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Crumbs, I'm tired.

Middle has scored a goal in each of his first 2 comeback soccer games. Biggest had a big win at AFL, while Little Miss's netball was called off.

We had friends over for dinner on Sat night, (during which I had a migraine), family lunch at in-laws today.

I am exhausted in a post-migraine way.

Two crowns at the dentist tomorrow am, interview with recruiter on Tuesday, day's work on Thursday. Mrs C's birthday Wednesday.

Still exhausted

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Spare a prayer for a number of parishes in the Diocese which are distinctly non-Diocesan in nature: St Mary's, Waverley; St Johns, Balmain; All Saints, Hunter's Hill, and St. Luke's, Enmore. All vacant (or soon to be), all having to find a suitable Rector.

St Mary's has already been told that the Diocese will not be willing to consider an import given that there are over 200 men in the Diocese who are waiting for preferment. The parish has accepted that its considerable Catholic tradition will change - they just hope that they won't have to endure what another parish went through - went from being a MOTR stole parish to a minister wearing a suit for worship.

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It will indeed be interesting to see what happens to those Parishes, I hadn't realised all of those were soon to be vacant. The refusal to consider those outside the Diocese is understandable on a number of fronts but in the long term it's a bad strategy for any church to be so insular and monotone.

[Votive] God has it all in hand, prayers for the Parishioners particularly those seeking a place to worship/exercise their ministry that doesn't condemn them before they even walk in the door.

Do you know if St Mary's and St John's have right of nomination?

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Yes, Evangeline - as far as I know, all four do (St Mary's and St John's most certainly do)

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What happened at St Marks was very unfortunate, to put it mildly but decently. AIUI, a major problem was that there was no nomination within time.

The nominators at the various churches you mention should look at other parishes in the diocese and learn the lessons.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
What happened at St Marks was very unfortunate, to put it mildly but decently. AIUI, a major problem was that there was no nomination within time.

The nominators at the various churches you mention should look at other parishes in the diocese and learn the lessons.

Gee D, not 100% sure which St Mark's you are referring to here - if the one in the Western Suburbs near Parramatta, nominations were made but not accepted; if another one, have no information to add.

BUT I agree totally, that nominators of all non-Diocesan style parishes need to be on their toes and be prepared, and ready to asset and push their area bishops. +Robert has been very supportive of those in his area, I have been told.

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August 10 has been designated "Lamentation Sunday" in our diocese - would you like to put in an order?

[Big Grin]

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No, I was referring to Sth Hurstville. I'm not sure what happened at Granville - no stories going around.

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quote:
Originally posted by Banner Lady:
August 10 has been designated "Lamentation Sunday" in our diocese - would you like to put in an order?

[Big Grin]

Sorry BL. I read this quickly and saw bit about putting in an order. It made me have another look in case I had read "lamington."

EL's post made me think of Granville but I also investigated the St Mark's where I grew up, at Kissing Point Road, not all that far from Parramatta. Not much there, it has changed little in practically every way apart from some shelter for the bridal cars as it's now known as a picturesque setting for weddings. Theology seems unchanged.

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I don't think it's too long before Canberra and Goulburn will be refusing to look at anyone outside the Diocese; by which I mean the Sydney Diocese [Frown]

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Thank you, Christchurch, for turning on a mild day for me. The Dean of Christchurch was laid to rest, tragically aged only 40, with wonderful sensitivity and glorious resurrection-promise.

May she Rest in Peace and Rise in Glory.

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When I read about Dean Patterson's death on FB, it was from friends in the Church of Ireland (hence my mistaken assumption that they were talking about Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin); I hadn't realised that she came from Northern Ireland and is going to be buried in Dromore, in Co. Down.

RIP. [Votive]

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quote:
Originally posted by Vulpior:
I don't think it's too long before Canberra and Goulburn will be refusing to look at anyone outside the Diocese; by which I mean the Sydney Diocese [Frown]

Really?? How did that happen? With you ordaining women and all, not to mention that unfortunate legal business I thought the tone of Canberra Diocese was decidedly anti-Sydney?
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Given the pedigree of the new director of the National Theology College here, I think the door is quite open towards the evangelical end of the spectrum in this part of the world.

I expect it's all a lot of breast beating for little reason as the landscape of how people want to be church changes. There will be quaint little steepled places dotted about, happily providing "historical" liturgical services for like minded parishioners, and more and more contemporary enclaves of Christians doing church related stuff in weird and wonderful ways.

As long as it honours God, should we care so much? On my list of how important is this in the eternal scheme of things it doesn't even make it on to the bottom rung. Change happens.

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It is a good thing, indeed if the door remains open to all people honouring God and for communities to do church-related stuff in weird and wonderful ways. Long may it continue, I believe's it's the perceived or potential closing of the door to people who may deviate from the conservative, hierachical complementarian, evangelical approach favoured by Sydney that worries many.

The fewer "imports" there are the narrower the door becomes and the more self-reinforcing a particularly narrow definition of what it is to be a Christian becomes. In the long term I don't see that as something that strengthens the Kingdom, it's a bit like diminishing genetic diversity. Grow only one type of grape and if a blight comes, there will be no grapes at all, but f you have a variety, some will withstand whatever the particular blight is.

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I see a corresponding situation in our Presbyterian culture, in an instruction from a General Assembly not so long ago that parishes should not call a minister from overseas or from another denomination. I don't think it's a sinister move, but rather an invitation to 'use' our own exit students rather than have them trained with nowhere to go. And congregations will call whom they want to anyway. But some of the most inspiring clergy around here in Presbyterian/Methodist parishes have been Methodists or Baptists; one much-loved pastor was a Salvation Army man – two elders were ordained to administer communion in his case. There have been successful choices from overseas, too.
There's nothing like a bit of new inspiration...
(Isn't there an Anglican Dean who's an ordained Baptist minister?)

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I'm not worried about the traditional/modern spectrum, nor do I fear that we will become a mirror of Sydney with its complementarian views. But I do fear a push from on high to mould the diocese into a far more homogeneous style of church, which the bishop terms "open evangelical".

I think that could leave liberal and catholic places being far more enclaves that the parishioners feel they are defending, rather than simply one part of a broad spectrum.

I'm aware that leaders in those places try to discourage a siege mentality, but I'm not sure how successful they are. I suppose I'm a bit raw from a pointy encounter with the pointy hat, and won't be satisfied until there's change at the top.

But, as an Anglo-Papist school friend used to say, we'll go on worshipping God: you in your way, and me in his. [Devil]

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Happy Birthday to Rowen today - hope you haven't been blown away overnight by the fierce winds. We are getting a taste of the cold front today and those arctic winds are bitey. I wouldn't be surprised to hear its been snowing down your way.

Hopefully you'll get some time to celebrate in between being called to emergencies...

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Happy birthday, Rowen! [Smile]

I'd better not tell you what the temperature was here today - it would just spoil your day.

Hope you've had a good one!

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quote:
I think that could leave liberal and catholic places being far more enclaves that the parishioners feel they are defending, rather than simply one part of a broad spectrum.

I'm aware that leaders in those places try to discourage a siege mentality, but I'm not sure how successful they are.

Indeed, I've seen this happen too. The long-term effects can be a bit like those of chronic stress on an individual, sinister bias, depression, joylessness and isolation.
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Folk, I am having a good birthday. Breakfast with friends. Cold.
Funeral in church. Cold. Cemetary. Bloody freezing. Drive to friends' farm for night. Cold.

Did I mention it is a tad chilly?

But I am happy!

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Best wishes from us as well Rowen.

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Yesterday it reached 21c here. That's the nor'west wind - always welcome in winter, but a bit much in summer. It's 8pm here and I have doors and windows open and it's not too chilly (overcooked some sausages and need to air the place out).

I have just found out that the general election is on September 20 - I knew it was coming up of course, but hadn't realised it was so soon. I aways vote - on the principle that if you don't vote you can't complain, but sometimes I feel more tempted by the slogan "Don't vote, it only encourages them."

Given that, as I understand it, voting is compulsory in Australia do you get more 'spoiled' votes as a kind of protest?

Huia

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21 is only 70 here: surfing in San Diego last month, the second day it was that warm in the ocean and a wee bit warmer in the air: it was the first time since I were a lad that I remember not needing a full wetsuit!

Also, it was the first time I wore my wedding ring in the surf since I was young: It was an act of providence that I did not lose the real white gold one the first day. I looked down at my ring finger and it was still there! I usually wear only one ring, a silver and turquoise number which was less than 4% of the value of the real one my wife bought me! We have been married more than 36 years. I usually wear it to avoid surf bunnies who try to pick me up, thinking that just because I am old, I am wealthy. ( I am not! ) If they have the nerve to introduce themselves, I just tell them "Call me Vinnie" which is a normally unused corruption of my real name, without the pantomime KBE!

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quote:
Originally posted by Huia:
Given that, as I understand it, voting is compulsory in Australia do you get more 'spoiled' votes as a kind of protest?

Huia

Not sure how he figures line up against the free world [Biased]

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quote:
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Happy birthday, Rowen! [Smile]


I echo young Piglet's remarks!

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Actually Huia, the voting is not compulsory. What you do have to do is have your name marked off voting roll. What you do after that is up to you. Vote, go home, put blank paper in ballot box, draw all over your voting paper, thus making it informal. Whatever.

I believe it is a worthwhile thing to vote. I always have, bar two occasions. One was when I was at home with pneumonia. I explained I worked for myself and had no medical certificates to say I was ill, but gave name and address of my doctor. The other was the day after I moved here. The previous night I had dropped part of bed frame on my foot and broken three toes. There was no way of getting to any booth.. That one was never followed up at all.

Fine here is $50 as far as I know.

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That's horrible! At age 18 I was a Field Deputy Registrar for the County of Los Angeles: I had been voting 'declines to state' for several years but I then registered for one of the two major parties for marital harmony and to participate in primaries. I hope to go back to that!

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Yes. Happy Birthday Rowen.

The AEC states that voting is compulsory. I had assumed that intentionally making an informal vote is not legal, but the secret ballot meant it would not be possible to prove it.

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quote:
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Yes. Happy Birthday Rowen.

The AEC states that voting is compulsory. I had assumed that intentionally making an informal vote is not legal, but the secret ballot meant it would not be possible to prove it.

I'm not a lawyer, I'm sure Orfeo will be along shortly.....but I'm almost certain that there is no compulsion to vote only to attend a polling station on voting day and certainly there is no illegality to deliberately casting an informal vote.
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Ah, now I understand. When I read Zappa's link I was wondering what they meant by "informal votes"* - they're what we'd call "spoilt ballots".

I've never lived anywhere where you have to vote, but I'm of the "if you don't vote you can't complain" school of thought.

Which is of little consequence, as until we get Canadian citizenship (hopefully in a couple of years) we can't vote anyway ... [Roll Eyes]

* I was imagining people sitting in a bar, saying, "What about Charlie for Prime Minister?"

"Yeah, he'll do!" [Big Grin]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Latchkey Kid:
Yes. Happy Birthday Rowen.

The AEC states that voting is compulsory. I had assumed that intentionally making an informal vote is not legal, but the secret ballot meant it would not be possible to prove it.

I'm not a lawyer, I'm sure Orfeo will be along shortly.....but I'm almost certain that there is no compulsion to vote only to attend a polling station on voting day and certainly there is no illegality to deliberately casting an informal vote.
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Having worked in the local electoral office, I can say it is correct that all you have to do is mark your name off the roll, collect your ballot paper(s) and then put the paper(s) in the ballot boxes whether you have marked them or not. This way you will avoid a fine, and will have done your duty as a citizen in a country where voting is mandatory. The only way to get out of it is to have medical certificates or not be in the country. (A quick trip to Norfolk Island perhaps?)

The most frustrating thing for those who have to account for every ballot paper issued is discovering they've been ripped up and left in the booths, or put in the garbage with party fliers. So please at least put the papers in the allocated boxes.

The best thing about counting informal votes is that some of them are hilarious, and after a weary day I loved being told to doublecheck the 'donkey' pile. Where every candidate has been crossed out and replaced with superheroes, or vampire names, or swear words. Or someone has written in copperplate writing "As I have not been formally introduced to any of these people I am disinclined to endorse any of them, yours sincerely etc."

The worst ones are the ones covered in abusive diatribes.

The easiest way to create an informal vote (while looking like you are actually voting) is to put two number ones or two ticks or two crosses on the ballot. This shows no clear preference, so must be automatically discounted. And the absolute worst thing is having to unfold ballot papers that have been folded way too many times. If you must fold them, please only do it once. The poor casual staffers having to deal with the mountains of papers will be grateful.

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quote:
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I see a corresponding situation in our Presbyterian culture, in an instruction from a General Assembly not so long ago that parishes should not call a minister from overseas or from another denomination. I don't think it's a sinister move, ...
(Isn't there an Anglican Dean who's an ordained Baptist minister?)

GG

Hi GG, yes Dean Steve from Sale in Victoria. We are meeting together at the moment at the Australian Dean's Conference in Griffith NSW. Thanks to all who gave me wonderful suggestions about things to do in Griffith (I am impressed with the town and its hospitality!). But it is a tad cold [Eek!]

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INVITATION

The annual Feast of Title (i.e. Patronal Festival) of The Anglican Communities of Our Lady is on next Sunday, 10th August. A Solemn High Mass, with the choir of St. Alban's, Epping assisting, will commence at 2pm. We have an afternoon service in order to give people the opportunity of being at their own parish church in the morning.

The service is taking place at the Church of the Good Shepherd, 37 East Street, Granville. The Church is very conveniently located for both car (a large public carpark is 2 minutes walk away) and public transport, being only a 5 minute walk from Granville Railway Station. Following the service there will be a sparkling wine afternoon tea (along with tea and plunger coffee).

The Rt. Revd. John McIntyre had accepted our invitation to be the celebrant and preacher: rather than invite anyone else we have decided to stay 'in-house' this year - though the preacher is one of the best preachers I have ever heard in over 25 years of ministry.

If you can possibly come along and join in a wonderful time of worship and thanksgiving - since commencing in 2011 we have now grown to 5 communities, with a further 2 communities already planned for by the same time next year.

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Thank you Emli. I shall be driving to Canberra for a few days work, but Madame may very well drop down.

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That would be great, GeeD - please ensure that if she comes that she makes herself known and that she (and any other Shippy family)will be given a very warm welcome - I'm deacon of the mass so won't be too hard to spot! [Smile]

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MM will be exerting himself mightily today in the musical underpinning of the centennial celebrations of The Church With The Pond. A little bit of Water Music perhaps?

As I am nursing TP through a serious bout of man 'flu, and feeling decidedly off colour myself, I am not attending. But I expect there were many trumpets and much beautiful songstering.

TP has Mozart's Requiem Mass on at full volume in the house at the moment, and I cannot help but feel this is rather appropriate too. [Razz]

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Just had another aftershock. Haven't felt one for months, but they will keep coming for years. It was probably around mag 3, which isn't very big , but everything rattled, including me.

[Votive] for Christchurch

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And [Votive] [Votive] [Votive] for China, where they had a 6.1

Huia [Waterworks]

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Yes, I remember reading - perhaps in one of your posts? - that every now and then there was an aftershock from a quake 40 years ago.Very nasty for you to get one of that strength after a period of quiet.

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[Votive] Huia and everyone else in Christchurch.

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[Votive]
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quote:
Originally posted by DangerousDeacon:
We are meeting together at the moment at the Australian Dean's Conference in Griffith NSW.

Deanly greetings from across the ditch ... we may be joining you next year

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Galloping Granny:

(Isn't there an Anglican Dean who's an ordained Baptist minister?)

GG

Hi GG, yes Dean Steve from Sale in Victoria....
Though GG may be thinking of the Dean of Wellington, Digby Wilkinson

[ 04. August 2014, 07:46: Message edited by: Zappa ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
quote:
Originally posted by DangerousDeacon:
quote:
Originally posted by Galloping Granny:

(Isn't there an Anglican Dean who's an ordained Baptist minister?)

GG

Hi GG, yes Dean Steve from Sale in Victoria....
Though GG may be thinking of the Dean of Wellington, Digby Wilkinson
That's right – I thought it was someone closer to home.

GG

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quote:
Originally posted by Zappa:
quote:
Originally posted by DangerousDeacon:
We are meeting together at the moment at the Australian Dean's Conference in Griffith NSW.

Deanly greetings from across the ditch ... we may be joining you next year
And hello to Zappa, from Sydney airport en route to home in Darwin and away from the cold. [Big Grin] It would be great to see you next year - we are meeting in Adelaide, from the evening of Thu 30 July to the morning of Tue 4 Aug 2015.

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Got back at the weekend from a holiday in the warmth of SE Qld. But in Canberra so far this week the temperatures have shown their usual wide day-night range. Yesterday , for example it was -6 overnight, which left a heavy frost. But (unlike my memories of winter in England!) the mountain air is clear, and the daytime is sunny, so quite pleasant after about 10am. Max temp was +13.

As usual for Canberra in winter it is quire pleasant (and cheerful) so long as you are in the sun and out of the wind. (Actually not usually much wind in winter; that comes more in spring-time).

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It has been cold for where i am, down to 2-3 in the early morning. That's cold here, close to the river and not far from the harbour. Did once see it just over zero only a few streets from here, but that's some years ago.

Miss M is still struggling with this last big bout of chemo. Feels sick, has reactions to the steroids she is also on, is doped up with codeine based painkillers for the joint pain they give her.

Hopefully this will be over in about ten days and she will go onto a maintenance dose for a long time. Lots of continuing tests. She wants the central line gone by her birthday in late September. It has been there since January 2.

She went to school half a day last week. Hopefully this will pick up soon too.

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Thanks so much for the update, Loth - is good to keep our congregation informed as to developments so as to focus all of our prayers!

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