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Doublethink.
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I have tried cycling to work before - got high end folding bike and it almost killed me. Sold it on. Nowadays I am a commuter anyway so a ride to work is just not possible. But, I live in a very cycle friendly place, and I am thinking about a leisure cycle, it will never see mud - just roads and lanes.
I thought heaven might be a good place to discuss options. I don't have specific budget, I am more interested in the discussing the pros and cons of various choices. I am looking for comfort and easy maintenance, and possibly mildly good looks.
Current thoughts are about whether hub gears and hub brakes are worth having. (I am also unsure about whether hub brakes are the same as disc brakes.)
My other big concern is the saddle, because prior experience tells me that things calling themselves comfort saddles are a snare and a delusion. I have heard Brooks are good, but they look as if it would be like sitting on shaped wood.
(Some happy cyclist told me not to worry about saddle comfort as you just go numb - this strikes me as a ***bad*** solution.)
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So I have one of these:
http://m.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/fitness/expedition/expedition-sport-low-entry
I love it, the saddle is padded and wide (a must for the half of the species with birthing hips) and you sit upright so no strain on your lower back or arms.
Anywhoo sales pitch aside, my advice would be to buy decent quality from a decent shop I.e Evans or reputable specialist bike shop. Quality frames save on hassle. You would probably be better off with a hybrid bike if you're looking for comfort and commuting as road bikes arent easily suited to this.
As for hub gears, you will pay more for these, they are generally bomb proof although never ever jetwash them as it ruins them beyond repair. Their major drawback is lack of range in your gearing and difficulty of repair when they do go wrong. If you have anything more than very flat terrain go with a derailleur gear as you will regret it later if you don't.
I would also ensure you have mudguards front and rear as that will greatly restrict the trendy covered in grime look of both you and your bike.
Last but not least, as someone who has spent much money on lights I strongly advise forking out upfront for the USB rechargeable ones as they are both brighter and cheaper in the long run.
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Doublethink.
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That is very handsome, and I do definitely want that kind of low step-through.
I am in a flat area, really only a very occasional low hill. Fact is, if anything breaks, I will be getting someone else to fix it - unless it takes five minutes and is idiot proof. We have some good bike shops near me - but I was rather put off by crap customer service when I went exploring. I realise if I buy off the web I shall have to try to measure my inside leg, which will be an adventure in itself.
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As an almost daily cyclist, I would say do not be fooled into thinking that more gears are better. A few gears are a good idea, but you are in a flattish place. I am not and I find that 6 gears is ample and 6 means that there are fewer to go wrong ![[Smile]](smile.gif) . I agree that a slightly old fashioned upright frame is a great thing. Mine also has a wicker basket!
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As someone who bikes year round, I recommend for flat terrain commuting you won't use nearly all gears. If you plan to have one bike do it all then there are compromises. I have a 9 speed hybrid road bike. Plus 2 others for other conitions. It has disc brakes, but aren't needed in our usually dry summers. In wetter areas, where you expect rain, I would have them. Tire tread pattern makes a difference too. Saddle- a gel filled one and a gas seat post for absorbing road bounce is nice. The mountain bikes with springs and fatter tires will do it but you pay for weight and rolling resistance with effort and energy.
Fenders are a must, what you call mudguards. Handle bar designs your back can tolerate. I sit upright myself.
At least 2 bike locks or if available a bike locker. Carrying a collapsable with you is good. Paniers to carry things in. They have them for folding bikes too.
Light your self well. I use LEDs and have then on helmet and arms in some conditions. The USB ones are okay, but I get problems with rechargeables in cold weather.
Gloves and rain pants (trousers).
About buying. Consider used and do consider online. There is lots of cost variation. Also doing basic maintenance will save headache and money. Chain oiling. Flat tire changing. Squeak fixing. I carry basic tools. I am a member of 2 cycling advocacy groups. It is probably good to at least get emails from them. Finally, if it seems dangerous at some times, get off, walk the bike and act like a pedestrian until it is safe. Never trust drivers or pedestrians to make decisions about your safety.
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Brenda Clough
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Get yourself a good helmet and always wear it when you cycle. I flipped right over this winter on black ice, 180 degrees over like a pancake and down on my my head, and would surely not be here today if I had not been wearing a helmet.
I commute on a hybrid Trek, nothing fancy. It is about 14 miles round trip, and I do this about twice a week, carefully selecting the most clement of days on offer. In good years I can do this every week of the year, but this year was a hard winter, and I bailed out after the black ice incident until it warmed up some.
Do not be tempted into buying more equipment/gear/toys than you actually use. Add to your wardrobe or stash slowly, as you develop a need for stuff. Otherwise you can spend a LOT of money. I have a rear rack, to which I have used plastic zip ties to attach an ordinary wicker basket. This holds the occasional item of clothing, a folded newspaper, perhaps a sandwich or book.
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Doublethink.
Ship's Foolwise Unperson
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I am definitely not going to be commuting, just nipping into town really.
I know you can 5 hub gears, maybe eight.
I t will definitely be dealing with wet roads, this is England ! So keen to have good brakes
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Gareth
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A few areas have 'social enterprises' promoting cycling for people of all ages and abilities - our local one is brilliant. Being a social enterprise means that while they do make money from the sale, separating you from your cash isn't their main goal - they exist to get you cycling.
If you can find one, they will have a wider range of bikes for you to try.
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I ride my bike nearly everyday, but rarely for long journeys (usually 5 miles max).
One of my bikes (posh, famous brand folder) has a Brookes saddle and it is absolutely lovely. Yes it looks rigid and uncomfortable but in fact it just seems to mould itself around me. My other bike (ancient, steel hybrid) has the saddle that I rode round Europe on nearly thirty years ago and is held together with insulating tape. It is also really comfy.
The most important thing about saddles is to get the correct type for the gender of your pelvis. You shouldn't be getting a numb bum from general daily cycling.
I don't often wear a helmet when I'm cycling around where I live. But I do wear one if I take the bike to London.
Rain doesn't really bother me (good waterproof jacket and trousers very useful), neither does the dark or traffic, but I give up cycling when it gets icy.
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Doublethink.
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How long do you think it takes to break in a brooks ?
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Macrina
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Speaking of measuring inside legs, get your bike fitted to you. Most people cycle with their saddles way too low and all that will do is strain your knees and put you out of position to utilise your muscles effectively.
Your saddle should be level with your hips and you should be just short of fully extending your leg when you're on the downward stroke. For people new to cycling this can feel too high and scary but you soon adapt and it's really the best way to be as you're most able to move quickly and manipulate the bike if you're in the best position on it.
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Doublethink.
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Thanks I was never sure how to work it out.
Various sites have told me that at 5ft 4in (optomistic measurement) I thould be looking at a small frame - which I guess is the 17 in wheels thing.
I know I could ask a bike shop this, but I have previous traumatising experiences after taking halfords advice.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
How long do you think it takes to break in a brooks ?
Not that long—60 miles or so—after which it's like a broken-in pair of hiking boots. Now, I've heard that those first 60 miles are like the first 60 in leather boots (ow…), but after that, it's the most comfortable think you've ever put your kiester on. I have a vintage Avocet saddle (not quite the same thing, but not quite completely different) that had a similar break-in period for its rather stiff and unused leather cover.
Absolutely, by all means, go to the local bike shop. Any other options—No. Just No. A good LBS will not only check your size and fit, will not only spend considerable time tuning your bike before it goes on the floor, but may even pop it in a stationary trainer for a final fitting. Most shops offer at least some form of free maintenance, with some offering it for life. Many shops have shop rides on weekends or evenings, some do concerts or potlucks, and some are active in bike advocacy activities and teach classes on, say, commuting or maintenance; it's all these extra things that come with belonging to a shop that add up after a while. Online? If something's wrong with your bike, good luck. Big box store? When something's wrong with your bike, because they have such a high quota of setups to churn out (sometimes by minimally trained workers), also good luck.
Used? Let the buyer beware. Research EVERYTHING. You can find good deals on vintage bikes out there—I sure have!—but you can also find poorly maintained clunkers and, more to the point, bikes that belong to other people. As someone who almost bought a Bridgestone RB-2 (a really nice steel road/racing bike from the mid-90's) for an absurdly low price, I'm glad that the seller was suspiciously non-responsive and that I caught that some of the parts in the seller's picture of the bike (that he claimed when asked were "all original") didn't match up with the spec list from the Bridgestone catalog. ALWAYS do some sleuthing before buying something used. Ask what was replaced, find out as much about who owned the bike previously, figure out how the current owner came into possession of it, ask what's been replaced, and, if you can, find the catalog for that make, model, and year. Be especially suspicious if the components on the bike are of all different makes and models, and the bike wasn't made that way—some bikes, especially from the late 80's and before, would have parts from several different manufacturers, but, starting in the 90's, would use all one model from one manufacturer. Bike thieves tend to strip components off of bikes, then switch them around to make Frankenbikes, which is easy to spot if you know what to look for and have experience with old bikes, tricky to see if you don't. See if you can bring the bike by your LBS for a lookover before you buy it; they'll know at a glance what kinds of things should be on that bike and what indicates a chop shop job at a glance.
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Measuring legs. Easiest is to go to bike shops and try out frame sizes. Usually they will allow you to stand over top of bikes and some will have an adjustable frame thingy you sit on to size you up.
Helmets. Depends on many factors. Nonaggressive cyclists don't need. Aggressive riders for sure, ie darting in and out and racing about. I have seen the data, some of it seems counterintuitive, that helmets don't decrease overall injury severity. I have been hit twice by cars, once with helmet, once without. Neither time hit head, rather 2 vertebral fractures with one, and 3 ribs with other. Best is accident avoidance by taking necessary time and enjoying the ride, and planning a good route. I actually avoid bike lanes in some places in lieu of quiet streets and low traffic volumes.
A cycling jacket with 3 back pockets is nice for carrying things. I was given one for Xmas this year. Wallet, keys, phone, gloves.
Back to seats. Price and brandname do not predict comfort. You need to sit on them and be focussed on pressure. I do like gel seats.
There is a psychological benefit to regular riding. Some quiet, thoughtful time and mild to moderate physical exertion comforts me. As if the journey is inflated in importance, as well as destination.
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X post with Ariston. The stationary trainer is great for trying out bike configurations and sizes. Thats what I meant.
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I rented a bike once and after half an hour on it could hardly sit down for a week. I suppose you must get used to it but it certainly put me off.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
Helmets. Depends on many factors. Nonaggressive cyclists don't need.
No matter how non-aggressive you may be, you've only got to be unexpectedly whacked by a car door, tripped up by a small dog suddenly darting out, or caught unawares by a pothole or piece of rubbish on the road, to find a cycling helmet useful. Not having one is like saying if you're a careful driver you don't need a seatbelt.
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Doublethink.
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I have an LBS that looks quite good, but when I went in to talk about buying a bike, decided they were just too busy - even If i arranged to come back later that day at their convenience. (Suggested I email in for a workday appointment - which works so well as I have a job which interestingly occurs in working hours on work days.)
Couple of others have shut, we have a couple of dodgy second hand vendors, and a shop that sells giant brand and nothing else.
The one I brought my folder from a couple of years back, that did test rides etc, has closed I think.
I don't think I really want to give the too busy guys my business. I was considering buying one of their pashleys, if they could do a decent deal, but I'd rather buy elsewhere if I did go with one of those.
(My uncertainty with the pashley being just how much I might be paying for the name - even though the features look good and they are nice looking bikes.)
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Don't disregard the chain shops out of hand.
I've recently finished a stint of part time working in London and had need to use both Cycle Surgery and Evans a few times, both for buying stuff and urgent maintenance. I got great service from both, they had competent mechanics and the prices were not silly. And they let passers by use the shop pump. The guys at Evans, Fulham Broadway even let me fix my own flat tyre in the shop once, and gave me a hand.
But on the other hand the too-cool-for-school indie bike shop I called into one day was simply uninterested in helping me. He wouldn't even recommend another nearby shop.
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Gareth
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But on the other hand the too-cool-for-school indie bike shop I called into one day was simply uninterested in helping me. He wouldn't even recommend another nearby shop.
That's the bit that tells me I'm dealing with an arsehole.
I freely admit that parking a massive 4x4 on a hardcore cycle shop forecourt is provocative (but not half as much fun as arriving at the local Green Party meeting in it) but then refusing to engage with a customer just because he has a 4x4 is prejudicial. In a reasonable world, the transaction should then proceed on a functional level as an absolute minimum.
That sort of snobbery exists in all sorts of areas. I get the same reaction when I arrive on my Halford's own brand street racer, and when PC geeks see me using Apple products.
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Evans are good, if slightly expensive for routine maintenence, Halfords far less so I wouldn't buy from there. I kind of like the idea of getting my bike from people who ride and like bikes and that's not always a given at Halfords.
And I 100% agree with the advice to always wear a helmet especially in the UK. Until we have entirely separate cycleways and/or motorists as a whole learn that cyclists have a place on roads just like them then you will definitely need one.
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I have a fourteen gear hub on my bike which I love - but it's probably not a starter option because of the cost if nothing else. It gives a great range (I'm yet to meet a hill that I don't have a low enough gear for) and the ability to change gears while stationary is brilliant for the significant amount of city/trafficy riding I do in my day to day stuff.
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jedijudy
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This is a wonderful thread, full of advice that has me thinking about getting my old bike road worthy!
After some back-stage discussion, we think this will be even more helpful in All Saints.
So, make sure to follow the rules of the road as we take a quick ride to that Saintly place! Wheee!
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Doublethink.
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I have a fourteen gear hub on my bike which I love - but it's probably not a starter option because of the cost if nothing else. It gives a great range (I'm yet to meet a hill that I don't have a low enough gear for) and the ability to change gears while stationary is brilliant for the significant amount of city/trafficy riding I do in my day to day stuff.
I just googled that, I see what you mean about not a starter option !
Love the idea though.
(I fancied this helmet, but probably should get a bike first ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )
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Originally posted by Gareth:
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Originally posted by busyknitter:
But on the other hand the too-cool-for-school indie bike shop I called into one day was simply uninterested in helping me. He wouldn't even recommend another nearby shop.
That's the bit that tells me I'm dealing with an arsehole.
Dangit! My post got erased in the thread move!
There are a lot of "pro shops" out there looking for a certain type of customer—usually athletic, almost always male (the horror stories I've heard about bike shops from women…), often over 50, looks like he really thinks you can't find a good road bike for under $3,000 and wants a really good one, probably has friends who bike and therefore has Joneses to keep up with. Speaking as a possible future member of their target demographic, stay the @#$% away from these places, even if you are one of the few people they'll actually talk to.
If the place asks you to make an appointment, run. That's a serious WTF moment for me; I've walked into shops on a busy afternoon during a long weekend in the summer, obviously more interested in looking than buying, mentioned that I'm a regular at another shop that carried many of the same brands—and therefore likely to buy from them—and still had three people talk to me, let me test ride one of the bikes they'd stashed hanging up on the ceiling, introduced me to the owner, and otherwise made time for me despite having none themselves.
There's a reason why I refer customers to them. A good bike shop will always pay attention to you, even when the staff is running around like a bunch of headless chickens. If you find a good commuter shop, a friendly one that pays attention to you, go ahead and ask them if they know of any other good shops; they'll probably tell you.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
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Originally posted by seasick:
I have a fourteen gear hub on my bike which I love - but it's probably not a starter option because of the cost if nothing else. It gives a great range (I'm yet to meet a hill that I don't have a low enough gear for) and the ability to change gears while stationary is brilliant for the significant amount of city/trafficy riding I do in my day to day stuff.
I just googled that, I see what you mean about not a starter option !
Love the idea though.
(I fancied this helmet, but probably should get a bike first )
If you really want to have helmetlust, or are just feeling a bit twee(d), there's always Yakkay…
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Darllenwr
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I used a combination of bike and train to get to work (and back) for about 5 years. Actual distance on 2 wheels was limited (unless the trains were up the creek, in which case, rather more). The biggest lesson I learned was, unless you are going to ride off-road, fit the narrowest, highest-pressure tyres you can find for your machine. They will dramatically reduce the pedalling effort.
Also, fit puncture-resist tape. It isn't cheap (I recently bought a pack for a friend, two wheels, £20) but it saves you endless grief. I can assure you that finding a flat tyre when you have a five-mile push ahead of you is not funny. In the first few months, until I fitted the tape, I was having a puncture every fortnight. Afterwards, no punctures. Draw your own conclusions.
If you have the nerve (not for a complete beginner) fitting toe clips and straps to the pedals also reduces the effort needed, and doesn't mean having to wear special cycling shoes. May not be compatible if you have folding pedals.
And, yes, I was a thoroughly lazy cyclist. But one who did all my own repairs and maintenance, including replacing spokes and straightening wheels.
[As a footnote, in my university days, I used to build wheels from scratch.]
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It sounds like you have made a good start.
First, work out exactly what you want the bike for.
Second, Work out your budget.
Third, you will hurt when you first start out. It takes time to train muscles and your bum.
Fourth, be prepared for 'upgraditis'. It is easy to start making little improvements when you are enjoying yourself.
I currently have 5 bikes, 4 to ride and 1 for parts or to sell. They each have different purposes and weather conditions.
hill climbing long distance roadie- Climb over a km or travel over 100km.
standard roadie (cheaper insurance replacement)- for group rides or shorter distances.
triathlon bike- Cut out saddle and different posture
old too small triathlon bike (want to buy it?)
Hack around commuter.
I commute to work, irrespective of weather* which ranges from 70 to 250 km a week. And cycling is my main vice. (That I am prepared to reveal online).
And the best advice is try before you buy. A good bike shop will allow you to test ride. But key is working out what you want it to do.
* my weather is 0 to 40 degrees, never with snow.
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jedijudy
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Dangit! My post got erased in the thread move!
![[Frown]](frown.gif) I'm sorry! ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) Bad timing seems to be another of my super powers.
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I used to cycle to work every day using a Giant - and liked the bike. It was a compromise road/mountain bike hybrid because:
- I live near a lot of off-road trails and don't have the space for four bikes (2 x 2)*;
- I was cycling the back lanes to and from work and the potholes on them weren't great. I was very grateful to be riding a hybrid a lot of the time;
- I used the off road trails to do other things at the weekend.
Used as I no longer work there and the bikes got stolen along with a number of others - the thieves cut the side wall off the shed.
* Road bike and mountain bike for me and my daughter at the time = 4 bikes in total.
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Now all you need is a 900cc engine and all will be well.
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Ariston
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I used a combination of bike and train to get to work (and back) for about 5 years. Actual distance on 2 wheels was limited (unless the trains were up the creek, in which case, rather more). The biggest lesson I learned was, unless you are going to ride off-road, fit the narrowest, highest-pressure tyres you can find for your machine. They will dramatically reduce the pedalling effort.
While thin, high-pressure, slick road tires will make you go faster, they'll also lead to a bit more harsh ride…and aren't the best for taking shortcuts through dirt. Not that this always stops me, mind you, just that it probably should.
A good compromise that most people I know who commute do is use 700x35* puncture resistant tires, rather than, say, 700x23 slick road/racing tires that match the color of your bike. There are a few good brands out there, most of which go for about $38 each over here and are an absolute pain in the ass to change…which is okay, since you're probably not going to be changing them for another 7,000 miles or so. I'm partial to Vittoria Randonneurs,** though Schwalbe Big Apples and Continental Gatorskins all have their partisans.
Also, though this may sound dumb, but you need to do it at least once: while out on a ride, find a place to pull over, deflate your tire, and change it. If you have someone with you, have them go off and get coffee or something—they can bail you out if things go wrong, but you need to do this by yourself.*** Changing a tire in a basement or bike shop where you are in control of the situation and can manage everything, including bad luck, is different than changing a tire on a roadside, in weather, without any of the tools, benches, or comfy chairs you've gotten used to. Even if you've changed dozens of tires before, you'll start drawing blanks the first time you have to change your own while riding.****
*Tire sizes are strange, but "700C" is the usual name for standard 622 mm diameter road wheels (used to be that, with a "C" sized tire, they were 700 mm across), while the second number indicates the distance from the inside of one wheel wall to the other. Of course, a 700x35 wheel doesn't always require a 700x35 tire—you can run a 700x40 tire if you'd like a bit more cush, albeit with more rolling resistance and slightly different handling. When in doubt, ask your Friendly Local Bike Mechanic—they've probably run every combination of wheel and tire, including the ones that Aren't Supposed to Work.
**Actually, I've had good luck with Vittoria tires in general, including the bargain basement Zafiro tires I run on my utility bike. After about 4,000 miles or so, I've only had two flats, both of which were caused as much by me being stupid on questionable roads as anything else.
***Also, you'll get coffee. Bonus!
****Especially if you still have the inner tubes that fit your old wheels, which no longer work on your new ones, and you didn't bother getting a patch kit because you'd never need one—after all, you carry a spare tube!
This is why I carry a patch kit and a spare tube: the tube's for my bike, the patch kit for everybody else's. Special bonus for being able to change any tire, anywhere: you can bail out other stranded cyclists, some of whom never learned how to change their own flats.
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Now all you need is a 900cc engine and all will be well.
Not sure about the exact capacity of my own twin piston engine, but 900cc's sounds like about enough beer to make it run.
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I have 700c-32s on my summer bike. I've been wondering if I'd notice much difference in ride with 35s or 38s. The roads here are a mess after an atrocious winter (potholes, cracks) and I do some brief trail which is dirt/gravel mix. The 35s for sure will fit with current fenders, 38s should, 40s would be too much I think. But really I'm looking at 35s, which can be had for $10 a piece in a current sale. The price makes me think an experiment might be worth it....
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I ride a bog standard gearless, or single gear, machine, very similar to this one, round a fairly flat area [river delta] but still a few small hills. I don't understand half of the technical discussion above but just know that cycling helps keep me a little bit fit, it gets me about town [crowded India market town 3 kms from our village] - and is FUN! We have puncture wallahs everywhere so no problems there. A step through [ladies?] bike of traditional pattern would cost about forty UKP [US$75?].
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Doublethink I hope you find a cycle to suit you. Mine, a Specialized Ariel has given me a lot of pleasure. It was apparently designed by a short woman for short women as she was fed up with bikes that were not comfortable for her (I'm 5ft). All I can say is that as far as I am concerned she got it right.
I always ride with a helmet as they are compulsory here, and I don't ride after dusk as the roads are still being fixed after the quakes and traffic tends to be a bit feral, which just isn't enjoyable.
I am holding on for the next 3 years when (fingers crossed) more cycleways will be built.
Happy cycling.
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I've got Crap Knees (technical term), so I use an electric bike. It's not a solution I recommend to all, because the weight of motor+battery is huge, so you need extra power to just move the machine along. However, it gets me going from a standing start - particularly useful in traffic - and it (mostly) gets me up hills. For all legal purposes, it's a pedal cycle, so you can take it and park it anywhere an ordinary bike can go.
I think most 'real' cyclists are a bit sniffy about electric bike, but it's been enormously liberating for me and, though it was expensive (£800, and that was a discount, eight years ago) roughly it's also saved me a huge amount of money.
Anyone have any experience/advice to offer about folding bikes (not necessarily electric)? I worry about the balance.
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I used to have a folding bike, it was quite stable once assembled. The problem was, it tended to bite me as it got folded and unfolded and occasionally if had assembled it wrong the saddle would drop like a dodgy office chair. Also although it folded small, it was fairly heavy for lugging on and off a bus.
Where you thinking of something like this.
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I am thinking of something like that, yes, when the old bike passes on - which may not be long, because apparently a new battery for it would cost almost as much as that bike you linked to. But what about that actual make (Coyote)? Do you know anyone who's used one?
I'm aware that electric bikes are of very variable quality. I was lucky to get good advice before buying mine - I think I would need to research very thoroughly before splashing out on a new one.
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The danger is that you will buy a bike, there will be something about it that you don't quite like, and you will just keep putting off getting it out of the garage or shed. It could be the looks, the saddle, a vague sense of not being in control when you sit on it, even the fear of it being stolen. Then it gets a flat tyre and it's never going to be worth sorting that out for one trip. A year goes past ..
So I would say you must be sure it's a bike it feels good to be out on. The more you ride, the more you will want to ride, the more you will think of riding, and the easier and more comfortable it will get. Buy the bike you're going to enjoy.
Hub gears are great because you just use them and never think about them. A chain guard is good if you might want to ride in trousers. Lights are necessary and hub dynamos mean you don't have to think about batteries. Panniers/basket/large saddlebag increase the reasons for cycling on any given trip. But all of these are heavy, and a light, stylish bike is fun, too.
A good LBS is a wonderful thing.
Remember that keen cyclists tend to end up with multiple bikes. In other words, however much you know about bikes and yourself, there really isn't one perfect bike out there for you. Whatever you finally go for will be a partial answer.
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Paging Rosamundi....
If I remember aright, when Rosamundi was looking, she fell in love with and bought a Pashley princess sovereign, and has ridden it a lot around the place. She's probably about the same sort of height as you are and will have had the same sort of concerns as you about saddles, so it might be worth contacting her for her thoughts.
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I am seriously considering one of those, Raleigh seem to do something very similar but slightly cheaper.
Hatless that is exactly my worry, and I think the less reasons I have not to use it the better. That is why hub type thingies are appealing.
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Said Pashley has its own Twitter account. Rosamundi wasn't on Zephirine (iirc) last time I saw her, but Yangtze was on her bike. Deputy Verger and daisymay are also London cyclists.
I liked Giant because I'm another titch ~ 5‘2" ~ and they do frames that I can ride comfortably. Probably the children's / teenage / women's ranges. But I'm not proud.
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The only thing I'd want to check about the Pashley is how much riding on hills you'll be doing, and how comfortable it is on them.
I had the loan of a Dutch Omafiets ("granny bike") twenty years or so ago, very similar design, and it was the most wonderfully comfortable bike I've ever ridden on the flat but very disconcerting on a hill as I felt as though I was going to fall off forwards/backwards depending on the direction of the gradient.
Good luck, though, cycling's great!
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If they did this in Europe I'd be seriously tempted - looks so comfy and a bit less twee than a pashley. I think it is the fat wheels.
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Those bikes are gorgeous.
I drive a 20 year old Minelli bike that I bought new from a discount bike shop. I've looked at the newer bikes, especially the ones with better seat posts and shocks but with this one, I don't worry about going into shops or leaving it to do anything inside for an extended period of time. My locks are good ones so my bike would be harder to steal and not very good for resale.
Having an older and less attractive bike means that I use it a lot more for transportation than for recreation.
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I've been doing a short commute for two years on a Fahrrad Manufaktur bike - a German make. It's very heavy. Apart from that, everything I can think of to say about it is good. Comfortable saddle, fat tyres, superbly made, good value (mine was Ebay, but full price is about £650). After two years it has needed new pedals and new brake blocks.
You can see pictures and comments on this page from one of the two British dealers I'm aware of.
The bike I really want is one of these.
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Originally posted by QLib:
Anyone have any experience/advice to offer about folding bikes (not necessarily electric)? I worry about the balance.
I ride a Brompton and find it very stable and easy to handle. Most Brompton dealers will let you take one out for a test ride and you can try out the different handlebar types and heights. They are pricy, but they really are fantastic machines.
I love my Brompton so much that when my first, beloved machine was nicked a few months ago I found myself laying out the cash for a new one more or less the next day. This one I simply do not let out of my sight. If an establishment won't let me carry it indoors, they don't get my business (hasn't happened yet).
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But on the other hand the too-cool-for-school indie bike shop I called into one day was simply uninterested in helping me. He wouldn't even recommend another nearby shop.
That's the bit that tells me I'm dealing with an arsehole.
Dangit! My post got erased in the thread move!
There are a lot of "pro shops" out there looking for a certain type of customer—usually athletic, almost always male (the horror stories I've heard about bike shops from women…), often over 50, looks like he really thinks you can't find a good road bike for under $3,000 and wants a really good one, probably has friends who bike and therefore has Joneses to keep up with. Speaking as a possible future member of their target demographic, stay the @#$% away from these places, even if you are one of the few people they'll actually talk to.
I'm only 45, a decade past my last marathon, and far too scruffy to look like I'll spend that kind of money - maybe that's why they don't like the look of me.
Or maybe it's because I point and laugh at the men's lycra...
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Thanks I was never sure how to work it out.
Various sites have told me that at 5ft 4in (optomistic measurement) I thould be looking at a small frame - which I guess is the 17 in wheels thing.
I know I could ask a bike shop this, but I have previous traumatising experiences after taking halfords advice.
17" would be a frame size, not a wheel size. Outside of children's bikes, wheel sizes are independent of frame sizes.
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Opinions on ballon tyres seem mixed, but presumably you can put them on any model of bike if you want to.
(Ta Karl)
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