y'alls".
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Back to the OP "Team brief"; "Staff briefing".
Also, anyone telling you their job title ends with "agent" and doesn't start with "special" or "secret". It's often a sign that they're an arsehole.
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Leorning Cniht
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"We should form a task force."
Because more meetings will make things better...
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
"We should form a task force."
Because more meetings will make things better...
Better known to me as a "Task Farce", as my brother referred to them thus as far back as the nineteen-sixties.
If it doesn't include at least one aircraft carrier, it isn't a task force. A bit like workshops, which ought to include saws, screwdrivers, drills and hammers, not white boards and post-its.
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Anesti
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Originally posted by Evangeline:
I made no claim about logic.
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I never claimed that you made such a claim.
quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:it is at the least, unfortunate for an adult to misuse their native tongue in such a way and indicates a stalling of language development.
Using the word unfortunate as a euphamism is surely an ideal addition to this thread.
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YMMV and rest assured I will comprehend your meaning when you say "yous". [/QB]
You must have overlooked the part in my post where I had written "I don't use it,".
I will rest assured that you will comprehend my meaning later, perhaps.
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Pearl B4 Swine
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
"We should form a task force."
Because more meetings will make things better...
I just hope it's going to be a
Grass Roots task force.
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Pulsator Organorum Ineptus
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Originally posted by L'organist:
When people say 'youse' I hear 'yews' - it can make life a tad confusing.
I hear "ewes" which is probably even more so.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Thank you everyone for your input. Do we have buy-in on workshopping through role play and brainstorming in order to leverage our synergies in an outcome-orientated timeframe? Let's stick that to the wall for the moment and take five.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Thank you everyone for your input. Do we have buy-in on workshopping through role play and brainstorming in order to leverage our synergies in an outcome-orientated timeframe? Let's stick that to the wall for the moment and take five.
Oi! You! Firenze! No!
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Trudy Scrumptious
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To return briefly to the youse/y'all tangent, doesn't the fact that so many regional dialects of English have a plural "you" suggest that the language is crying out for our lost second-person-plural pronoun? Other languages have one; why did we give up ours? Here in Newfoundland may be one of the last places on earth where people say "ye" colloquially to indicate the second person plural, but there's clearly a need for it. Sometimes it's very important to distinguish whether one of you or the whole crowd of ye is being addressed.
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Mr Clingford
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We do have the Second Person Plural - it's the First Person Singular 'thou' that we lost.
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If only.
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la vie en rouge
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My subconscious has been repressing "360° feedback". Mostly because it’s a big fat lie. If it was really 360°, they would let me evaluate my manager. And there’s no chance of them letting me do that any time soon, is there?
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Anesti
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Originally posted by Mr Clingford:
We do have the Second Person Plural - it's the Second Person Singular 'thou' that we lost.
FTFY
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Mr Clingford
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Originally posted by Anesti:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Clingford:
We do have the Second Person Plural - it's the Second Person Singular 'thou' that we lost.
FTFY
! Whoops.
Lord I was blind...
Pride cometh...
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Evangeline
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My subconscious has been repressing "360° feedback". Mostly because it’s a big fat lie. If it was really 360°, they would let me evaluate my manager. And there’s no chance of them letting me do that any time soon, is there?
360 feedback is a load of crap and I'm pretty sure it was found to be ineffective BUT if it is truly 360 degree feedback then you should be allowed to review your mngr-or at least your manager should be reviewed by at least 1 person who reports to him/her/. I have reviewed bosses and ppl who reported 2 me reviewed me.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My subconscious has been repressing "360° feedback". Mostly because it’s a big fat lie. If it was really 360°, they would let me evaluate my manager.
Surely that'd be 180°?
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Evangeline
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Originally posted by Anesti:
quote:
Originally posted by Evangeline:
I made no claim about logic.
I never claimed that you made such a claim.
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Originally posted by Evangeline:it is at the least, unfortunate for an adult to misuse their native tongue in such a way and indicates a stalling of language development.
Using the word unfortunate as a euphamism is surely an ideal addition to this thread.
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YMMV and rest assured I will comprehend your meaning when you say "yous".
You must have overlooked the part in my post where I had written "I don't use it,".
I will rest assured that you will comprehend my meaning later, perhaps. [/QB]
Bit too keen to take the plural non-specific "you" as personally directed to your very own singular self there Anesti and you've got the cheek to have a go at my comprehension.
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jedijudy
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Igniting lightsaber
Anesti and Evangeline, knock off the personal attacks. Re-read the Ten Commandments, especially number four.
Remember, this is Heaven!
jedijudy
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QLib
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I've just seen this awesome video in which X did something not particularly interesting to Y - and Y's AMAZING reaction totally blew me away. I'd share it with you, but ....
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Ariel
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"Isn't it time to think about booking somewhere for the office Christmas lunch?"
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Pancho
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"Excuse me, can you help me? I'm parked in the 15 minute zone and I need....."
From years of working in retail. If he needed it in less than 15 minutes I knew there was a very good chance it would not take less than 15 minutes.
"Last call!"
At a bar, Saturday night.
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we wailed, and you did not mourn.’"
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Ariel:
"Isn't it time to think about booking somewhere for the office Christmas lunch?"
Now is the time to go vegan.
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Sir Kevin
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Look. 'Youse' isn't good grammar. Nor is y'all....
I say 'You lot' even when addressing my pupils. I am understood.
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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Writing is currently my hobby, not yet my profession.
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Mamacita
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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
Sometimes it's very important to distinguish whether one of you or the whole crowd of ye is being addressed.
Yes. A colleague from Mississippi once explained to me that, when addressing a group, one uses the plural form "all y'all."
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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'The grammar of colloquial speech' is beginning to depress my spirits a tad now.
Not quite the subject of the thread.
Firenze, HH
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Enoch
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Shouldn't 360° feedback be me looking in a mirror and saying 'what a fantastic chap you are'?
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Shouldn't 360° feedback be me looking in a mirror and saying 'what a fantastic chap you are'?
Indeed it should. I have bored and exasperated any number of managers and HR drones by describing it as 180° feedback.
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Baptist Trainfan
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That reminds me of people who say they will "give 110%" to a task.
Literally.
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
That reminds me of people who say they will "give 110%" to a task.
Literally.
That's like saying all schools/hospitals/etc must be better than average, or in the highest percentile (another horrible word by the way). It is particularly bad when this is demanded of organisations one of whose reasons for existence is to teach children basic maths.
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Pine Marten
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I heard someone on the news talk about 'the customer experience'. Bleurgh.
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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Originally posted by Enoch:
That's like saying all schools/hospitals/etc must be better than average...
Garrison Keiller (sp?) in his Prairie Home Companion talked about a place where all the children were above average.
Moo
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Lamb Chopped
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Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average.
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Ariel
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"[Train company] welcomes you aboard.."
Aaargh no, please don't welcome me aboard. Don't. Just don't. If you do, I know that not only will you also recite the long list of destinations between here and eternity, but you will inexorably continue with "in the interests of safety and security..." and tell me this train is fitted with CCTV, I must report any suspicious persons I become aware of, mustn't leave unaccompanied bags alone, must take a moment to read the important safety information in the vestibule - then you'll finally shut up - until the next station, when I'll be encouraged to mind the gap, make sure I have my ticket because there are barriers, step down carefully onto the platform and take all my belongings (which I haven't brought) with me.
It's not even my stop.
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LeRoc
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Ariel: "[Train company] welcomes you aboard.."
In Belgium they do this in four languages.
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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"Wow. Just wow."
In all honesty though, it doesn't make my heart sink, so much as it makes my hand want to slap.
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Dal Segno
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My subconscious has been repressing "360° feedback". Mostly because it’s a big fat lie. If it was really 360°, they would let me evaluate my manager. And there’s no chance of them letting me do that any time soon, is there?
We have 720° feedback. The faculty assess the students work. The students provide the faculty with feedback on their courses. The faculty tells the students what they have done to respond to the feedback. The student representatives comment on the faculty's response to the student feedback to the way the course was assessed.
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Originally posted by Dal Segno:
We have 720° feedback. The faculty assess the students work. The students provide the faculty with feedback on their courses. The faculty tells the students what they have done to respond to the feedback. The student representatives comment on the faculty's response to the student feedback to the way the course was assessed.
And in among all this assessing and responding, does anybody actually do any studying?
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Leorning Cniht
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Posted
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
"We should form a task force."
Because more meetings will make things better...
Oh, I really shouldn't have posted this. Guess who just found out he has to chair one of the bloody things...
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Dal Segno:
quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My subconscious has been repressing "360° feedback". Mostly because it’s a big fat lie. If it was really 360°, they would let me evaluate my manager. And there’s no chance of them letting me do that any time soon, is there?
We have 720° feedback. The faculty assess the students work. The students provide the faculty with feedback on their courses. The faculty tells the students what they have done to respond to the feedback. The student representatives comment on the faculty's response to the student feedback to the way the course was assessed.
Kill them. You know it's the only way. No jury in the land would convict.
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Sir Kevin
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CLASSROOM MANAGEMENT is a euphemism for coercing or gently persuading pupils to behave well and learn their lessons or punishing them if they don't. It is malarkey!
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If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Writing is currently my hobby, not yet my profession.
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Penny S
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And along with that, Challenging Behaviour.
I thought, at first, that that was when a child deliberately challenged the teacher, as in "You have got that wrong." But it turned out to be more general, as in behaviour which requires Classroom Management.
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